The Rapture - 2020?

keras · Oct 25, 2016

Straightshot said:
So 1948 was not the beginning of the 70th week, only an event leading up to the time frame .... nothing can be measured from 1948 to predict the beginning of the 70th week which is an exact defined period of time

Nobody said the 70th 'week' [the last 7 years before the Return] commenced in 1948.
What DID commence then, was a generation of people born from May 1948, all people, who provided they survive to the normal [Biblical; Psalms 90:10] lifespan of 70 years; then they will see all these things and know the end is near, at the very door. Matthew 24:33-34

Straightshot said:
Wrong again, the Lord has a temple in heaven
.... and those who worship therein are the pre-tribulation ecclesia

Yes, God does have a Temple in heaven and the souls of the martyrs are kept under the Altar.
So the only way people can get there is to be killed for their faith.

Straightshot said:
In contrast there is no temple of the Lord's on the mount in 11:2 .... either before, or during the tribulation period

Why must you refute scripture? Major1 in #79 posts proofs of the new Temple.

Straightshot · Oct 25, 2016

There will not be a temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation

Give the scriptures that support your claim

keras · Oct 25, 2016

Straightshot said:
There will not be a temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation
Give the scriptures that support your claim

We have done that:

keras said:
Why must you refute scripture? Major1 in #79 posts proofs of the new Temple.

Also there is the very detailed plans and ordinances for the new Temple in Ezekiel 40-48
Making pronouncements like 'there will not be a Temple.....', as you do, just shows you haven't studied the prophesies properly. As a 'rapture outta here' believer, I suppose you don't care what happens to those who stay behind anyway. Those who 'chose', as you put it, to disbelieve the unscriptural nonsense of the rapture.

Major1 · Oct 25, 2016

Straightshot said:
The return in 1948 is just a runner up to the coming 70th week decreed for Israel still pending as we speak

A remnant of the nation must be in the land to experience the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; Zechariah 14]

The Lord's reference to a fig tree has to do with knowing when summer is near in Israel, and so He says when you see these things that He refers to you will know that His second advent to Israel is near

So 1948 was not the beginning of the 70th week, only an event leading up to the time frame .... nothing can be measured from 1948 to predict the beginning of the 70th week which is an exact defined period of time

Agreed. That generation of people that will be alive on the earth when the Last Days come about, would witness what He called the "fig tree" blooming, and putting forth it's leaves. And He equated that with the fulfillment of His End Time prophecy. So what or who is the "fig tree"? It would be the Jews returning to the Promised land on May 14, 1948.

The 2nd Coming of Christ will be determined from the event of the Rapture. When it happens, the Jews will be in Israel as they are right now and will then be judged through the 7 year Tribulation Period ending with Armageddon.

From the Rapture, 7 years are determined which according to Daniel begins with a SEVEN YEAR peace treaty.

Major1 · Oct 25, 2016

Straightshot said:
There will not be a temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation

Give the scriptures that support your claim

I DID! Comment #79.

To tell you the brutal truth, I find it incredulous for you to be on a web site about 2nd Coming Theology and be arguing something that is so plainly
presented in the Bible.

Maybe the time spent here could be better spent in Bible study. Just a thought.

Butch5 · Oct 25, 2016

Major1 said:
The fig tree example from Jesus is said to be the example of the Jews being established back into the Promised Land which actually happened on May 14, 1948.

I don't think 1948 fits the bill. That was not done by God it was done by man.

keras · Oct 25, 2016

Butch5 said:
I don't think 1948 fits the bill. That was not done by God it was done by man.

There is no doubt God had a Hand in it!
I visited Safed in Northern Israel and at the 1948 war monument, it says a platoon of Jewish soldiers came up to the heavily defended fort there and lobbed in a few mortars. The next morning they found the place empty, the Arabs had gone; thinking an overwhelming force was attacking them!
Then all the supernatural help they got in every attack since. Some incredible stories about that.

