Is Saturday Sabbath Observance Essential?

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So why does the day of the week matter SO much to Sabbatarians?

And as to the Sabbath being The Lord's Day, I agree - but that doesn't make it Saturday, and "The Lord's Day" is the more Christian term for the Sabbath day, so why not just use that term?

There just seems to be far too much emphasis on Saturday to the point that it seems they believe it is required to observe Saturday as the "Sabbath" or "Lord's Day".

John, God sanctified it and hallowed it, made it Holy, at creation... do you think He made a mistake? This isn't something that God would arbitrarily change, especially without a 'thus sayeth the Lord'.... Jesus would have surely taught that the day that He hallowed at creation was now going to be different, don't ya think? Obviously, the seventh day Sabbath is important to God... it's not so much for us it seems.

Have you ever asked yourself why the fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember'? Did God know we'd forget?
 
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I have had some involvement with SDA over many decades.
As for Sabbath worship I do not see this as essential and possibly not in keeping with Christ's seemingly essential message.
Some have accused SDA of being latter day Galatians.
This is simply a personal consideration.
Many years ago The Pope was viewed as 666. Does this still apply?
Thank you.:wave:


As far as the sabbath is concerned there is a bible verse that might help out. Found in James:4:17: "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." If you believe that the Holy Spirit is convicting you that something is wrong or right and you do not follow that conviction then houston you have a problem. This, at the moment is a matter of conscience. You might be able to fool mankind into believing that you are or are not being convicted, but you cannot fool God because He is the one doing the convicting.

As for now the sabbath issue is a matter of conscience, but soon, when we are forced to worship on this day or that. Or when religious legislation takes the place of God's holy word the KJV bible we musttake a stand on God's word or we will be lost. That time is coming soon, because the 666 beast that you mentioned is alive and well and trying to take over the world as we write. Look into the dark ages. Study about the inquisition and find out what this 1500 year old beast has in store for the world.The catholic church hierarchy, not the deceived congregations, murdered over 100 million people during their inquisition just because they would not join, or they had the bible in the "common" language. Remember this, for every truth in the bible satan has a counterfeit, and the vatican is the counterfeit of God's true church. 666 means vicarius filii dei which means vicar of God on earth. Take out the roman numerals and it ads up to 666.Not only in latin, but also in hebrew and greek.

Please do not let some pranksters run you off this site.
 
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I have had some involvement with SDA over many decades.
As for Sabbath worship I do not see this as essential and possibly not in keeping with Christ's seemingly essential message.
Some have accused SDA of being latter day Galatians.
This is simply a personal consideration.
Many years ago The Pope was viewed as 666. Does this still apply?
Thank you.:wave:

The sabbath was established with every other physical and celestial attribute of God''s creation. It is a commandment. It has always been a commandment. It was made for man, not man for the day so that s/he stresses over use of "luxuries" considered "work." (Remember the example Christ brought up against the Pharisees, and their traditions of men when accusing Christ of breaking the Sabbath law.)

It is as essential as passover. In fact, Passover is a class of sabbath.
 
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I understand, but the day of the week itself doesn't really matter.

To use your anniversary analogy - if your husband took you to dinner and a show on the Friday night that followed your actual anniversary would it be in any way less special? In fact, it might be more special because he is choosing a better night that allows you both to enjoy it more.

So why does the day of the week matter SO much to Sabbatarians?

And as to the Sabbath being The Lord's Day, I agree - but that doesn't make it Saturday, and "The Lord's Day" is the more Christian term for the Sabbath day, so why not just use that term?

There just seems to be far too much emphasis on Saturday to the point that it seems they believe it is required to observe Saturday as the "Sabbath" or "Lord's Day".


