I must ask, if God has always known what will happen, when did He predestine what will happen? Before knowing or after knowing? I see that either God is not omniscient (predestination before knowing), or His omniscience is uncertain (predestination after knowing).
As we are told in the scriptures and as you were just told here - predestination pertains to the beginning of time as we know it.
God's omniscience or knowing it "inherently within Himself" (which is certainly true) is a different paradigm from the one in which we live of which we know very little.
The only bearing it has on the subject of predestination of what we do in time as we know it is to show that God always knew every possibility that He could do as well as what He would actually do.
We know that He knows all other possibilities which could occur because He has given us numerous examples of them both in the O.T. and the N.T.
He is the one who chooses and decrees what He will do and when and, as a consequence, what will occur as a result of that action and when.
For what it's worth also - there is no "world where time exists outside of where God exists. He is infinite and omnipresent.
God has no foreknowledge. It is only foreknowledge to us.
I'm not sure what that means.
Since God is not in time, there is not such thing as past and future. All things are present with God. All things happen in present before God.
And you know this how?
Things are said to happen sequentially in Heaven as well as on earth. That includes the actions we see God doing. He sings to Himself and to His creation and He hears praise and receives praise.
Time is the evidence of motion.
God "speaks". He "sends forth" His Word showing sequence of motion and corrosponding time.
The idea that God does not experience time is a fabrication of the anti predestination folks. He undoubtedly experiences it differently than we do in this fallen world. But to say that He does not experience it is something that you will not find inhe Word of God.
Besides that - it simply isn't true that God is not in time. God is everywhere.
It is certainly true that He transcends the universe. But it is also true that He is immanent everywhere within it as well.
There exists no possibilities with God,
That simply isn't true. It may sound good to you and it may allow for your theories. But it is not true.
"Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." Matthew 11:21
"And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day." Matthew 11:23
Other examples on request.
Predestination then becomes a crutch for God; for He has some doubt about something coming to pass and has to make sure it happens by predestination.
Predestination or decreeing that something will happen is the sending forth of His Word to accomplish everything He intends to accomplish.
"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding
in the matter for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:10-11
We live and move and have our being in His Word. Everything in existence was created and is being sustained by His Word.
What Bible have you been reading?
By the way --- it has always perplexed me and I have asked you about it many times before. How is it that you can reconcile scriptures which say that believers have will never again come into condemnation with what you preach concerning them coming into that condemnation again.
I've wondered aloud how it is that believers can be seated with Him in Heaven and ruling with Him from His throne and yet be condemned to Hell at the same time.
I now have an inkling as to how you think. You apparently believe that we exist saved and unsaved at the same "time" and indeed "eternally" live our lives in God's mind without God's decree going forth that we so exist and live our lives in time.
It explains a lot.
But seeing your record in partaking in dialog that makes any sense and in preaching another gospel if given half a chance to do so ----- I will try to just leave off with you again for now.
