Who is the antichrist?

"So you are 100 percent correct, the Harlot is False Religion"


That, but much more .... and you are stating this fact later in your post .... false religions are just a part of human intransigence

Anything that people place before the Lord is an abomination to Him

Babel was the beginning of human intransigence as exemplified just after the Lord's judgment of the flood .... humans went right back to the same old behavior of denying Him and setting out on their own to pursue worldly desires

The Lord gave His evaluation of this reprobate behavior and then stepped back and allowed people to do their thing .... until He decided to clean it off and begin again

The world is somewhere around 6 millennia from His devastating reaction today and He is about to take another shot .... His view of MBG is one of a "woman" who has been and is unfaithful in her relationship with Him at the end of this present age

The world today is this "woman" .... and the Lord is going to take her down

And in the process, because she has refused to believe the truth about Him and who He is, He is going to give her the devil

To punish her, and then to turn on Satan and humiliate him by wiping out his entire ploy to become a "god" himself .... this devil will be shut down for 1000 years

Th unfaithful "woman" who rides on Satan's beast will pay the price at the hands of the devil himself .... he will turn on her and destroy her with fire except for a scant faithful few who will be kept to enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth

And even though the Lord will allow for an extended period of human existence upon the earth without satanic meddling, and even with His personal presence, the "woman" will head right back into the pig pen

His reaction will be another and final cleansing, the devil will be destroyed, and all of the spirits of unbelieving humanity from Adam will be extinguished

Then He is going to create new heavens and a new earth and eternity will begin .... for the faithful "woman" who has not strayed

Who is "antichrist"? any human who refuses the Lord and is against Him

Who is Satan's "antichrist"? [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

Straightshot said:

"So you are 100 percent correct, the Harlot is False Religion"


That, but much more .... and you are stating this fact later in your post .... false religions are just a part of human intransigence

Anything that people place before the Lord is an abomination to Him

Babel was the beginning of human intransigence as exemplified just after the Lord's judgment of the flood .... humans went right back to the same old behavior of denying Him and setting out on their own to pursue worldly desires

The Lord gave His evaluation of this reprobate behavior and then stepped back and allowed people to do their thing .... until He decided to clean it off and begin again

The world is somewhere around 6 millennia from His devastating reaction today and He is about to take another shot .... His view of MBG is one of a "woman" who has been and is unfaithful in her relationship with Him at the end of this present age

The world today is this "woman" .... and the Lord is going to take her down

And in the process, because she has refused to believe the truth about Him and who He is, He is going to give her the devil

To punish her, and then to turn on Satan and humiliate him by wiping out his entire ploy to become a "god" himself .... this devil will be shut down for 1000 years

Th unfaithful "woman" who rides on Satan's beast will pay the price at the hands of the devil himself .... he will turn on her and destroy her with fire except for a scant faithful few who will be kept to enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth

And even though the Lord will allow for an extended period of human existence upon the earth without satanic meddling, and even with His personal presence, the "woman" will head right back into the pig pen

His reaction will be another and final cleansing, the devil will be destroyed, and all of the spirits of unbelieving humanity from Adam will be extinguished

Then He is going to create new heavens and a new earth and eternity will begin .... for the faithful "woman" who has not strayed

Who is "antichrist"? any human who refuses the Lord and is against Him

Who is Satan's "antichrist"? [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

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I agree with much of this, but do you see the two entities as I do ? The Woman = False Religion. The Beast = the False Gov. System. They are two separate entities. This is why the Kings destroy the woman (false religion) and God uses them to judge her (Rev. 17:16) but God Himself via plagues destroys Babylon (The Gov. Beast System) and the Kings cry and bemoan her demise.

The Kings of the Beast have to destroy Islam and all religions because they have to prepare the new one world religion, that the Beast is the ONLY GOD, and must be worshiped as such.