God created the earth in six days and rested on THE seventh day. Again in Exodus we are reminded of this fact when God gave Moses the TEN commandments and in the forth he writes remember THE sabbath. The sabbath was instituted on the first seventh day of creation. What the SDA denomination does is follow God's word over church tradition which most denominations choose over the bible. God said THE seventh day is the sabbath. God did not say that we should choose any day for A sabbath. The bible is very clear on this. Many choose to put A sabbath in the place of THE sabbath and presume to say that "it doesn't matter what day", or "God is not that specific". I tell them this, what was it that caused Adam and Eve to be removed from the garden and condemn mankind to a life of sinful tendencies? It was a piece of fruit. So is God very specific? yes He most certainly is. It is not about which day or what kind of fruit but obedience to Him. I have tried every denomination, just to be convicted of this or that bible truth. When it came to the sabbath for me I choose to follow God over any man. God said THE seventh day that is the day for me, and the SDA denomination.

You seem to be having trouble with THE seventh day. Is it the days of the week you are referring to? If we look at easter, the resurrection SUNday that the catholic church has made certain they keep that SUNday throughout time, we know that SUNday is the day after sabbath. The bible, in all the gospels tell us that Jesus was laid in the tomb on Friday, the day before sabbath, and rose on the first day or SUNday. Since the time of Jesus the Jews have kept the true sabbath, and the catholic church has kept the true SUNday.
 
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God created the earth in six days and rested on THE seventh day. Again in Exodus we are reminded of this fact when God gave Moses the TEN commandments and in the forth he writes remember THE sabbath. The sabbath was instituted on the first seventh day of creation. What the SDA denomination does is follow God's word over church tradition which most denominations choose over the bible. God said THE seventh day is the sabbath. God did not say that we should choose any day for A sabbath. The bible is very clear on this. Many choose to put A sabbath in the place of THE sabbath and presume to say that "it doesn't matter what day", or "God is not that specific". I tell them this, what was it that caused Adam and Eve to be removed from the garden and condemn mankind to a life of sinful tendencies? It was a piece of fruit. So is God very specific? yes He most certainly is. It is not about which day or what kind of fruit but obedience to Him. I have tried every denomination, just to be convicted of this or that bible truth. When it came to the sabbath for me I choose to follow God over any man. God said THE seventh day that is the day for me, and the SDA denomination.

You seem to be having trouble with THE seventh day. Is it the days of the week you are referring to? If we look at easter, the resurrection SUNday that the catholic church has made certain they keep that SUNday throughout time, we know that SUNday is the day after sabbath. The bible, in all the gospels tell us that Jesus was laid in the tomb on Friday, the day before sabbath, and rose on the first day or SUNday. Since the time of Jesus the Jews have kept the true sabbath, and the catholic church has kept the true SUNday.
The point that you miss is that the Sabbath is what is observed by men. Prior to Christ, it was commanded to be observed as a day and that's how men (Jews) observed it. After Christ, He became the Sabbath. Christians observe Christ as the Sabbath, not a day as the Sabbath. That is because in Christ the Sabbath is fulfilled. The purpose of the Sabbath was to give men "rest". "Rest" means taking a break from "work". "Work" was what man had to do prior to God's Gift of Salvation which is by Grace. We are not under work anymore - so what would a Sabbath Day of rest be a rest FROM?

It is borderline blasphemous to proclaim that Christ is not sufficient to be our rest and that we must do act of observing a day of the week for our rest. It is a way of saying that Christ has not provided sufficient rest for us. Well, as Christians, we are rested in Christ. To say that the rest we have in Christ is insufficient without also observing a day of rest is to say Christ failed.

Prior to Christ there were certain commandments, like the Sabbath commandment, which were meant to be followed but after Christ those things were NOT meant to be followed anymore. Dietary laws, sacrifice for atonement of sins, the sabbath DAY, etc. were not purposeful after what Christ did. Observing any of those is just another way of saying Christ's work was incomplete, insufficient, defective, and a failure.

As a Christian, I don't believe that Christ failed. He won! He succeeded!

We no longer observe a Sabbath DAY but rather we observe Christ as our Eternal Rest, our Eternal Sabbath. We now only do any work out of love for God and desire to serve Him, not out of a requirement to do work. We have nothing to rest from - Christ has provided us perfect, infallible, eternal rest.