Major1 · Oct 26, 2016

Butch5 said:
I don't think 1948 fits the bill. That was not done by God it was done by man.

Not so my brother.

Romans 8:28 clearly says that......
"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

God placed the Jews back into the Promised land just as He placed them there with Joshua.

It is ALL part of God's plan.

Straightshot · Oct 26, 2016

"Maybe the time spent here could be better spent in Bible study. Just a thought."

How about 45 years and on going

And I will tell anyone on this forum that 1948 was at the Lord's hand .... He has a purpose .... all scripted in His prophetic word

Israel has to be in the land during the coming tribulation .... and when He is ready, He will bring it ..... no doubt

And there will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation .... not in the cards [Revelation 11:2]

The temple that the "antichrist" will grandstand in is already on the mount .... the temple of his "god", the Muslim "god" "Allah" who is a cover for Satan

Major1 · Oct 26, 2016

Straightshot said:
"Maybe the time spent here could be better spent in Bible study. Just a thought."

How about 45 years and on going

And I will tell anyone on this forum that 1948 was at the Lord's hand .... He has a purpose .... all scripted in His prophetic word

Israel has to be in the land during the coming tribulation .... and when He is ready, He will bring it ..... no doubt

And there will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation .... not in the cards [Revelation 11:2]

The temple that the "antichrist" will grandstand in is already on the mount .... the temple of his "god", the Muslim "god" "Allah" who is a cover for Satan

With all 45 years of study, and you being able to drive a car and go to the bathroom by yourself, you actually think that the Jews will go into and worship in a MUSLIM temple.

You need to think again my brother. That will not happen and if you knew the Jewish mind set, you would know how preposterous that thought is.

Butch5 · Oct 26, 2016

keras said:
There is no doubt God had a Hand in it!
I visited Safed in Northern Israel and at the 1948 war monument, it says a platoon of Jewish soldiers came up to the heavily defended fort there and lobbed in a few mortars. The next morning they found the place empty, the Arabs had gone; thinking an overwhelming force was attacking them!
Then all the supernatural help they got in every attack since. Some incredible stories about that.

That doesn't really prove it though. The problem is there are no sacrifice and there is no temple. When the Jews returned after thr Babylonian captivity they immediately began the sacrifices. There's really no way to know that God put the Jews there in 48.

Butch5 · Oct 26, 2016

That passage doesn't prove th

Major1 said:
Not so my brother.

Romans 8:28 clearly says that......
"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

God placed the Jews back into the Promised land just as He placed them there with Joshua.

It is ALL part of God's plan.

That passage doesn't prove that God put the Jews there. Paul said that they would

Major1 said:
Not so my brother.

Romans 8:28 clearly says that......
"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

God placed the Jews back into the Promised land just as He placed them there with Joshua.

It is ALL part of God's plan.

That passage doesn't prove that God put them there.

Straightshot · Oct 26, 2016

"With all 45 years of study, and you being able to drive a car and go to the bathroom by yourself, you actually think that the Jews will go into and worship in a MUSLIM temple."

Watch your bathroom talk dude .... I can report you

Now you listen to me

There is no scripture that tells of Jews to worship in a Muslim temple .... or any temple on the mount during the tribulation .... there will not be a Jewish temple on the mount [Revelation 11:2]

There will not be a temple of the Jews on the mount to worship in .... the mount will be over run by the little horn and his Muslim followers

Israel will be subdued, killed, and the ones that survive will have to flee [Zechariah 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

Major1 · Oct 26, 2016

Butch5 said:
That passage doesn't prove th

That passage doesn't prove that God put the Jews there. Paul said that they would

That passage doesn't prove that God put them there.

That passage Butch say that it is God who is in control of ALL things and the fact that the Jews came back to the Promised Land in 1948 is considered ALL.

If God did not place the Jews back into Israel.......WHO DID my brother????

