Can God self Terminate?

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

Ken Rank said:
Then your opening question isn't relevant. If you know what the word eternal means, and you know God applied it to Himself, then you also know He can self-terminate without making Himself out to be a liar. So you have answered your own question.

Good! Then there is no need for further discussion. Thank you.

Ken Rank · Nov 1, 2016

Radrook said:
The Bible does tell us that we should not stumble others and I am getting the strong impression that this subject has that potential. That makes me feel very badly. So I will request it be removed. Thanks for the contribution and interest.

If your question causes anyone to stumble, they are in need of serious discipleship. How can we "prove all things" unless we are willing to ask all possible questions and prayerfully work through them for sound answers? We don't own our answers unless we have worked through all other possible conclusions.

Being handed answers for us to simply repeat makes us parrots and that opens us up to stumble because we don't have the ability to defend those kinds of answers.

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

Ken Rank said:
I thought it was an interesting question. How can you explore anything to greater depths unless you are willing to ask questions? There are some decent answers and observations in this thread already, even if it ended now, it will have been a worthy question.

GOD does not begin and not complete...HE does not PROMISE and not fulfill

We have HIS WORD and PROMISES and THE SPIRIT (in all those who have been washed and born of HIS IMPERISHABLE SEED) testifies. And THE SPIRIT is TRUTH

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

Ken Rank said:
I think it is clear He has free will. Remember Hezekiah, God "added" 15 years to his life. The problem is we are dealing with a being that really is outside of our ability to understand to any great detail. We are in the flesh and finite, He is Spirit and eternal. We are simply limited on what we can or cannot grasp at this time. So, with what little we can grasp... if we see Him "repent" in various places (2 Samuel 24:16, Amos 7:3 to name two) then He can change His mind. And if true, and that seems to be the case, then He has free will.

The free will He gave us allows us to choose Him or the world. Thus, in the end, He is surrounded by those who WANTED to love Him, WANTED to be with Him.

The problem with free will and predestination is both exist in Scripture and too few are patient enough to work through it to reconcile them. I think it comes down to who's eyes are being looked through. While God has free will, He also knows the end from the beginning and is eternal... always existing. So from His perspective, He can see our timeline at any point and know what will become of any person, thing, thought, anything. Since he knows it in advance, from His perspective we can say "predestination" because it WILL happen because being eternal, He saw it happen already (He exists outside of time). But WE DON'T have a clue what tomorrow brings and so we live having to choose... between good and evil, life and death, blessing and cursing.

Thanks for the feedback. Very good answers. Especially about how he changes his mind.

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

Radrook said:
Good! Then there is no need for further discussion. Thank you.

Radrock. Are you okay?

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

miknik5 said:
Radrock. Are you okay?

No I am not. I am starting to feel guilty about bringing up the subject.

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

HE will not change HIS mind regarding the honoring of HIS SON

In fact HE required it that all should listen to HIM

Ken Rank · Nov 1, 2016

miknik5 said:
GOD does not begin and not complete...HE does not PROMISE and not fulfill

We have HIS WORD and PROMISES and THE SPIRIT (in all those who have been washed and born of HIS IMPERISHABLE SEED) testifies. And THE SPIRIT is TRUTH

Yes I know miknik, that is why I said in at least 2 posts so far that He would be a liar and also profaning His own name if He did not complete what He started... do what He promised. Blessings!

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

Radrook said:
No I am not. I am starting to feel guilty about bringing up the subject.

It's okay. You knew what you were looking for and now after getting the feedback you are understanding something more. It is fine and you are okay. It is true how we grow in understanding by asking questions. But you also understand something more now and you are right in saying wait. maybe that is why you want to stop this conversation and ageee that it is a moot point?

GOD is. And HE will not change

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

miknik5 said:
It's okay. You knew what you were looking for and now after getting the feedback you are understanding something more. It is fine and you are okay. It is true how we grow in understanding by asking questions. But you also understand something more now and you are right in saying wait. maybe that is why you want to stop this conversation and ageee that it is a moot point?

GOD is. And HE will not change

Agreed! God bless!

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

Ken Rank said:
If your question causes anyone to stumble, they are in need of serious discipleship. How can we "prove all things" unless we are willing to ask all possible questions and prayerfully work through them for sound answers? We don't own our answers unless we have worked through all other possible conclusions.