As for the SDA religion, I don't know how they are these days, but I know in the past they were a cult which followed Ellen G White, their prophetess, as being "inspired" and infallible. She was neither. She was not a good person, actually, yet they followed her much in the same way as mormons follow Joseph Smith or JW's follow Charles Taze Russell. The Sabbath-day-keeping of the SDA religion is not in line with Christianity, in my opinion. Mind you, I don't think it's a WRONG thing to observe a day of rest as a Sabbath; the problem comes when one asserts that this is what a Christian OUGHT to do to obey God's Word because that is simply not the case. If a Christian chooses to observe a Sabbath Day of rest in keeping with tradition and as a way to grow in his Christian walk, that's fine, but the second he thinks it is somehow the same as the observance of the Sabbath day prior to Christ's perfect sacrifice then he is in error.

Why do you feel that Christ's sacrifice is insufficient to the point that one needs to observe a day of rest? Do you believe also that certain animals must be sacrificed also, as God commanded very specifically (including type of animal, type of offering, etc.)???
 
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The point that you miss is that the Sabbath is what is observed by men. Prior to Christ, it was commanded to be observed as a day and that's how men (Jews) observed it. After Christ, He became the Sabbath. Christians observe Christ as the Sabbath, not a day as the Sabbath. That is because in Christ the Sabbath is fulfilled. The purpose of the Sabbath was to give men "rest". "Rest" means taking a break from "work". "Work" was what man had to do prior to God's Gift of Salvation which is by Grace. We are not under work anymore - so what would a Sabbath Day of rest be a rest FROM?

Why do you feel that Christ's sacrifice is insufficient to the point that one needs to observe a day of rest? Do you believe also that certain animals must be sacrificed also, as God commanded very specifically (including type of animal, type of offering, etc.)???


I understand what you are saying but I fail to find anything in the bible that says Jesus is our sabbath. To rest in Jesus is one thing but even Jesus words are full of action, things we have to DO in order to be "saved". To just throw everything away at the cross is dangerous at best.

The sabbath was one of the TEN commandments that God wrote with His own finger on stone to show how immutable they are. When Jesus died on the cross the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom showing that the sacrificial service was ended. Jesus was the final lamb of God slain for our sins. The sacrificial service is what was nailed to the cross, not God's TEN commandments.

Here is the "LAW" or as Paul wrote Colossians 2:14-17 the "handwriting of ordinances that was against us" that was "nailed to the cross" , found in Deuteronomy:31:24: "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." Moses wrote all the ceremonial laws into a book and put that book into a compartment in the side of the ark of the covenant as a witness against the people.

Do you know what grace is for?
 
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I understand what you are saying but I fail to find anything in the bible that says Jesus is our sabbath.
Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So it is explained that things such as dietary laws and the Sabbath were a shadow of Christ who came later - HE is the substance of these laws, HE is the fulfillment of these laws. HE is the Sabbath and once He came and died on the cross we observe Him and not a day.

Romans 14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

This verse explains how each Christian has freedom to observe a day (such as the Sabbath) or not observe a day. There are no days a Christian is required to observe. Some esteem one day above another, others esteem every day alike, each man should be fully persuaded in his own mind. It's very clear here.

To rest in Jesus is one thing but even Jesus words are full of action, things we have to DO in order to be "saved".
Other than believing there is nothing we have to "do". That's the point of the Gospel, that salvation is FREE and does not require any kind of payment or work. As soon as you change that by saying there is some kind of work requirement such as observing the Sabbath day then you have denied the Gospel.

To just throw everything away at the cross is dangerous at best.
Who said to do that? I sure didn't.

The sabbath was one of the TEN commandments that God wrote with His own finger on stone to show how immutable they are. When Jesus died on the cross the veil of the temple was torn from top to bottom showing that the sacrificial service was ended. Jesus was the final lamb of God slain for our sins. The sacrificial service is what was nailed to the cross, not God's TEN commandments.

