Since John the Baptist came from the family of priests, wouldn't it be normal for his ordination to occur at 30. Something I am sure he was raised to be since birth.
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Why was John BEHEADED?
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What connection is there between Yochanan and the Essenes?
And what connection is there between the Essenes and priesthood?
I don't think anyone thinks he was baptized for repentance. Nor do I see what baptism has to do with priesthood. The rite for making someone a priest is a complex procedure that involves sacrificing animals, the priest(s)-to-be shaving off all the hair on the body, marking one's earlobes, thumbs and big toes with blood, etc.
See Leviticus 8 for the full account. It mentions "washing with water" but that is not the same as immersion, and there is so much more to it.
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It is thought by a minority that Zak and Elizabeth both being elderly when John was born would have died shortly afterwards and that John was raised with the Essences. They had their own idea which can be seen in the DDS of what a proper priesthood should be which is why they weren't in Jerusalem. Many Essences were of the true priesthood. As far as the repentance things, yeah, many do think that because they think 1. Baptism is Christian and 2. There is only two kinds, one of water and one of the Spirit. They don't realize that the mikvah was used for all kinds of things. One being the change of life from one to another. That is what Yeshua was doing, going from a carpenters son to the most famous Rabbi in the world.
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Well I have never heard anyone say Yeshua was baptized to repent for anything. Christians believe he was without sin (and I agree with them on this). Christians generally practice (adult) baptism when a convert joins a congregation, hence it forms their rite of passage into that community. Child baptism has the same function, even though it is not a conscious choice.
As for the true priesthood and how a person is ordained (no quotation marks) to it, that is laid out in exquisite detail in Leviticus 8. This is a book that in Latin is named for the Levites due to its great focus on issues relating to the Levites.
"It is thought by a minority that Zak and Elizabeth both being elderly when John was born would have died shortly afterwards and that John was raised with the Essenes" Could be, but I don't see a reason to believe that.
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The idealization of Essenes in modern MJ makes less and less sense to me, the more I read their writings.
They were deeply unorthodox and at odds with the Pharisees, whose theology Yeshua praised. "Whatever they tell you, do." He never said that about Essenes.
They were deeply unorthodox and at odds with the Pharisees, whose theology Yeshua praised. "Whatever they tell you, do." He never said that about Essenes.
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Interestingly enough as they are, maybe they were hidden.
I agree with much of what you have stated about Hrod.
His is an evil inclination. One that hastened his own demise by the very oath he spoke to a young woman.
The same evil inclination lead him to attempt blamelessness by keeping Yochanan alive and imprisoned.
Imagine the gruesome reality when Yochanans head was presented.
I doubt even Hrod was ignorant of the Law concerning outright murder.
The unbridled tongue.
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One thing we must remember is that Herod gave an oath, it wasn't him that wanted to do this, but his wife, Herodias. It states he didn't want to do it but since he told her daughter that she could have anything she wanted he couldn't go back on his promise to her.
It does teach a lesson to watch what you say.
It does teach a lesson to watch what you say.
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"he couldn't go back on his promise to her."
Of course he could. He chose to go through with it anyway.
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If he were familiar with the law he would have considered it better to break an oath than to kill a man.
By the same logic, lying to the gestapo to save the Jews in your basement is not only "permitted" - it is a mitzva. Lie, break an oath, whatever is necessary to save life. This is the principle the Rabbanan call Pikuach Nefesh.
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I thought, like Pharoah of egypt and the 'king' over Esther/Ruth that the king could not ever go against a law, period.
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Well then you are mistaken.
The law of the Persians and Medes is not the law of God, nor is it the law of Herod. What does Pharaoh have to do with this?
According to Judaism, saving life takes priority over just about anything. Pikuach Nefesh.
However the laws and principles of Judaism were not the laws and principles by which Herod, an Edomite given power by the Romans, ruled.
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17 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her.
18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.
19 Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not:
20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.
21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;
22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.
23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.
24And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.
25And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist.
26 And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her. 27And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,
28 And brought his head in a charger, and gave it to the damsel: and the damsel gave it to her mother.
I have to say that it does echo a certain Pharaoh (in Josephs time) who beheaded a man on his Birthday.
Also it brings to mind the vow of Jephthah in Judges 30.
