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1 John 5:7 there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one....

It is like this... I am a mind, body, spirit. I AM, my word is the verbage of my mind, and in the spirit of my attitude do I live,... and all these still make me one being.

We are made in the image of God. We all have the same makeup as God having three aspects that make us ... well US.
 
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Yahweh spoke the necessary words to fertilize Miriam's egg with the exact DNA needed to produce a male human being.
How do you think Yeshua came to be? Was he a spirit being that was miniaturized and put in Miriam's womb?
I John 4:9 says, "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." Yeshua was the only begotten Son BEFORE He was sent into the world. He did not become the only begotten Son at His incarnation.
 
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In John 10:36, our Saviour asks, “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

As the Son of God He appeared in the fiery furnace along with the three Hebrew believers in the days of Daniel. In Daniel 3:25 king Nebuchadnezzar says: "Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." Some object to the phrase "like the Son of God", and tell us this was not the Son.

We see a similar phrase used in Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one LIKE the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven..." and in Revelation 1:13 where the apostle John is shown a vision of the ascended and glorified Lord of glory, and he says: "And being turned I saw...in the midst of the seven candlesticks one LIKE UNTO the Son of man."

As Yeshua pointed out
John14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
 
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Bible clearly teaches that it was “the Son” who created all things.

John 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.…

Rev 4:11 "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

Is 40:26 Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one and calls forth each of them by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Jer 10:16 He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these, for He is the Maker of all things, including Israel, the people of his inheritance-- the LORD Almighty is his name.

Neh 9:6 You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
 
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Let me add to that thought.

In Colossians 1:12 - 17 we read: "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear SON: In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by Him (the Son) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him: And He (the Son) is before all things, and by Him all things consist."
 
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Again in Hebrews 1:1-2 we read: "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His SON, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom (the Son) also He made the worlds..."
 
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Yahweh spoke the necessary words to fertilize Miriam's egg with the exact DNA needed to produce a male human being.
How do you think Yeshua came to be? Was he a spirit being that was miniaturized and put in Miriam's womb?
It was by the Son of God that all things were created; thus He was the Son of God before His incarnation.

Think of it this way...
God's mind [Father]
God's body [Son]
God's Spirit [Holy Spirit]

Still one God
 
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Now I am not God, that I can send me body to be somewhere, while I remain.... but it is not outside of God'd realm.

Notice carefully what the Lord says in John 16:28. "I am COME FORTH FROM THE FATHER, and am come into the world; again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." He first "came forth from the Father" and then He came into the world. God was His Father BEFORE He came into this world. Then in John 17:5 the Lord again says: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee (the Father) BEFORE THE WORLD WAS."
 
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Romans 1:1-3 tell us of the gospel of God, which he promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was MADE of the seed of David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH."

This shows the incarnation of the eternal Son of God as a man to become our kinsman redeemer, but He was the Son of God before His incarnation.
 
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In Luke 1:31-35 you have the angel Gabriel sent to the virgin Mary with these words: "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and SHALL BE CALLED the Son of the Highest:

[Notice it does not say "He shall BECOME the Son of the Highest]

and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of HIS FATHER DAVID.

[David was His father only in the human sense, not in regard to His eternal Sonship]

....The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore that holy thing which shall be born of thee SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God."

Again, the text does not says "shall BECOME the Son of God", but "shall be called the Son of God."
 
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"The Word of God" = the Scriptures
"The Deity of YHWH" = the Deity of the Father​

So, yes, I agree that The Word of God Confirms The Deity of YHWH
So, you do agree that the Deity of YHWH (The Word) became flesh ...​

John 1:1, 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(YHWH), and the Word was GOD(YHWH);
14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten of a Father, full of grace and truth.​

The Word(inspired scripture) that you find most conflicting is John 14:9 ...

Yeshua replied to him, “Have I been with you so long without your knowing me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Another scripture that may seem conflicting to some is Mark 10:18 ...

17 As He was starting on His way, a man ran up, kneeled down in front of him and asked, “Good rabbi, what should I do to obtain eternal life?"
18 Yeshua said to him, “Why are you calling me good? No one is good except GOD(YHWH)!

Yet, we know Yeshua was as good as good can be ... so why is He saying that "no one is good except God(YHWH)."

Ahhhh ... so then Yeshua/Immanuel is GOD(YHWH) in the flesh
(the Father and Son are One = monotheism)
Matthew 8:4
Then Yeshua said to him, “See that you tell no one; but as a testimony to the people, go and let the cohen examine you, and offer the sacrifice that Moshe commanded.”
Mark 7:36
And He charged them that they should tell no man: but the more He charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;​
Mark 9:9
As they came down the mountain, Yeshua warned them not to tell anyone what they had seen until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
 
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In Acts 20:28 we read of Paul exhorting the elders to “feed the church of God, which HE hath purchased WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.”
God does not have blood. He is spirit. The American Bible Society and the Institute For New Testament Research in Germany (which produces the Nestle-Aland Greek text) agree that the manuscript evidence supports the reading tou haimatios tou idiou, literally, the blood of His own (Son), and not idiou haimatios, “his own blood.” God paid for our salvation with the blood of His own Son.

Also, the text note at the bottom of the trinitarian NIV Study Bible reads: “his own blood. Lit. ‘the blood of his own one,’ a term of endearment (such as ‘his own dear one’) referring to His own Son.”

