Does God need my permission to save me?

Thanks.

South Bound said:

I like it when people call Jesus "Yeshua" as if it makes them sound super spiritual. Kind of like when Obama says Spanish words with a fake Spanish accent.

But in answer to your question, no I don't doubt what Jesus says at all. Jesus says we are saved by repentance and faith, not by baptism, which is a response to salvation, not a means of salvation.

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1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Titus 3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

bottomofsandal said:

A TV preacher said this in a sermon.

What did he mean and why did he say this?

Is there any Biblical passages that corroborate?

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It would not be Godly type Love on God's part to force you to accept His Love (this would be like a shotgun wedding with God holding the shotgun), so it is not your permission He needs, but you must quit rejecting His offer.

Thursday said:

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

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This verse says that baptism corresponds, meaning baptism is not the thing, but is a placeholder for something similar. In this verse baptism corresponds to an appeal to God for a good conscience. Hydrogen and oxygen atoms are not necessary to appeal to God.

Thursday said:

Titus 3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

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This verse says God saved us, not by the righteous deeds (like baptism) that we have done. It was through his mercy and being born again by the Holy Spirit. A lack of water doesn't stop the Holy Spirit.

Thursday said:

Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

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Who has had their physical heart sprinkled with water? This verse connects the sprinkling as a metaphor to a sincere heart. The body being washed with pure water is also connected by this verse as a metaphor to full assurance of faith.

It is not the dunking of the physical body that makes a person clean, it is something that must be done inside us.

What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ ” (Matthew 15:11, 1984 NIV)

There is something inside us that changes when we express our faith. James refers to it in 2:22, calling it completing our faith. But it doesn't mean we aren't saved if we don't get baptized—as the verse after it confirms. The thief on the cross was saved without a water baptism.

bottomofsandal said:

A TV preacher said this in a sermon.

What did he mean and why did he say this?

Is there any Biblical passages that corroborate?

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Does God need a man's permission to resurrect him from the dead? No.

pdudgeon said:

nope, He doesn't. Salvation is open to everyone (save Judas).
but not everyone agrees to be saved. and that's the rub.

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Judas was saved and belonged to jesus as one of HIS disciples at one time until he fell by transgression and was lost and had his name blotted out of the book of the living and no longer written with the righteous.
Judas was given power to cast out devils and heal the sick, and preach. Jesus sent Judas and the 11 to go to the LOST sheep and said he sent them as sheep. So they were not lost at that time.

Thursday said:

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,.

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An honest person would have posted the whole thing. It's the appeal to God for a good conscious through the resurrection of Christ that saves, not water.

Titus 3:5
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

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Nothing to do with baptism.

Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

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Nothing to do with baptism.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

It means *he wants your money (and everyone else's money too)
and
wants you to listen to *him to find out how you can give permission to 'god' to save you, then give *him more money.

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Have you considered a career as a writer
of inspirational books on optimism and joy
and positive mental outlook?



Arsenios

bottomofsandal said:

A TV preacher said this in a sermon.

What did he mean and why did he say this?

Is there any Biblical passages that corroborate?

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God allows us the freedom to say "no" because he wants us to freely say "yes". He'll draw and aid us, but will never violate or force or overwhelm our wills, all at His discretion, by His wisdom

If permission is of free will, then yes, He needs 'permission'.

John 5:40
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

Anyone not willing to 'come' to Jesus that they may have life, are certainly not giving Him 'permission'.

Thursday said:

2 Chron 15:2
so he went out to meet Asa and rebuked him: "Listen to me, Asa, Judah, and Benjamin! The LORD is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will allow you to find him, but if you abandon him, he will abandon you.

2 Tim 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

Matt 10:33
But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.

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Kinda puts a damper on OSAS, doesn't it? Good stuff.

Yes, I would say in a very real sense, God needs our permission.

Had he wanted it otherwise, he'd a made us as a robot. Free will demands he needs our permission, he simply will not do it without us accepting it on our own accord.

As to the preacher wanting the op's money, if you want my opinion, maybe, but with no more evidence than we have, I'd say you're jumping the gun a bit, Jeff.

bottomofsandal said:

A TV preacher said this in a sermon.

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The preacher said God NEEDS your permission to save you??

What did he mean and why did he say this?

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He meant that God is needy...
And that we satisfy God's need...
When we give Him permission to save us...

Is there any Biblical passages that corroborate?

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None whatsoever...

The truth is that He will give us all life everlasting...
Whether we want it or not...
For some it will be heaven...
For others, it will be hell...

But then, Salvation is not life everlasting...
It is union with God in this life on earth...
It is here and now...
It is entry here and now in an earnest...
Into the eternal Joy of the Age to come...

That Joy comes through co-suffering with Christ's sufferings...
It is not a joy that is of this world...
But is contrary to this fallen world...

Arsenios

bottomofsandal said:

A TV preacher said this in a sermon.

What did he mean and why did he say this?

Is there any Biblical passages that corroborate?

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There is a vast difference between NEEDING permission and DESIRING consent...

The consent that God desires of us is FOR our sake...

The Blessed Virgin did not conceive Christ until AFTER She had given Her consent...

And ONLY THEN did She become the Mother of God Incarnate...

Arsenios

bottomofsandal said:

A TV preacher said this in a sermon.

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God does not seek any man's *permission* for any reason. Conversely only those who obey the Gospel as saved. All men are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel.

Arsenios said:

But then, Salvation is not life everlasting...

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That statement directly contradicts the Bible. And the Bible is the Word of God.

Job8 said:

God does not seek any man's *permission* for any reason. Conversely only those who obey the Gospel as saved. All men are commanded to repent and believe the Gospel.

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And when we repent/believe we allow him to save us, otherwise he will not.

It's not about seeking permission. Had God wanted to he could have forced us to act right and end up being saved, but he did not.
We are allowed to accept his offer or not, and by doing, so we essentially give him permission.

That doesn't show weakness, as in him seeking permission. It shows love and fairness, and proves he is a good God.

The vietnam refugees waiting on the roof(or chopper landing location(s) ) to get on one of the rescue choppers
WILLINGLY GOT ON THE CHOPPER when it was there,

they could have instead of getting on the chopper
jumped off the roof to their own death or just walked away.

They gave the chopper "permission" to save them ! ?
They (who were able to get on the chopper) just had to be willing to get on, and they were saved.
The ones who could not get on, were not saved.
The ones who could not get on, who were not saved,
DESPERATELY WANTED TO BE SAVED,
and GAVE THE CHOPPER PERMISSION TO SAVE THEM - BUT WERE NOT PERMITTED ON ANYWAY, and WERE NOT SAVED ANYWAY,
even
though
they gave
PERMISSION
("to ANY chopper" !!!)
definitely they GAVE PERMISSION to the CHOPPER TO SAVE THEM,
and that still did NOT RESULT IN THEM BEING SAVED !

ironic ?
Realistic.

Job8 said:

That statement directly contradicts the Bible. And the Bible is the Word of God.

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It needs to be understood aright...
Eternal Life is a qualitative state of existence...
Life in Union with God...
The condemned will have endless existence...
Suffering eternally...

The Word of God is Christ...
Not the Bible...
The Bible says so...

Lest anyone worship the Holy Book of God...

Arsenios

Arsenios said:

The Word of God is Christ...
Not the Bible...

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Another contradiction of Scripture. BOTH Christ and the written Scriptures are called the Word of God.

Job8 said:

Another contradiction of Scripture. BOTH Christ and the written Scriptures are called the Word of God.

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Do you WORSHIP God's Word?

I do...

Arsenios