The 1,000 Year Reign Of Christ? Literal or Figurative? (Full Preterism)

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Jeremiah 25 is commenting on the Babylonian Captivity which lasted precisely 70 years.

Genesis is commenting on the Egyptian bondage of the Israelites.

Agreed. So both of these prophetic durations are precise. How about these: Genesis 7:4, Genesis 41:30, Numbers 14:33; did these also "last precisely" the duration in days/years? If every other temporal prophecy is measured precisely according to the prophecy, what possesses you to completely abandon all other bible precedent, and suddenly begin thinking that one temporal prophecy in the Revelation is not precise? If you agree that, like every single other temporal prophecy given in scripture, this is a precise duration of 1,000 years; what do you propose as the start year and end year?
 
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But the 1000 years is not guaranteed to be a time of peace.

As mentioned earlier, the 1000 years is as a day.
Zephaniah 1:7-10
"Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

In the same day also will I punish all those that leap on the threshold, which fill their masters' houses with violence and deceit."

Zephaniah 1:14-18
"The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land."
It is still the year of GOD's FAVOR which is why THE GOSPEL is preached now

There are a few things that have not yet happened before the 1000 year reign
And there is one final thing that will only happen after the 1000 year reign
 
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Agreed. So both of these prophetic durations are precise. How about these: Genesis 7:4, Genesis 41:30, Numbers 14:33; did these also "last precisely" the duration in days/years? If every other temporal prophecy is measured precisely according to the prophecy, what possesses you to completely abandon all other bible precedent, and suddenly begin thinking that one temporal prophecy in the Revelation is not precise? If you agree that, like every single other temporal prophecy given in scripture, this is a precise duration of 1,000 years; what do you propose as the start year and end year?
The start year. The beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire

The end year. The rest of the dead are raised and the dragon and those whose names are not found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire
 
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It is still the year of GOD's FAVOR which is why THE GOSPEL is preached now

There are a few things that have not yet happened before the 1000 year reign
And there is one final thing that will only happen after the 1000 year reign


It can't be the year of God's favor or else it would be 365,000 years worth. 1 day is as a thousand years. For God to have 365 days, or 365,000 years, would make it a very long time.
 
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It can't be the year of God's favor or else it would be 365,000 years worth. 1 day is as a thousand years. For God to have 365 days, or 365,000 years, would make it a very long time.
You do realize that the one day is as a thousand years
does not refer to days nor to years in YHWH'S PLAN
all the time, right ? (except that time passing with YHWH is not at all like it is for us(or mankind) ) .
 
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You do realize that the one day is as a thousand years
does not refer to days nor to years in YHWH'S PLAN
all the time, right ? (except that time passing with YHWH is not at all like it is for us(or mankind) ) .
i hear that God is always loving and very patient, yes. I do know He is patient. But I do also know that what He says He says and I am not allowed to change what He has said no matter how much He loves me or how much I love Him. Otherwise, I will begin speaking for Him soon. What He has told me through His Word is the only allowance I have to repeat what was said. I cannot add nor subtract from what He has told me from His Word. I can connect, but not add nor subtract. Connecting is also known as cross-referencing.
 
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i hear that God is always loving and very patient, yes. I do know He is patient. But I do also know that what He says He says and I am not allowed to change what He has said no matter how much He loves me or how much I love Him. Otherwise, I will begin speaking for Him soon. What He has told me through His Word is the only allowance I have to repeat what was said. I cannot add nor subtract from what He has told me from His Word. I can connect, but not add nor subtract. Connecting is also known as cross-referencing.
One reason why so many people and scholars out in the world say that The Holy Bible has discrepancies is because they have not learned to cross reference. They take 1 verse as the only verse. But when 1 verse is referenced to another verse on the same matter, a clearer picture comes visible and less 'interpreting' is needed. And to cross reference does not mean with only 2 or 3 verses. The whole entire Holy Bible speaks about the same thing in many different verses.

1-Turning away from evil
2-what evil does to innocent people
3-worshipping false gods
4-keeping God's Laws is not a 'You Must' but more of a 'it is much more beneficial to keep you away from evil'...
5-Once you are sure you are with God, don't turn away.
6-Once you are with God, know He is always there.

etc etc etc...
 
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i hear that God is always loving and very patient, yes. I do know He is patient. But I do also know that what He says He says and I am not allowed to change what He has said no matter how much He loves me or how much I love Him. Otherwise, I will begin speaking for Him soon. What He has told me through His Word is the only allowance I have to repeat what was said. I cannot add nor subtract from what He has told me from His Word. I can connect, but not add nor subtract. Connecting is also known as cross-referencing.
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None of what you just posted changes what I said,
nor that sometimes when YHWH(GOD) says 15 years
HE means 15 years and not a gazillion......