Even if the phrase "his own blood" was correct, it would be understood in the same way that a father would say of his son, "he is my own flesh and blood."
 
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In Luke 1:31-35 you have the angel Gabriel sent to the virgin Mary with these words: "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and SHALL BE CALLED the Son of the Highest:

[Notice it does not say "He shall BECOME the Son of the Highest]

and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of HIS FATHER DAVID.

[David was His father only in the human sense, not in regard to His eternal Sonship]

....The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore that holy thing which shall be born of thee SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God."

Again, the text does not says "shall BECOME the Son of God", but "shall be called the Son of God."
You missed the obvious.

Who is the "highest"? Father YHWH. He has no equal, not even His Son.
Who is "the Lord God"? YHWH Elohim (Yeshua's Father). He gave him his father David's throne. David was a man. His son must also be a man, not God.
"therefore that holy thing which shall be born of thee SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God." Will he be called "God"? No. He will be called the "SON" of God.

Also, consider Romans 1:3:

Concerning his Son Yeshua Messiah our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
"Made" is the Greek word ginomai meaning:

to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.):​

Yeshua came into being (came to exist, became).
 
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So, you do agree that the Deity of YHWH (The Word) became flesh ...​
You really need to stop twisting my words. I never said such a thing.

The Word(inspired scripture) that you find most conflicting is John 14:9 ...

Yeshua replied to him, “Have I been with you so long without your knowing me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

I have no conflict with this verse. You do because in a previous post you said something like, "No one posting here believes Yeshua is the Father." Why, then, are you posting this verse? To teach me Yeshua is the Father?

Another scripture that may seem conflicting to some is Mark 10:18 ...

17 As He was starting on His way, a man ran up, kneeled down in front of him and asked, “Good rabbi, what should I do to obtain eternal life?"
18 Yeshua said to him, “Why are you calling me good? No one is good except GOD(YHWH)!

Yet, we know Yeshua was as good as good can be ... so why is He saying that "no one is good except God(YHWH)."

Ahhhh ... so then Yeshua/Immanuel is GOD(YHWH) in the flesh
(the Father and Son are One = monotheism)
In verse 18, Yeshua is virtually denying that he is God by questioning the man as to why he called him good. Compared to the highest being in the universe, no one is good, but compared to other men, Yeshua was good. Yeshua knew that which is why he humbled himself and wouldn't dare compare his goodness with YHWH's.
 
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1 John 5:7 there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one....

It is like this... I am a mind, body, spirit. I AM, my word is the verbage of my mind, and in the spirit of my attitude do I live,... and all these still make me one being.

We are made in the image of God. We all have the same makeup as God having three aspects that make us ... well US.
The note in the NIV Study Bible, a highly trinitarian version says, “The addition is not found in any Greek manuscript or NT translation prior to the 16th century.”

The Greek scholar A. T. Robertson, wrote:

At this point [1 John 5:7] the Latin Vulgate gives the words in the Textus Receptus, found in no Greek MS. save two late cursives (162 in the Vatican Library of the fifteenth century, [No.] 34 of the sixteenth century in Trinity College, Dublin). Jerome did not have it. Erasmus did not have it in his first edition, but rashly offered to insert it if a single Greek MS. had it, and 34 was produced with the insertion, as if made to order. Some Latin scribe caught up Cyprian’s exegesis and wrote it on the margin of his text, and so it got into the Vulgate and finally into the Textus Receptus by the stupidity of Erasmus.”​
 
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I John 4:9 says, "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." Yeshua was the only begotten Son BEFORE He was sent into the world. He did not become the only begotten Son at His incarnation.
John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.​

I guess that means Yeshua's disciples preexisted BEFORE they were sent into the world.
 
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Uh yeah, THAT is so much better...heresy either way

The narrow path is not a broad path, and therefore the narrow path is necessarily a "heresy" as judged by those who walk on the broad path.

Paul refers to the Way as such, and so it must be still today.
Were it a broad path then it would not be so, but it is a narrow path.
 
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In John 10:36, our Saviour asks, “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

As the Son of God He appeared in the fiery furnace along with the three Hebrew believers in the days of Daniel. In Daniel 3:25 king Nebuchadnezzar says: "Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God." Some object to the phrase "like the Son of God", and tell us this was not the Son.
False assumption. The Hebrew does not say, "like the Son of God". It translates as, “a son of the gods,” as the ASV, NASB and NIV have it. There is no definite article in the Hebrew and the word elahin is plural. This pagan king would have absolutely no knowledge of what "the Son of God" would look like if he existed at that time. Nor would he even know he existed. He would, however, believe in many false gods and would speak of the appearance of a supernatural person as “a son of the gods.”

As Yeshua pointed out
John14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Did you quote this to show Yeshua is our Heavenly Father?
 
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Bible clearly teaches that it was “the Son” who created all things.

John 1:2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.…

Rev 4:11 "You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

Is 40:26 Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one and calls forth each of them by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Jer 10:16 He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these, for He is the Maker of all things, including Israel, the people of his inheritance-- the LORD Almighty is his name.

Neh 9:6 You alone are the LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
It is both amazing and sad that you just pluck verses out of the Bible that refer to Father YHWH (Rev 4:11; Isa 40:26; Jer 10:16; Neh 9:6) and apply them to the Son.
 
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