"I agree with much of this, but do you see the two entities as I do ? The Woman = False Religion. The Beast = the False Gov. System. They are two separate entities"


Satan's beast is a fallen angel that will operate in the human little horn of Daniel's visions and this one will have a political kingdom in the Middle East

The "woman" is the unfaithful unbelieving world comprised of many attributes set against the Lord including the false religions of men

Satan's beast will also have a man made cult religion that is set against all who will not submit

This is the intolerant religion of Islam .... those who worship the crescent moon "god" Allah of the ancient Assyrians and Babylonians .... this pagan "god" does not even exist .... a cover for Satan himself

The adherents of Islam are worshiping the devil and do not know it

This will be the cult religion of Satan's beast during the coming tribulation [Revelation 13]

It is this religion of Mohammed's concoction that the "woman" of the unbelieving world is riding [controlling] ... and specifically the dominating [suppressing] western nations and others who embrace false Christianity

The beast and his human followers hate the "woman" and will turn on her and destroy her core "great city" in one day at the beginning of the coming tribulation period [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18]

This insidious religion is also taught to hate the Lord's nation of Israel and the beast and his followers will attempt to destroy the nation during the coming tribulation .... when they do the Lord will turn on the same, destroy the human followers of the beast, destroy him and his false prophet in the lake of fire, and Satan will be sent to the abyss [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:41; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 11:2-7; 12:6; 12:14-17; 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21; 20:1-3]

LoricaLady said:

I have felt led to deal with this issue and have been researching it. There are so many candidates that have been proposed, Prince William, Obama, Islam or the Mahdi/Messiah of Islam, the RCC, or both Islam and the RCC working in conjunction etc. etc.

What I have learned is that Revelation never uses the term antichrist. When it is used elsewhere in the New Testament it refers to those who do not profess belief in the true Messiah. It seems to me there are two mega antiChrists in Revelation.

From Revelation 13, Amplified Bible, the first beast:

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[

Then there is the 2nd beast:

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

It seems to me they both have the spirit of the antichrist, whoever they are.

Any insights?

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Hello LoricaLady,

To determine who is the person who will become the Antichrist, we must understand that the question "Who is the Antichrist?" is actually the wrong question to ask. The correct question is "What is the proper relationship between the members of the unholy trinity?"

Once you understand the answer to this question, then you can move on to other questions such as "What is the ethnicity and nationality of the Antichrist?," "What region does he come from?," "What is the main subject he would have needed to study in order to accomplish the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem with such opposition from the Arabian alliances?," "Whose name will equal 666?"

To properly identify the Antichrist, we must identify all associated verses and apply them. Without the application of Scripture, this or any other Biblical study is useless. Some verses describe his characteristics in the first half of the Tribulation and some describe his characteristics in the second half of the Tribulation. He is truly a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Obviously we want to know more of his characteristics that can be determined before the midpoint of the 70th Week.

Scripture gives many specifics about the Antichrist: His royalty, race, reign, relationship, resemblance, religion, role, response, retail representation, reckoning, location, longitude within the location and latitude within the location. And that's not even all of them...

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum (a Pretribulationalist) stated: “The identity of the Antichrist will be revealed on two occasions. The first revelation will occur before the Tribulation and will be for believers... There is to be a revelation of the identity of the Antichrist that precedes the Tribulation, and it is for believers living at that time. The Rapture of the Church may or may not have already occurred by then... Therefore, the revelation to believers before the Tribulation may be to the Church if the Rapture has not yet occurred.”1

Concerning 2 Thessalonians 2:3, there are two distinct aspects of the word “reveal” / “apokalyptō” (G601), from which the word “revelation” / “apokalypsis” (G602) comes from. The first aspect is the subjective use: “That in which something is presented to the mind directly.” The second aspect is the objective use: “That in which something is presented to the senses, sight or hearing.”2

This process of revelation begins with “an internal disclosure to the believer” then “an external manifestation, to the senses and hence open to all… The unveiling [revealing] precedes and produces the manifestation;”3

The revealing of the revelation is first to the believers understanding through the Word of God, and then it becomes manifested to the world.