As when HE told the man in answer to prayer that HE was granting him 15 more years of life.
(quite possibly, exactly 15 years were granted him).

So applying what is true in one place of SCRIPTURE to other places without YHWH meaning it,
is not correct.
 
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One reason why so many people and scholars out in the world say that The Holy Bible has discrepancies is because they have not learned to cross reference. They take 1 verse as the only verse. But when 1 verse is referenced to another verse on the same matter, a clearer picture comes visible and less 'interpreting' is needed.
NO interpreting is needed when YHWH reveals from HEAVEN as Y'SHUA and Yochanan the immerser and the apostles and prophets and disciples all showed in HIS WORD and in their lives.
 
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One reason why so many people and scholars out in the world say that The Holy Bible has discrepancies is because they have not learned to cross reference. They take 1 verse as the only verse. But when 1 verse is referenced to another verse on the same matter, a clearer picture comes visible and less 'interpreting' is needed. And to cross reference does not mean with only 2 or 3 verses. The whole entire Holy Bible speaks about the same thing in many different verses.

1-Turning away from evil
2-what evil does to innocent people
3-worshipping false gods
4-keeping God's Laws is not a 'You Must' but more of a 'it is much more beneficial to keep you away from evil'...
5-Once you are sure you are with God, don't turn away.
6-Once you are with God, know He is always there.

etc etc etc...

Let's take for instance the subject of Sabbath.

Some people say this and others say that. Cross referencing verses on the Sabbath, what was done and allowed on the Sabbath, commandments of the Sabbath, cross referencing what certain 'words' are defined as.... What does no 'servile' work mean? Does that mean no work at all? What does servile work mean? The Israelites didn't gather on the Sabbath, but they ate. They might not have cooked, but they ate. Is eating not a servile work but gathering for food is?

But if a person is truly interested, he/she will find the answers in The Holy Bible. And there will be no discrepancy and much less necessity for personal interpretation using different symbolisms.

Exodus 16:13
"And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host."

Are we sure that they were 'quails' and not 'doves' or 'phesants'?
 
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Agreed. So both of these prophetic durations are precise. How about these: Genesis 7:4, Genesis 41:30, Numbers 14:33; did these also "last precisely" the duration in days/years? If every other temporal prophecy is measured precisely according to the prophecy, what possesses you to completely abandon all other bible precedent, and suddenly begin thinking that one temporal prophecy in the Revelation is not precise? If you agree that, like every single other temporal prophecy given in scripture, this is a precise duration of 1,000 years; what do you propose as the start year and end year?

What is the First Resurrection?

The First Resurrection is Spiritual and ethical, our regeneration in Christ and union with God, our re-creation in His image, our participation in His Resurrection. This interpretation is confirmed by St. John's description of those in the First Resurrection - it completely corresponds with everything he tells us elsewhere about the elect:

Blessed: Revelation 1:3; Revelation 14:13; Revelation 16:15; Revelation 19:9; Revelation 22:7, 14

Holy: Revelation 5:8; Revelation 8:3-4; Revelation 11:18; Revelation 13:7, 10; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 16:6; Revelation 17:6; Revelation 18:20, 24; Revelation 19:8; Revelation 20:9; Revelation 21:2, 10

Priests: Revelation 1:6; Revelation 5:10

Second Death: Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:14

Reigning With Christ: Revelation 2:26-27; Revelation 3:21; Revelation 4:4; Revelation 11:15-16; Revelation 12:10

Indeed, St. John began his prophecy by telling his readers that all Christians are royal priests (1:6); and the consistent message of the New Testament, as we have seen repeatedly, is that God's people are now seated with Christ, reigning in His Kingdom (Ephesians 1:20-22; Ephesians 2:6; Colossians 1:13; 1 Peter 2:9). The greatest error in dealing with the Millennium of Revelation 20 is the failure to recognize that it speaks of present realities of the Christian life. The Bible is clear: through Baptism, we have been resurrected to eternal life and rule with Christ now, in this age. The First Resurrection is taking place now. [David Chilton when he wrote this was an amillennial partial preterist but had since converted to full preterism before his death.] Jesus Christ is reigning now (Acts of the Apostles 2:29-36; Revelation 1:5).


David Chilton, Days of Vengeance
 
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What is the First Resurrection?