Is. 11:11-12.......
"Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Ezekiel 38:8........
"After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."

My dear brother, if you get this one wrong, you will get all of the rest of prophecy wrong.

THE essential ingredient for the fulfillment of bible prophecies in the last days that was not present until May 14th, 1948, is the nation of Israel. Without the existence of Israel, the presence of the other signs would mean nothing. The end time events revolve around this little country, which seems to be constantly in the news. It is important to understand that the rebirth of Israel was a prophetic event, predicted in the Bible, and brought forth by the direct will of God. To see that this is so, we must examine who it was that scattered the Jewish people and who would bring them back to the Land of Israel.

Major1 · Oct 26, 2016

Straightshot said:
"With all 45 years of study, and you being able to drive a car and go to the bathroom by yourself, you actually think that the Jews will go into and worship in a MUSLIM temple."

Watch your bathroom talk dude .... I can report you

Now you listen to me

There is no scripture that tells of Jews to worship in a Muslim temple .... or any temple on the mount during the tribulation .... there will not be a Jewish temple on the mount [Revelation 11:2]

There will not be a temple of the Jews on the mount to worship in .... the mount will be over run by the little horn and his Muslim followers

Israel will be subdued, killed, and the ones that survive will have to flee [Zechariah 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

I have no desire or need to listen to you "dude". Have a good life.

Major1 · Oct 26, 2016

Butch5 said:
That doesn't really prove it though. The problem is there are no sacrifice and there is no temple. When the Jews returned after thr Babylonian captivity they immediately began the sacrifices. There's really no way to know that God put the Jews there in 48.

Then WHO did?

Straightshot · Oct 26, 2016

"I have no desire or need to listen to you "dude". Have a good life"

I have a good life

Study on

Butch5 · Oct 26, 2016

Major1 said:
That passage Butch say that it is God who is in control of ALL things and the fact that the Jews came back to the Promised Land in 1948 is considered ALL.

If God did not place the Jews back into Israel.......WHO DID my brother????

Is. 11:11-12.......
"Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover the second time with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Ezekiel 38:8........
"After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."

My dear brother, if you get this one wrong, you will get all of the rest of prophecy wrong.

THE essential ingredient for the fulfillment of bible prophecies in the last days that was not present until May 14th, 1948, is the nation of Israel. Without the existence of Israel, the presence of the other signs would mean nothing. The end time events revolve around this little country, which seems to be constantly in the news. It is important to understand that the rebirth of Israel was a prophetic event, predicted in the Bible, and brought forth by the direct will of God. To see that this is so, we must examine who it was that scattered the Jewish people and who would bring them back to the Land of Israel.

Just because Israel is in the land it doesn't mean that God did it. Look at the prophecy you quoted from Ezekiel. Is all of Israel living in peace? Far from it. Besides, the Promised land is, much much, larger than the land that is now called Israel. Are you expecting Israel to be kicked out of the land and gathered a third time when they would receive "all" of the Promised Land?

Butch5 · Oct 26, 2016

Major1 said:
Then WHO did?

The Allies.

Straightshot · Oct 26, 2016

"There's really no way to know that God put the Jews there in 48."

Believe that He has done this for His purposes [Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44]

The first return from the Babylonian captivity .... the second return from the nations after 2000 years of dispersion .... not a third

Israel is in the land and miraculously protected by His hand

The tiny nation of 9 million is surrounded by 400 million vitriolic Muslims who have attempted to annihilate it several times and without success

They live securely against overwhelming odds but the days is coming when He will pressure them and 1/3 will turn to their Messiah and King [Ezekiel 20:33-44; Zechariah 13:8-9]

The Lord is going to destroy the Muslim enemy at the battle of Armageddon, expand the land of Israel to the Euphrates River, and rule from Jerusalem in person for 1000 years [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; 39; Micah 1:1-3; 5; Joel 2; 3; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Revelation 14:14-20; 19:11-21]

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