Re-examining the Relationship With Respect to the Current Church Doctrine of the Unholy Trinity

“What is the unholy trinity in the end times?” The current teaching in the majority of the Church is: “A common tactic of Satan is to imitate or counterfeit the things of God in order to make himself appear to be like God. What is commonly referred to as the “unholy trinity,” described vividly in Revelation 12 and 13, is no exception. The Holy Trinity consists of God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Their counterparts in the unholy trinity are Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet... Satan is the anti-God, the Beast is the anti-Christ, and the False Prophet is the anti-Spirit.”4

Satan = unholy father
Antichrist = unholy son
False Prophet = unholy spirit

After years of study, I see a slight flaw in this understanding of the order of the unholy trinity. Could Satan actually be the unholy counterpart to God the Holy Spirit? This correction would make the False Prophet the earthly father of the Antichrist. So the corrupt counterfeit counterparts would be:

False Prophet = unholy father
Antichrist = unholy son
Satan = unholy spirit / spiritual father

This Doctrinal adjustment is equally applicable for those scholars who advocate the minority view of the supernatural origin of the Antichrist, such as Arthur W. Pink, Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Dr. Daniel E. Woodhead and others which teach that the person of the Antichrist will be the literal offspring / seed of Satan. The only difference would be that they would be the perceived father and firstborn son. Perceived to those people alive during the Tribulation, creating the concluding corrupt counterparts:

False Prophet = unholy father / perceived father of the Antichrist
Antichrist = unholy son / perceived son of the False Prophet / actual seed of Satan
Satan = unholy spirit / actual father of the Antichrist

There is a difference between perceived reality and actual reality. The Jews in Jesus’ day perceived that Joseph was the father of Jesus (Luke 3:23; 4:22); yet, the actual reality was that God was His Father. Jesus even asked the scribes to explain this apparent juxtaposition (Luke 20:41–44; Matthew 22:41–45).

Within the nature of the One God, there are Three co-eternal and co-equal distinct Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29, 36; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 John 5:7...).

Satan wants “to be like” God (Isaiah 14:14). The word “like” in this passage is the Hebrew word “damah” (H1819) which means: “To compare, to resemble, to liken, to be like, to use similitudes.”5 “To make oneself like.”6

To do this, he must pretend to substitute God. To be “like” God, Satan must have his own father, son, spirit unholy trinity (Revelation 16:13; 20:10).

The current teaching in the majority of the Churches is that Satan is represented as the unholy father and the Antichrist is represented as the unholy son (Genesis 3:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, John 8:44). But when we get to the False Prophet being represented as the unholy spirit, the advocates of the current Church teaching say: Since the Holy Spirit bears witness to the person and work of Christ and glorifies Christ and draws men to worship Christ, so shall the False Prophet bear witness to the person and work of the Antichrist and glorify him, and will draw men to worship the Antichrist.7

The main problem with this view is that according to Scripture, the Father has the exact same ministries.–Bears Witness of Christ (Deuteronomy 18:17–19; Isaiah 11:1–2; 42:1; Matthew 3:17; 17:5; Mark 1:11; Luke 3:22; John 5:37; 8:18). Glorifies Christ (Daniel 7:13–14; John 12:23; 13:32; 17:1, 5, 22, 24; 2 Peter 1:17). Draws men to Christ (John 6:44–45, 37, 65; 17:9, 11–12, 24). To Worship Christ (Hebrews 1:6; [cf. 1 Peter 3:22; Colossians 1:18]; [cf. Hebrews 1:8; Luke 4:8; John 10:30]).

Scripture testifies over and over, that Satan is the cardinal copycat, the diabolical deceiving dragon, the example of every evil, the first fraudulent foe, the initial imitator, the master of masquerade, the prototype pretender, the supreme sinister serpent, the numero uno usurper, the number one wannabe and the original unholy spirit (Ezekiel 28:12–18; Isaiah 14:12–14; 2 Corinthians 11:14; Galatians 1:8; Revelation 12:3–4; Genesis 3:4–5). As the Antichrist imitates Christ, Scripture shows the Antichrist having a dual nature, being the unholy son of perdition (seed of Satan – spiritual or supernatural; depending on which view of the origin of the Antichrist you believe) and the man of sin (Genesis 3:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3).

Since the ministries of the Father are to bear witness of Christ, to glorify Christ, to draw men to Christ and explicitly counsels His creation to worship His Son, then the False Prophet would be the unholy counterpart to the Father, making him the earthly father of the Antichrist. Satan will counterfeit the Trinity in a similar fashion. As the Father instructs His creation to worship His Firstborn Son, Jesus; likewise, the False Prophet will demand everyone to worship his firstborn son, the Antichrist and his image or be killed (Revelation 13:12, 15).