The First Resurrection is Spiritual and ethical, our regeneration in Christ and union with God, our re-creation in His image, our participation in His Resurrection. This interpretation is confirmed by St. John's description of those in the First Resurrection - it completely corresponds with everything he tells us elsewhere about the elect:

Blessed: Revelation 1:3; Revelation 14:13; Revelation 16:15; Revelation 19:9; Revelation 22:7, 14

Holy: Revelation 5:8; Revelation 8:3-4; Revelation 11:18; Revelation 13:7, 10; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 16:6; Revelation 17:6; Revelation 18:20, 24; Revelation 19:8; Revelation 20:9; Revelation 21:2, 10

Priests: Revelation 1:6; Revelation 5:10

Second Death: Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:14

Reigning With Christ: Revelation 2:26-27; Revelation 3:21; Revelation 4:4; Revelation 11:15-16; Revelation 12:10

Indeed, St. John began his prophecy by telling his readers that all Christians are royal priests (1:6); and the consistent message of the New Testament, as we have seen repeatedly, is that God's people are now seated with Christ, reigning in His Kingdom (Ephesians 1:20-22; Ephesians 2:6; Colossians 1:13; 1 Peter 2:9). The greatest error in dealing with the Millennium of Revelation 20 is the failure to recognize that it speaks of present realities of the Christian life. The Bible is clear: through Baptism, we have been resurrected to eternal life and rule with Christ now, in this age. The First Resurrection is taking place now. [David Chilton when he wrote this was an amillennial partial preterist but had since converted to full preterism before his death.] Jesus Christ is reigning now (Acts of the Apostles 2:29-36; Revelation 1:5).


David Chilton, Days of Vengeance

Am I to understand that you simply have no wish to answer the questions I'm asking of you? If so, simply say so, it will not offend me. There's no real need to spend your time cutting and pasting the words of others which have no relevancy to he question being asked.
 
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It can't be the year of God's favor or else it would be 365,000 years worth. 1 day is as a thousand years. For God to have 365 days, or 365,000 years, would make it a very long time.
Until all things have been accomplished it is still the year of GOD's favor
 
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The whole Book of Revelation is about the divorce of Israel and its final judgment. Chapter 19 is speaking about the divorce that happened in A.D. 70. It is not about a literally descent of Christ on a horse with an army of saints. But at the destruction of the Mosaic Covenant came the Resurrection - Daniel 12:1-7, Hebrews 9:8, Hebrews 9:26-28, Revelation 15, Revelation 20.

Only four nations in the whole Old Testament are referred to as a harlot... Israel, Judah, Tyre, and Nineveh. These are the only nations God made a covenant with. Thus they are the only nations labeled as harlots because they broke their covenants with God.

Thus Babylonian harlot, Israel was taken captive to Babylon and when it was regathered back into the land it took with it Babylonian legalistic rabbinical traditions, that is what Jesus referred to as the "Traditions of the Elders" aka what was later compiled and canonized into the Talmud of modern Judaism.

Jesus referred to the followers of this corruption of the Torah as children of the Devil John 8:44, and Revelation refers to them as the Synagogue of Satan.

The "1,000" year reign is the resurrection of the saints and martyrs into Heaven where they reign with Christ forever more.

randomperson,

1. Revelation is not about the divorce of Israel and its final judgement.
The divorce happened in Jesus ministry and the judgement was in A.D. 70.
John didn't write Revelation until the 90's A.D.
Revelation is about Israel's restoration and its fulfillment of the covenants of Abraham and David specifically to the nation of Israel and not the church of today.

2. The divorce didn't happen in Revelation 19 for that is the second coming of Christ with his saints to the battle of Armageddon and it will be literal at that time and Armageddon is future. There was no battle of Armageddon in 70 A.D.

3. The only resurrection that happened at the time of Jesus being resurrected was Jesus and some others who went into the city.

4. Daniel 12 is prophetic still to the tribulation and the resurrection is about there being a resurrection of the dead and a resurrection of the righteous. This is why your name fits as random person because you don't understand specific contexts and how to reconcile them with scriptures.

5. Revelation 15 has to do with those in the time of Jacob's trouble which is jewish and they sing the song of Moses and the lamb and are the last ones to be raptured before the kingdom beast worshippers are destroyed in the 7 vials of the Wrath of God. This didn't happen in 70 A. D. Revelation 20 is after the battle of Armageddon and will last a literal 1000 years when Satan is bound in the bottomless pit and then loosed for a season. Satan has never been bound in the bottomless pit at any time in history and therefore has never been loosed. You have no biblical or historical proof except for made up man made history.