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What this reveals also is that Herodias knew that this new conviction John gave Herod could result in a divorce, a loss of status for her, and she had to get rid of the "problem". Reminds me of Hillary.
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No, he was bound by the very thought that so many dismiss.
The voluntary vow has measure like no other.
Shall you and I count silver to the hearts content.
Or rather hold a sparrow from falling.
You are too far from the Torah. Hosh.
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Hello.....
You beautiful sparrows.
it shall be sacred: [That is,] his hair; he must let the growth of the hair of his head flourish.
All the days of his vow of abstinence, no razor shall pass over his head; until the completion of the term that he abstains for the sake of the Lord, it shall be sacred, and he shall allow the growth of the hair of his head to grow wild. הכָּל יְמֵי נֶדֶר נִזְרוֹ תַּעַר לֹא יַעֲבֹר עַל רֹאשׁוֹ עַד מְלֹאת הַיָּמִם אֲשֶׁר יַזִּיר לַיהוָֹה קָדֹשׁ יִהְיֶה גַּדֵּל פֶּרַע שְׂעַר רֹאשׁוֹ:
קדוש יהיה: השער שלו, לגדל הפרע של שער ראשו:
growth: Heb. פֶּרַע. [The word] is vowelized with a small “pattach” [known as “segol”] because it is [a construct state and] attached to the phrase“the hair of his head.” [The meaning is:] A growth of hair, and the word פֶּרַע means to allow the hair to grow [wild]. Similarly [we find],“He shall not allow his head to grow freely (לֹא יִפְרָע)” (Lev. 21:10). Any growth [of hair] less than thirty days is not considered פֶּרַע.
פרע: נקוד פתח קטן לפי שהוא דבוק לשער ראשו, פרע של שער. ופירושו של פרע, גדול של שער, וכן את ראשו לא יפרע (ויקרא כא, י), ואין קרוי פרע פחות משלושים יום:
Its redemption [shall be performed] from the age of a month, according to the valuation, five shekels of silver, according to the holy shekel, which is twenty gerahs. טזוּפְדוּיָו מִבֶּן חֹדֶשׁ תִּפְדֶּה בְּעֶרְכְּךָ כֶּסֶף חֲמֵשֶׁת שְׁקָלִים בְּשֶׁקֶל הַקֹּדֶשׁ עֶשְׂרִים גֵּרָה ה
You beautiful sparrows.
it shall be sacred: [That is,] his hair; he must let the growth of the hair of his head flourish.
All the days of his vow of abstinence, no razor shall pass over his head; until the completion of the term that he abstains for the sake of the Lord, it shall be sacred, and he shall allow the growth of the hair of his head to grow wild. הכָּל יְמֵי נֶדֶר נִזְרוֹ תַּעַר לֹא יַעֲבֹר עַל רֹאשׁוֹ עַד מְלֹאת הַיָּמִם אֲשֶׁר יַזִּיר לַיהוָֹה קָדֹשׁ יִהְיֶה גַּדֵּל פֶּרַע שְׂעַר רֹאשׁוֹ:
קדוש יהיה: השער שלו, לגדל הפרע של שער ראשו:
growth: Heb. פֶּרַע. [The word] is vowelized with a small “pattach” [known as “segol”] because it is [a construct state and] attached to the phrase“the hair of his head.” [The meaning is:] A growth of hair, and the word פֶּרַע means to allow the hair to grow [wild]. Similarly [we find],“He shall not allow his head to grow freely (לֹא יִפְרָע)” (Lev. 21:10). Any growth [of hair] less than thirty days is not considered פֶּרַע.
פרע: נקוד פתח קטן לפי שהוא דבוק לשער ראשו, פרע של שער. ופירושו של פרע, גדול של שער, וכן את ראשו לא יפרע (ויקרא כא, י), ואין קרוי פרע פחות משלושים יום:
Its redemption [shall be performed] from the age of a month, according to the valuation, five shekels of silver, according to the holy shekel, which is twenty gerahs. טזוּפְדוּיָו מִבֶּן חֹדֶשׁ תִּפְדֶּה בְּעֶרְכְּךָ כֶּסֶף חֲמֵשֶׁת שְׁקָלִים בְּשֶׁקֶל הַקֹּדֶשׁ עֶשְׂרִים גֵּרָה ה
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Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
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Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
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