Another categorical correlating consideration is that Jesus “is the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) and since “the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26), so shall the False Prophet have “power to give life unto the image of the beast” (Revelation 13:15).

Please take note that in Revelation 13:11–18, it is the False Prophet who initiates and institutes both the religious and the economic systems that will be set in place during the last forty-two months of the Tribulation; which are the exact same actions God the Father performed for Israel during the wilderness wanderings (Exodus 20–31; Leviticus 1–10; 16–17; 21–27; Numbers 3–9; 15; 28–29; Deuteronomy 12–18; 23–25; 27–28).

Out of these three beings, only two have physical bodies. Since Satan is a spirit, (literally, the original unholy spirit) people alive during the Tribulation (or more properly termed the 70th week of Daniel) will only see a father and his firstborn son, in order to mimic God, the Father and His Firstborn Son, Jesus (Luke 2:23; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 1:5).


Notes:
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1. Fruchtenbaum, Rise and Fall, 6–7. PDF e-book.

2. Vines, Expository Dictionary, 964.

3. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon, 62.

4. Got Questions Ministries, “What is the Unholy Trinity in the End Times?,” accessed February 16, 2016, ¶¶ 1, 8. Got Questions.org. https://www.gotquestions.org/unholy-trinity.html

5. Vines, Best of Vine's, Hebrew, 63.

6. Gesenius, Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon, 202. http://www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/Gesenius/

7. Pink, Antichrist, Chapter 2, § 2, (expanded and adopted from historical Church teachings). PDF e-book. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/pink/antichrist

Here is Satan's "antichrist" [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

This fallen angel king of the abyss will inhabit the human little horn seen in Daniel's visions at the time of the end [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:7]

This one is called the "Assyrian" in Micah 5 and he will arise out of northwestern Mesopotamia in the Middle East

LoricaLady said:

I have felt led to deal with this issue and have been researching it. There are so many candidates that have been proposed, Prince William, Obama, Islam or the Mahdi/Messiah of Islam, the RCC, or both Islam and the RCC working in conjunction etc. etc.

What I have learned is that Revelation never uses the term antichrist. When it is used elsewhere in the New Testament it refers to those who do not profess belief in the true Messiah. It seems to me there are two mega antiChrists in Revelation.

From Revelation 13, Amplified Bible, the first beast:

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[

Then there is the 2nd beast:

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

It seems to me they both have the spirit of the antichrist, whoever they are.

Any insights?

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The Antichrist is a prince who becomes king (Daniel 9:26; 8:23; 11:36; Revelation 13:1–2; 17:10–11). Notice when the Antichrist confirms the seven-year covenant with Israel at the start of the 70th week of Daniel, he is called a prince (Daniel 9:26–27); but when he stands up and exalts himself in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, he is called a king (Daniel 8:23; 11:36; Revelation 13:1–2; 17:10–11).

At the confirming (signing) of the “covenant with many” which begins the seven-year Tribulation (see chart p. 27), we encounter the Antichrist wearing a royal crown (Revelation 6:2). The word “crown” in this passage, is the Greek word “stephanos” (G4735) which means: “A chaplet, (as a badge of royalty).” “A crown (with which the head is encircled); properly as a mark of royal or (in general) exalted rank.”

Yet, when we see him in the middle of the 70th week of Daniel, he is wearing a kingly crown (Revelation 13:1–2). The word “crown” in this passage, is the Greek word “diadema” (G1238) which means: A “crown. It is always the symbol of kingly or imperial dignity; whereas a stephanos is the victor’s crown.” “A diadem, i.e. the blue band marked with white with which Persian kings used to bind on the turban or tiara; the kingly ornament for the head.” (Persia is Iran). So both crowns we see the Antichrist wear are ornaments of royalty. The natural progression of royalty from prince to king is plainly evident in the Scriptures. Since he is a prince, his father is also either a prince or a king.

In order to resolve such conflict as Jerusalem and the Temple and to “divide the land for gain” the “prince who shall come” would need to be a master of geography (Daniel 9:27; 11:39).