6. Israel and Judah had a covenant with God contained in the Torah and the redemptive plan of God. Tyre and Nineveh didn't have this just because they repented. They were heathen nations and not the chosen people of God. So the truth is that any heathen could be considered a harlot spiritually and they were.

7. Egypt was the first harlot used by God to chastise Israel, then Assyria, then Babylon, then Greece, then Rome and in the future it will be the Revised Roman Empire and then the Antichrist kingdom who will be of the 7th and will be the eighth Revelation 17.

7. Ancient Babylon of Genesis 6 with Nimrod was the beginning of harlots and will most likely be the last of sorts.

8. I understand the Babylonian Talmud came out of Babylon. It was the part of the rabbincal traditions of the apostate jewish leadership in Jesus days and that is true. They were the children of the Devil in John 8:44.

9. You are wrong about Revelation 2 and 3. Those were the 7 churches of Asia and not fully jewish. The synagogue of Satan was jews but the seat of Satan was Rome and the Caesars were the Gods of that and filtered through the Roman Catholic Church. This seat started in Babylon in Nimrod's day and eventually the Caesar's took those traditions of the Babylonians and moved to Pergamos.

10. The 1000 year reign is all the saints in the Kingdom of Heaven where Christ will rule with a rod of Iron and so will the saints. Psalm 2:9 and Revelation 2:26-27, and Revelation 12 etc.

11. After the 1000 years Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet have been for 1000 years which was right before the binding of Satan in chains in the bottomless pit.

12. The Great White Throne Judgement will the take place and then the New Heaven and the New Earth and this is where the Son will give the kingdom back to the father so God can be all in all and then all the universe will be in perfect harmony as in the very beginning when there was only God. Read Revelation 21 and 22 and 1 Corinthians 15. You have incorrect biblical history and incorrect biblical context.

13. You take a few true facts and allegorize and use more improper hermeneutics than you can shake a stick at? And why? Because you don't want Israel to inherit their covenants or because you think the church is supposed to inherit those? As usual you are wrong. Jerry Kelso
 
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It can't be the year of God's favor or else it would be 365,000 years worth. 1 day is as a thousand years. For God to have 365 days, or 365,000 years, would make it a very long time.
It is still the year of GOD's FAVOR

And CHRIST's ministry is two fold
 
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i hear that God is always loving and very patient, yes. I do know He is patient. But I do also know that what He says He says and I am not allowed to change what He has said no matter how much He loves me or how much I love Him. Otherwise, I will begin speaking for Him soon. What He has told me through His Word is the only allowance I have to repeat what was said. I cannot add nor subtract from what He has told me from His Word. I can connect, but not add nor subtract. Connecting is also known as cross-referencing.
Do you believe that there are other servants of THE LORD who are also shouting out what HE has been whispered to them in private

And they also do not add or take away from the WORD
 
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Let's take for instance the subject of Sabbath.

Some people say this and others say that. Cross referencing verses on the Sabbath, what was done and allowed on the Sabbath, commandments of the Sabbath, cross referencing what certain 'words' are defined as.... What does no 'servile' work mean? Does that mean no work at all? What does servile work mean? The Israelites didn't gather on the Sabbath, but they ate. They might not have cooked, but they ate. Is eating not a servile work but gathering for food is?

But if a person is truly interested, he/she will find the answers in The Holy Bible. And there will be no discrepancy and much less necessity for personal interpretation using different symbolisms.

Exodus 16:13
"And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host."

Are we sure that they were 'quails' and not 'doves' or 'phesants'?
what does the quails have to do with the manna whichbfreely came firm from heaven?

Do you remember why quail was introduced to begin with?

The people wanted more than what GOD in HIS GRACE had provided them

And, if you'll remember, unlike the manna, the people had to work extra hard to gather the quail
 
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What is the First Resurrection?

The First Resurrection is Spiritual and ethical, our regeneration in Christ and union with God, our re-creation in His image, our participation in His Resurrection. This interpretation is confirmed by St. John's description of those in the First Resurrection - it completely corresponds with everything he tells us elsewhere about the elect:

Blessed: Revelation 1:3; Revelation 14:13; Revelation 16:15; Revelation 19:9; Revelation 22:7, 14

Holy: Revelation 5:8; Revelation 8:3-4; Revelation 11:18; Revelation 13:7, 10; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 16:6; Revelation 17:6; Revelation 18:20, 24; Revelation 19:8; Revelation 20:9; Revelation 21:2, 10