Here is the "LAW" or as Paul wrote Colossians 2:14-17 the "handwriting of ordinances that was against us" that was "nailed to the cross" , found in Deuteronomy:31:24: "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." Moses wrote all the ceremonial laws into a book and put that book into a compartment in the side of the ark of the covenant as a witness against the people.

Do you know what grace is for?
Yes, I know what grace is and what it's for. Do you?
 
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I have had some involvement with SDA over many decades.
As for Sabbath worship I do not see this as essential and possibly not in keeping with Christ's seemingly essential message.
Some have accused SDA of being latter day Galatians.
This is simply a personal consideration.
Many years ago The Pope was viewed as 666. Does this still apply?
Thank you.:wave:

It's very simple.

In Adventist Theology we believe that the 10 commandants which God wrote with his finger onto stone are the moral law which all human beings should follow. The Sabbath commandment is one of those ten laws. However there is no salvation in keeping the law but you do it anyway because that is what Christ who is God commanded. Our salvation is through faith in Christ alone by his grace. We can never earn our salvation.

God bless
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Colossians 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So it is explained that things such as dietary laws and the Sabbath were a shadow of Christ who came later - HE is the substance of these laws, HE is the fulfillment of these laws. HE is the Sabbath and once He came and died on the cross we observe Him and not a day.

Besides all this I do not judge anybody in regards to the sabbath, God does that. I just share that those who are deceiving people into believing SUNday is the sabbath will be severely judged, along with those who deceive people into calling SUNday the Lord's day when neither of these lies are supported by God's holy word tha KJV bible. Only opinions can be cited to prove either of these deceptions which are leading many to ruin.

Romans 14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

This verse explains how each Christian has freedom to observe a day (such as the Sabbath) or not observe a day. There are no days a Christian is required to observe. Some esteem one day above another, others esteem every day alike, each man should be fully persuaded in his own mind. It's very clear here.


Other than believing there is nothing we have to "do". That's the point of the Gospel, that salvation is FREE and does not require any kind of payment or work. As soon as you change that by saying there is some kind of work requirement such as observing the Sabbath day then you have denied the Gospel.


Who said to do that? I sure didn't.


Yes, I know what grace is and what it's for. Do you?

I am not trying to argue here. I just share what the bible states.

Many use these verses in Colossians to try to "nail" the TEN commandments to the cross, but this is not what Paul was even referring to. I will quote the whole context and show from the bible the meaning of them.
Colossians:2:14-17: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Is there any place in the bible that tells us that the TEN commandments are "against us" or "contrary to us"? Quite contrary is the fact that the TEN commandments are considered holy just and good according to Paul in Romans:7:12: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Paul is saying that the "law" is holy but the commandments are holy just and good.

Lets find out where the wording "against us" or contrary to us" are used or a form of those words to depict a law. We read in Deuteronomy:31:24-26: "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." Here we read about a law that was "a witness against" the Israelites. Are the TEN commandments ever referred to as a "witness against us". This law that Moses wrote in a book is the same one the was read when the high priest Hilkiah found it in the temple, and was read from then on. Do a study on "the book of the law" and you will find that it is different than the TEN commandments.

When we read Colossians 2:16 in this context we van read it like this, let no man judge in regards to meat offerings, drink offerings or holy days, nor feast days, which is the sabbath days which Paul was referring to. If you read about the feast days you will find that these days are called sabbath dayS plural. and here is a verse that separates the seventh day from the feast days, Leviticus:23:37&38: "These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day: Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD." Aside from the feast days the sabbath, the Lord's sabbath day and all our freewill offerings and vows must be kept. Far too many people do not study these things and rely on their pastor preist or denomination to interpret too much doctrine.