LoricaLady said:

I have felt led to deal with this issue and have been researching it. There are so many candidates that have been proposed, Prince William, Obama, Islam or the Mahdi/Messiah of Islam, the RCC, or both Islam and the RCC working in conjunction etc. etc.

What I have learned is that Revelation never uses the term antichrist. When it is used elsewhere in the New Testament it refers to those who do not profess belief in the true Messiah. It seems to me there are two mega antiChrists in Revelation.

From Revelation 13, Amplified Bible, the first beast:

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[

Then there is the 2nd beast:

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

It seems to me they both have the spirit of the antichrist, whoever they are.

Any insights?

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Main Markers Manifesting in the Majestic Manuscript of the Most High

The greatest contention among those trying to identify the Antichrist is his ethnicity and nationality. If people would just incorporate all of the possibilities into a blanket application, then a better outcome is guaranteed. The most agreed upon forerunner or prototype of the Antichrist is Antiochus IV Epiphanies, who was a Syrian ruler of Greek descent. So that's where we need to start.

Leading Lineage: Greek (Daniel 8:9) [cf. Daniel 8:8–9, 21–22] [cf. Daniel 11]

Lesser Lineages Likely: Mixed: (Daniel 2:41–43; 7:2–8, 17; Revelation 13:1–2)
Roman: (Daniel 9:26)
Arabian: (Daniel 2:41–43; 9:26)
Assyrian: (Isaiah 10:5–34; 14:25; Micah 5:5–6) [cf. 2 Kings 17:6, 18; 18:9–11]
Jewish: (John 5:43; Ezekiel 21:25; Genesis 3:14–15; 49:16–17; Revelation 7:4–8)

Link: Father, firstborn son and spirit (Isaiah 14:14; Matthew 28:19; 1 John 5:7; Revelation 16:13; 20:10) [cf. Worship: Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 13:14–15]

Loftiness: Royalty (Daniel 9:26; Revelation 6:2; Daniel 8:23; 11:36; Revelation 13:1–2; 17:10–11)

Liturgy: Philosophical Pantheism (Genesis 3:4–5; Ezekiel 28:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:4)

Location: Roman Empire (Daniel 2:37–43; 7:7, 17, 23–24; 9:26)

Longitude within the location: West (Daniel 8:5, and implied by omission in 8:9 [northwest])

Latitude within the location: Could Alexander the Great and Seleucus also hold the remaining piece of the puzzle to determine the exact location of the False Prophet and the Antichrist?

In a harmonious typological similitude of Alexander the Great and Seleucus, could the Antichrist also be born and raised in the northwestern territory of the Empire from which he is from, i.e. the Roman Empire?

As a prophetic typology of "the king who shall do according to his will" in Daniel 11:40 and coming from the northwest to the east in battle against "the king of the south" (Egypt) and "the king of the north" (Syria).

What we have deduced from the Scriptures are that people living during the 70th week of Daniel will see: "A Greek royal father and his firstborn son. The father‘s primary purpose is the promotion of a religious institution which has pantheistic philosophy as its core conception, while promoting a global economic establishment. The son is a future inhabitant of ancient Assyria, being a Syrian ruler who becomes king of Babylon and is a master of geography. He and his people are from the geographical location of the northwestern Roman Empire."

The concoction of Satan .... the angelic beast Abaddon in the human little horn of Daniel's visions [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

This entity will rise out of the Muslim Middle East in the region of Nineveh Provence on the Tigris River .... today's Mosul .... the ancient post flood region of the "land" of Magog [Ezekiel 38]

It was the ancient Assyrians who displaced Magog and His brothers and drove the settlements over the Caucasus divide

Abaddon rules over 7 kingdoms [heads] for Satan in the Middle East .... 5 have fallen and 2 are still pending

Here are his kingdoms [the "land' of Magog, the Assyrian, neo-Babylonian, Persian, the northern Seleucid kingdom of which Antiochus IV was the last king [Daniel 11:21-35]

The next king of the same region after a long period of time is the little horn of Daniel's visions [Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45: 12:7]

It is this human king that will bring Abaddon's 6th and 7th kingdoms during the coming tribulation period

The 6th smaller, and the 7th expanded/divided with 10 other Middle Eastern kings

Rome and subsequent rulers of the region are not seen in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets

The idea of a revived Roman Empire is bogus and the theology of the reformers

At the time of the end the king of the south [Egypt] will oppose the northern little horn and he will conquer and add Egypt to his Middle Eastern holdings [Daniel 11:40; 42]

This is not a picture of a revived Roman empire .... neither are the iron legs of the image in Daniel 2 ... these represent the rival kings of the north and south

The same goes for the 2 bronze thighs .... the same divide of the northern Seleucid and the southern Ptolemaic kingdoms just before the first century .... not a picture of ancient Rome

The current war in the Middle East in Mosul is to be watched .... this region is in the vortex of the current stated of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran

The very place where Satan's "antichrist" will rise to rule over his next 2 kingdoms

Abaddon was sent to the abyss after his 5th kingdom fell just before the first century [head wounded]

He will be released by Satan from the abyss to rule over his 6th [head healed] and 7th at the beginning of the coming tribulation [Revelation 9:1]

The current Mosul war is in the vortex of his rising

He will arise out of the Muslim Middle East and confederate the current divides of the region [Daniel 11:36-44]

Abaddon will fully possess the human little horn at the middle of the tribulation and become the 8th king himself [2 Thessalonians 2:3-12]

The only proper way to arrive at the conclusion of an Assyrian Islamic Antichrist is to go through the western Roman Empire Antichrist.

The little horn (Antiochus Epiphanies IV) came out of one of the four horns (Seleucus) that replaced the great horn (Alexander the Great) who came from the west to the east. Daniel 8:5 and 8:9.

This is also understood from the Islamic prophecies of the Mahdi: "The sun shall rise from the west and a star will appear in the east."

The little horn of Daniel's visions was not Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35]

Many differences between Antiochus IV and the coming little horn [Daniel 11:36-45: 12:7]

There is a breach in scope of the visions of the Bible prophets between the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel and the beginning of the 70th

The 69th ended with the Lord's cutting off .... the 70th has not yet begun

The prophets are all silent during the breach still on going

All unfulfilled prophecy will begin with the 70th still pending

Rome ruled in the breach and is in the dust bin of history never to rise again

Many scholars see it differently. http://www.prophecyforum.com/antiochus.html

I am aware of the other points of view including your link

The prophets are all focused upon the Israel and the Middle East, past and future, by explicit description and location

Watch the Middle East

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That is where his kingdom is located, but not where he comes from. Daniel 8:5, 9; 9:26. He comes from the northwest region of the Roman Empire.

Actually he will arise in northwestern Mesopotamia in the Middle East .... not Europe [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 8:9-25, 11:36-45; Micah 5:5-6]

Europeans are never called Assyrians .... and for that matter Europe is not seen in any of the visions of the Bible prophets

I do think Larry has much to offer on the subject, but he need to go deeper and make some adjustments

I studied under John Walvoord and Dwight Pentecost at the DTS many years ago .... both giant teachers of bible prophecy

Much has been revealed since and I believe that if these men were alive today they would enhance their understanding with the additional hindsight and the behavior of the Muslims of the Middle East

Europe is falling apart today and the Russian inclusion made by some is not actually a part of Ezekiel 38

No offense to you, but I am just sharing what I believe can be a better interpretation of the prophetic scriptures

No offense taken. Excellent teachers to study under. Wish I could goto DTS.

How do you see Islamic prophecies playing into the scheme of things?

I see them as the devilish delusions of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 that God will use in order to bring about a believable lie to the masses who hate Him.

Also, have you studied them?

I have studied the Koran and the Muslim Hadith

I give no credence to Mohammed or the Muslim perversions whatsoever

The writings are simply an intentional corruption of the Bible perpetrated by Satan and his ambition to usurp the Lord

The age old controversy between Isaac and Jacob, and Ishmael and Esau is still on going as we speak

And it is this offset that is and will play out in the Middle East between Israel and the Muslims at the time of the end

The reason I ask is because it's always informative to know what your enemy is communicating to his followers to look for.

A corruption of the Bible, yes; but much more than that. Here's just some of the more precise prophecies concerning the Mahdi and Isa.

The Mahdi and Isa are related through and descended from Muhammad.