Priests: Revelation 1:6; Revelation 5:10

Second Death: Revelation 2:11; Revelation 20:14

Reigning With Christ: Revelation 2:26-27; Revelation 3:21; Revelation 4:4; Revelation 11:15-16; Revelation 12:10

Indeed, St. John began his prophecy by telling his readers that all Christians are royal priests (1:6); and the consistent message of the New Testament, as we have seen repeatedly, is that God's people are now seated with Christ, reigning in His Kingdom (Ephesians 1:20-22; Ephesians 2:6; Colossians 1:13; 1 Peter 2:9). The greatest error in dealing with the Millennium of Revelation 20 is the failure to recognize that it speaks of present realities of the Christian life. The Bible is clear: through Baptism, we have been resurrected to eternal life and rule with Christ now, in this age. The First Resurrection is taking place now. [David Chilton when he wrote this was an amillennial partial preterist but had since converted to full preterism before his death.] Jesus Christ is reigning now (Acts of the Apostles 2:29-36; Revelation 1:5).


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So what you are saying is that 2 Thessalonians 2 has already occurred?
 
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randomperson,

1. Revelation is not about the divorce of Israel and its final judgement.
The divorce happened in Jesus ministry and the judgement was in A.D. 70.
John didn't write Revelation until the 90's A.D.
Revelation is about Israel's restoration and its fulfillment of the covenants of Abraham and David specifically to the nation of Israel and not the church of today.

2. The divorce didn't happen in Revelation 19 for that is the second coming of Christ with his saints to the battle of Armageddon and it will be literal at that time and Armageddon is future. There was no battle of Armageddon in 70 A.D.

3. The only resurrection that happened at the time of Jesus being resurrected was Jesus and some others who went into the city.

4. Daniel 12 is prophetic still to the tribulation and the resurrection is about there being a resurrection of the dead and a resurrection of the righteous. This is why your name fits as random person because you don't understand specific contexts and how to reconcile them with scriptures.

5. Revelation 15 has to do with those in the time of Jacob's trouble which is jewish and they sing the song of Moses and the lamb and are the last ones to be raptured before the kingdom beast worshippers are destroyed in the 7 vials of the Wrath of God. This didn't happen in 70 A. D. Revelation 20 is after the battle of Armageddon and will last a literal 1000 years when Satan is bound in the bottomless pit and then loosed for a season. Satan has never been bound in the bottomless pit at any time in history and therefore has never been loosed. You have no biblical or historical proof except for made up man made history.

6. Israel and Judah had a covenant with God contained in the Torah and the redemptive plan of God. Tyre and Nineveh didn't have this just because they repented. They were heathen nations and not the chosen people of God. So the truth is that any heathen could be considered a harlot spiritually and they were.

7. Egypt was the first harlot used by God to chastise Israel, then Assyria, then Babylon, then Greece, then Rome and in the future it will be the Revised Roman Empire and then the Antichrist kingdom who will be of the 7th and will be the eighth Revelation 17.

7. Ancient Babylon of Genesis 6 with Nimrod was the beginning of harlots and will most likely be the last of sorts.

8. I understand the Babylonian Talmud came out of Babylon. It was the part of the rabbincal traditions of the apostate jewish leadership in Jesus days and that is true. They were the children of the Devil in John 8:44.

9. You are wrong about Revelation 2 and 3. Those were the 7 churches of Asia and not fully jewish. The synagogue of Satan was jews but the seat of Satan was Rome and the Caesars were the Gods of that and filtered through the Roman Catholic Church. This seat started in Babylon in Nimrod's day and eventually the Caesar's took those traditions of the Babylonians and moved to Pergamos.

10. The 1000 year reign is all the saints in the Kingdom of Heaven where Christ will rule with a rod of Iron and so will the saints. Psalm 2:9 and Revelation 2:26-27, and Revelation 12 etc.

11. After the 1000 years Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet have been for 1000 years which was right before the binding of Satan in chains in the bottomless pit.

12. The Great White Throne Judgement will the take place and then the New Heaven and the New Earth and this is where the Son will give the kingdom back to the father so God can be all in all and then all the universe will be in perfect harmony as in the very beginning when there was only God. Read Revelation 21 and 22 and 1 Corinthians 15. You have incorrect biblical history and incorrect biblical context.

13. You take a few true facts and allegorize and use more improper hermeneutics than you can shake a stick at? And why? Because you don't want Israel to inherit their covenants or because you think the church is supposed to inherit those? As usual you are wrong. Jerry Kelso
I'm not sure about Nineveh.
In fact it is noted in GOD's WORD that Nineveh will fair better than some of this generation
 
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