As for Romans 14 Paul does not even refer to worship or resting or any kind of keeping the day holy. This is referring to good days and bad days. Like John Denver said, some days are diamonds and some days are stones. I have personal worship every morning in prayer and bible study, with me and the Holy Spirit. I know the Holy Spirit is with me during my study because Jesus said He would be if we ask Him to be in Luke:11:13: "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

You say that there is nothing we have to do to have eternal life. Even though we are not to boastfully do any of what we are commanded to DO in the new testament these are requirements which if we do not do them we are lost. Works and obedience do not earn salvation but they are the fruit of faith. If we love we will do, John 14:15. Here is a very powerful verse to prove this point found in 1Corinthians:6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." I have witnessed many professors of Christianity openly doing these things and arguing that it is okay because they are "saved by grace". This is not negotiable, if we do these things we will not inherit the kingdom of God no matter much people might believe that grace removes their duty to obey God, ALL of God's requirements.

Which brings us to why grace was given. In Romans:1:5: we read; "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:" Grace was given FOR OBEDIENCE! Grace gives us the power to obey, because God's grace is made most evident at the cross, and Paul states in 1Corinthians:1:18: "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." When we are tempted all we have to do is look to the cross for victory through faith in the blood of Jesus. Those why say we do not have to DO anything to be saved had better open their bibles and read instead of listening to all the false teachers in every denomination, they all have them. I'm not saying that all teachers are false teachers, but most of them are, and no matter if they are or not if is our duty to assure our own salvation, not rely on any man 1John 2:27.

I hope you will study this out for yourself, Your salvation depends on it.
 
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his verse explains how each Christian has freedom to observe a day (such as the Sabbath) or not observe a day. There are no days a Christian is required to observe. Some esteem one day above another, others esteem every day alike, each man should be fully persuaded in his own mind. It's very clear here.
Let me ask you a question. It may seem unrelated but trust me, it is very relevant.

Lev 23.4 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.

Why is "feasts" an inaccurate translation here?
 
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Let me ask you a question. It may seem unrelated but trust me, it is very relevant.

Lev 23.4 ‘These are the feasts of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.

Why is "feasts" an inaccurate translation here?
It's not an inaccurate translation.
 
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Actually, it is.
Do the necessary digging into the Hebrew and answer my "Why?"
Actually, it's not, which is why you can't back it up. I don't have anything to prove here - I believe God's Word is perfect, you believe God's Word is imperfect. If you're going to call part of the Bible a lie then back it up.
 
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you believe God's Word is imperfect.
Not God's word - translations of God's word. "The translator is a traitor."
No translation is perfect. PERIOD.

The Original manuscripts were absolutely perfect.

I will give you a clue: the word translated "feasts" in that passage is moedim - the plural of moed. How is that word translated elsewhere in scripture?
 
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One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
SDA teach the person who eats kosher is stronger than the person who eats everything. This is opposite of what Paul has written in the bible.

But this is clearly a change from Christian law to Levi law so some things have changed under Christ as he declared all food clean. This is clearly one of the many changes he made. Of course Christ upheld mosaic law till his death and he had trained the disciples to bring in Christianity.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.

Why did Paul say this ???

We need to keep Paul's writings in perspective. What Paul writes about is spiritual. The SDA denomination has done a health study that has been ongoing for close to 40 years. This study has proven many things about health, the most revealing parts of this study relate to longevity. The vegetarian lives on average 10 years longer and the vegan lives 15 years longer. Longevity is not the only exciting point of this study, but quality of life is another point that cannot be denied. Of course one person who eats right will be stronger than one who does not. Notice that Paul was referring to "weak in the faith". Not in the body. To think that a starving person in africa can be as strong as a body builder who has a great diet are the same in regards to health????

As for those who esteem one day above another??? Again this has nothing to do with worship. Paul never mentions worship, sacred, anything of that nature in the verses he wrote in Romans:14:5&6: "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks." Some days we wake up and have a great day. Like John Denver stated "some days are diamonds, some days are stones." This context has nothing to do with worship. Just like eating has some but little to do with our relationship with God. Thought some foods will cloud our thinking they should not sever our relationship with Him.
 
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Spiritually, Christians don't need a day of rest. We observe the Sabbath by observing that Christ has given us permanent rest from having to do spiritual work to obey the law. We now obey the law out of love and obedience, not out of spiritual necessity.