Being handed answers for us to simply repeat makes us parrots and that opens us up to stumble because we don't have the ability to defend those kinds of answers.

Yes, it can be viewed in that philosophical way. However, there are questions which can do more harm than good by planting seeds of confusion and one must be very careful that one does not unintentionally become the sower of spiritually harmful doubts. So I will try to have it removed.

RDKirk · Nov 1, 2016

Inkfingers said:
No.

The eternal cannot cease to be eternal.

We do indeed conclude that.

God's omnipotence does not mean that he can make 2 plus 2 equal elephant or any other self-contradictory nonsense a human mind dreams up in its foolishness. It means that God's plans and purposes will always come to pass exactly as He determines them to in exactly the manner needed to fulfill his perfect purposes.

Regarding "omnipotence," let me mention something.

The term does not refer to physical power, it refers to authority. In ancient times, the king held the authority to do all things in government. The king could personally run the treasury, personally act as ambassador, personally act as commander of the military, et cetera.

Or he could delegate his authority to others for those roles. But their authority was not inherent, it stemmed from the king.

Each of those persons with delegated authority was a potens (vulgate Latin) or "potentate." Officials with broader powers were "plenipotentates." The term "plenipotentiary" is still used for ambassadors who are authorized to speak totally for their governments in dealing with other nations (which was more necessary before the age of instant radio communications).

But the king was the omnipotens. He held all powers, the totality of powers, and all power flowed from him.

When the Church first began using the term omnipotens for God, it was actually still being used in reference to the Roman emperor, and they meant it in the same way: God is the source of all authority.

Widlast · Nov 1, 2016

Radrook said:
Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

The question makes poor assumptions about the nature of God.
His existence is outside of and superior to all time, space, matter, spirit, and created reality.
I AM cannot cease to be. He is eternal, and time and the notion of non-existence just don't apply.

Widlast · Nov 1, 2016

Radrook said:
Is total self-termination or total self-obliteration within the parameters of God's abilities? Or do we conclude that no matter how he might feel concerning his own existence, He is incapable of such an act?

The question makes poor assumptions about the nature of God.
His existence is outside of and superior to all time, space, matter, spirit, and created reality.
I AM cannot cease to be. He is eternal, and time and the notion of non-existence just don't apply.

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

Widlast said:
The question makes poor assumptions about the nature of God.
His existence is outside of and superior to all time, space, matter, spirit, and created reality.
I AM cannot cease to be. He is eternal, and time and the notion of non-existence just don't apply.

Amen!

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

I think we have all discovered that GOD does not change HE IS and is ETERNAL
From everlasting to everlasting

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

Here is an answer to my question which I find very approriate as well:

The Happy God
So often we think of God as non-enthusiastic or even gloomy. The exact opposite is true: He loves to be God, He takes great pleasure in all that He does, and He is enthusiastic about serving His people and working for their welfare. For example, God says in Jeremiah 32:41: "I will rejoice in doing them good." Jesus said in John 15:11, "These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you." And Paul writes in Timothy 1:11 of "the glorious gospel of the blessed God." Blessed means happy. So Paul is saying: "the glorious gospel of the happy God."

God is infinitely happy because he is infinitely glorious. And, the good news is that he invites us to enter into his happiness. Here is what Piper writes in The Pleasures of God (p. 26): "It is good news that God is gloriously happy. No one would want to spend eternity with an unhappy God.

If God is unhappy then the goal of the gospel is not a happy goal, and that means it would be no gospel at all. But, in fact, Jesus invites us to spend eternity with a happy God when he says, ‘Enter into the joy of your master' (Matthew 25:23). Jesus lived and died that his joy-God's joy-might be in us and our joy might be full (John 15:11; :13). Therefore the gospel is ‘the gospel of the glory of the happy God.'"

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/god-is-happy

Radrook · Nov 1, 2016

miknik5 said:
I think we have all discovered that GOD does not change HE IS and is ETERNAL
From everlasting to everlasting

He is also described as blessed and joyful.

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

Radrook said:
Here is an answer to my question which I find very approriate as well:

But you can't reconcile this with the outcome for those who do not receive the GOOD NEWS of salvation in CHRIST JESUS

miknik5 · Nov 1, 2016

Not all receive this news as GOOD and JOYOUS NEWS....and that actually translates to those professing "another way" and in fact professing themselves above the GIFT OF GOD

Is GOD "happy" about that?

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