The Mahdi will have a luminous scar on his bright broad forehead. A small dip between his curved (like a bow) eyebrows. A slight protrusion in the center of his nose. A slight mole on either cheek.

He will look like the "lost" tribes of Israel. He has an Israelite body. He will appear when he is 30-40 years old. His face is very beautiful like a shining star. Has teeth of pearls. Broad shoulders. Majestic and sturdily built. He will speak with his hands to accomplish his will. Broad thighs. A large gait when he walks. His feet points outwards.

He does not speak Arabic. He is born in the early 1400's ah (1980ish). And the Islamic scholars are pointing to 1982, since this is when the dual solar and lunar eclipses happened during the month of Ramadan. He will have few brothers. And born in a large city.

And for Isa: Isa (jesus) is the son of Mary. A man of medium height; of a ruddy (red, earth tone) fair complexion, as if he just stepped out of a bath; who is at least 40 years old, has at least one child and is related to Muhammad. He will have a prophet's face, and his hair will appear wet even though it's dry.

He will not know he is jesus, but will come to realize it later. He will contend and repudiate anti-religious and atheistic ideologies that represent materialistic and naturalist philosophy. He will pass from Christianity to Islam. He will find 12 Muslims to be his disciples. He will struggle for the cause of Islam and apply the essence of Islam.

Only two people in the world fit these descriptions. And it is the same two people which fit the western Roman Empire Antichrist and False Prophet from the Bible...

"A Greek royal father and his firstborn son. The father‘s primary purpose is the promotion of a religious institution which has pantheistic philosophy as its core conception, while promoting a global economic establishment. The son is a future inhabitant of ancient Assyria, being a Syrian ruler who becomes king of Babylon and is a master of geography. He and his people are from the geographical location of the northwestern Roman Empire."

And my wife said her friend Obi from Syria said their Mahdi is a foreigner.

The person who becomes the Antichrist - the illegitimate King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king - has to be a Jew and his religion Judaism. After his stint as the Antichrist, the buy/sell requirement once the person betrays his people and breaks the covenant - just as Solomon did in going after false gods in his old age - will introduce the Solomon 666 monetary system. I am thinking that person's name will be Solomon.

The mahdi/Isa theory is based upon a canard that will never play out.

Douggg said:

The person who becomes the Antichrist - the illegitimate King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king - has to be a Jew and his religion Judaism. After his stint as the Antichrist, the buy/sell requirement once the person betrays his people and breaks the covenant - just as Solomon did in going after false gods in his old age - will introduce the Solomon 666 monetary system. I am thinking that person's name will be Solomon.

The mahdi/Isa theory is based upon a canard that will never play out.

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The Antichrist is not only one genetic race. The Antichrist has a mix of differing ethnicities. This is designated by the amalgamation of different beasts "like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion" (Revelation 13:2). And the verses which specifically states his ethnicity such as Daniel 8:9 "out of one of these came forth a little horn" which is Seleucus, who was a Syrian ruler of Greek descent. And Daniel 9:26 "the people of the Prince" which are the Romans and the Arabs.

To state that the Antichrist is only one ethnicity is to deny and defy the simple understanding of the Scriptures which state otherwise. Scripture is replete with sufficient evidence that the Antichrist has multiple ethnicities.

Leading Lineage: Greek (Daniel 8:9) [cf. Daniel 8:8–9, 21–22] [cf. Daniel 11]

Lesser Lineages Likely: Mixed: (Daniel 2:41–43; 7:2–8, 17; Revelation 13:1–2)
Roman: (Daniel 9:26)
Arabian: (Daniel 2:41–43; 9:26)
Assyrian: (Isaiah 10:5–34; 14:25; Micah 5:5–6) [cf. 2 Kings 17:6, 18; 18:9–11]
Jewish: (John 5:43; Ezekiel 21:25; Genesis 3:14–15; 49:16–17; Revelation 7:4–8).

Remember, it is a person that rises from the sea, which is used in prophetic Scripture of "peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues" Daniel 7:3, Luke 21:25; Revelation 17:1, 15).

All of this fits perfectly into the Islamic Antichrist from the Western Roman Empire. Why are Muslims expecting a Mahdi that has an Israelite body and will look like Bani Israel?

Bani = "lost" tribes of Israel or Samaritan