Continuing to observe a day as the Sabbath is denying that Christ is our Sabbath, our Perfect and Eternal Rest. I don't understand why Seventh-day Adventists and other Sabbatarians stick to this if they are saved. I would love an explanation. So far all I have seen is that Sabbatarians seem to still believe we need a rest. Rest from what? Works? The Law? Christ has given us rest. He has quenched our thirst such that we never thirst again.

Really having a hard time understanding Sabbatarianism, would love to hear a better explanation as to how someone thinks this honors Christ and His Redemptive work for us.

Where are we told that "Christ is our sabbath"?

You ask why SDAs keep the seventh day sabbath? The simple reason is that God told all His children to. Through a study of God's holy word the KJV bible we find that the forth commandment was instituted on the seventh day of creation when God hallowed the seventh day, then, as a blessing to His people He wrote His holy just and good law on stone with His finger, and to top it off He said in the forth commandment to "remember" the sabbath day to keep IT holy. He did not say to keep whatever day we choose holy. THE seventh day has been saturday since the name saturday has been used as a title for that day, and even before then. I have a document of that shows the seven days of the week in over 150 languages. A very small percentage of that document uses the word saturday or any kind of reference to saturn. MOST of them use the word sabbath in some form, like shabat, sabado, etc. To figure what day is the sabbath (the Lord's day) is a no brainer.

NOW! Many want to use Hebrews 4 to prove somehow that "Jesus is our sabbath". This is far from the truth. The sabbath of hebrews 4 is the heavenly canaan that we are heading for. If you notice that the author of Hebrews refers to entering into that rest lest we fall after the same example of unbelief. The Israelites had to wonder 40 years because of this unbelief which kept them out of the promised land. Many are falling after the same example of unbelief because they do not observed God's blessed, sanctified, and holy rest day, the seventh day sabbath. BUT Hebrews 4:9 uses the word sabbatismos (sp), derived from sabbaton, which means the seventh day sabbath rest. To say that the seventh day sabbath is not in the new testament shows a grave lack of study.
 
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John, God sanctified it and hallowed it, made it Holy, at creation... do you think He made a mistake? This isn't something that God would arbitrarily change, especially without a 'thus sayeth the Lord'.... Jesus would have surely taught that the day that He hallowed at creation was now going to be different, don't ya think? Obviously, the seventh day Sabbath is important to God... it's not so much for us it seems.

Have you ever asked yourself why the fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember'? Did God know we'd forget?
Hit that one right on point...
 
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ArmenianJohn said-
I don't understand why Seventh-day Adventists and other Sabbatarians stick to this if they are saved. I would love an explanation. So far all I have seen is that Sabbatarians seem to still believe we need a rest. Rest from what? Works? The Law? Christ has given us rest. He has quenched our thirst such that we never thirst again.
Exodus 20:9-10-
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

A rest from .....everything. Life in general. Self, the world. Name it. Yes, Christ gives living water "to those that obey Him". He gives us freewill. We don't HAVE to do anything. It's a choice. That's the beauty of it. Without choice, there would be no love.
 
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ArmenianJohn said-
I don't understand why Seventh-day Adventists and other Sabbatarians stick to this if they are saved.
Really?
Y'SHUA OBVIOUSLY IS ETERNAL/ SAVED/ NEVER GOING TO DIE.
Y'SHUA always does everything HIS FATHER says to do -
Y'SHUA always keeps TORAH PERFECTLY.
Otherwise,
any sin,
and POOF ! no more (whatever is affected) !!!!
 
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Not God's word - translations of God's word. "The translator is a traitor."
No translation is perfect. PERIOD.

The Original manuscripts were absolutely perfect.

I agree, too bad there are no original manuscripts from the original bible authors. Who knows some might surface and blow everyone away. A lot is being discovered these days with all the new technologies they are using to look into the ground.

On the other hand I thank God that He uses errant humans like you and I to do His perfect work.
 
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