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Earlier this year, my mother (who is a middle aged widow) moved very close to me. I advised against it, and encouraged her instead to remain where she is already established and consider getting a part time job or pursuing her hobbies. But obviously I couldn't stop her. So that happened.

Now I feel like she is always here. I like my mom in moderation, but I do not enjoy her constant presence. I find her to be boring, overbearing, and kind of a pest. I like the freedom to do what I want with my day, rather than entertaining company for hours. I like to listen to my music, work out, tidy up and make phone calls on a whim. She complains about my music, or wants to talk all the time. She talks about things that annoy me. She does not like to work out. I have invited her to take walks with me or go swimming, but she never feels like it. Not even once! So instead she just sits on my sofa, playing on her phone, while I work out. I don't really like that... someone just hanging around my house, "waiting" for me. She listens to all my phone calls and interrogates me about them, even though many are private and I just want left alone about them. She constantly tries to "tidy up" in her way, but she is a hoarder and just makes everything disorganized. She does it even though I tell her not to, because she thinks it's helpful. When I explain that I really truly hate it, she just stops that particular endeavor and tidies up some other way which I also hate.

But I get it. That's what families do. They just chill out and enjoy having people around them. That's what our family does. And she doesn't have family any more. Her children are grown and her husband is gone. So I understand why she wants to kind of join our family. But I don't want her! How do I reconcile this??
 

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That is not a normal family, she obviously has nothing to do so she is using your life to entertain her. Is she a Christian? Does she go to your church? I would try to help her find some new friends in your area or at church, or find something else like a new hobby or job or something. Pray for wisdom on this matter. God of course knows what is best. If all else fails, just tell her you want some space. Here is a good piece that has some good advice in it.
https://www.gotquestions.org/mother-in-law-dealing.html
 
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I agree with that piece, I just don't know how it applies now. My husband and I had this battle years ago, at the beginning of our marriage. It required a lot of firmness and even some harshness, to remove her from our family affairs. She tried to control everything, buy things we didn't ask for and demand how we run our household, stored stuff (lots of it) at our place, etc. There was a lot of anger and hurt feeling from her, but once she recognized boundaries, she stopped. Later she resorted to playing the hurt feelings card, but stopped that also when we quit reacting to it.

Things are different now. Back then she had a husband and some children still at home. Now she is all alone, and she is also more broken because of it. She is less "bossy" and more "needy." My husband told me I need to be gentler with her now, and that we need to relax some of those boundaries. And I understand him and love his compassion, but at the same time I loved my family the way it was and I don't want to change things!

Now my children come home and she shushes them. I have to remind her that this is their home, not a movie theatre. Kids are noisy, and we are okay with that here (within reason). She chastises them for interrupting adult conversations. Well, they used to be able to talk to their parents, and now Grandma is hogging their parents, and so they can either interrupt or forfeit family time. My mom doesn't think about these things. She also interrupts the kids when they are articulating a problem, and barks out a simplistic solution before they are even done talking about it. This is how she raised us, because she is a simple person and a very judgmental person, and she thinks she's welcome to do it to my children. When I explain that we need to hear the whole story first (because it is good for kids to articulate themselves and be heard), and that we want to encourage them to make their own solutions, she just doesn't get it. When I oblige her and discuss our parenting strategies, she gets defensive. She also likes to make value statements about other people, to my kids. "Sally is bad. Just stay away from her!" She has very much forgotten what it means to be a kid, and how minor conflicts are just part of growing up. They aren't deal breakers at that age! She's so polarized, and pushes the kids to be polarized, and since she stays for hours and hours, I have little opportunity to reflect on Grandma's perspective with the kids, except in front of her. And that's awkward.

She will show up uninvited, and when we say it's a bad time, she will insist on needing to use the restroom right away. Then she makes her rounds to say goodbye, and drags it out, and sometimes it is an hour before she is gone. And we are often on a schedule in terms of homework and dinner, so it is inconvenient. If I
lock the door, she will ring the door bell until the baby wakes from his nap. I leave it unlocked during naptime, and she just comes on in without asking! It's not
every day, but when it happens, I feel like I lost my whole day. (She has no concept of time any more.)

What can I do? Tell her to stay home and be lonely? I can't change her personality. She has friends and a church (not my church), but they are not as close now. And it would be hard for her to make new friends because she is kind of disconnected from society and forgets how to act. We children try to "take turns" with her. I guess I just don't want my turn. It is selfish. I don't want to grow up to be the lonely widow no one wants. Hmm.
 
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Earlier this year, my mother (who is a middle aged widow) moved very close to me. I advised against it, and encouraged her instead to remain where she is already established and consider getting a part time job or pursuing her hobbies. But obviously I couldn't stop her. So that happened.

Now I feel like she is always here. I like my mom in moderation, but I do not enjoy her constant presence. I find her to be boring, overbearing, and kind of a pest. I like the freedom to do what I want with my day, rather than entertaining company for hours. I like to listen to my music, work out, tidy up and make phone calls on a whim. She complains about my music, or wants to talk all the time. She talks about things that annoy me. She does not like to work out. I have invited her to take walks with me or go swimming, but she never feels like it. Not even once! So instead she just sits on my sofa, playing on her phone, while I work out. I don't really like that... someone just hanging around my house, "waiting" for me. She listens to all my phone calls and interrogates me about them, even though many are private and I just want left alone about them. She constantly tries to "tidy up" in her way, but she is a hoarder and just makes everything disorganized. She does it even though I tell her not to, because she thinks it's helpful. When I explain that I really truly hate it, she just stops that particular endeavor and tidies up some other way which I also hate.

But I get it. That's what families do. They just chill out and enjoy having people around them. That's what our family does. And she doesn't have family any more. Her children are grown and her husband is gone. So I understand why she wants to kind of join our family. But I don't want her! How do I reconcile this??

Respectfully, when I read your post, I couldn't help wondering if you were ironically and unknowingly posting your mother's thoughts from when you were about 2-12 years of age. But I understand what you mean, just like I can understand a mother's similar, thoughts in herself, when she has to do the same for her children.

Maybe you should become the "mother" in the relationship, and treat your mother as though she is you "adolescent daughter"; use her methods on her. Maybe she'll say, "I'm so sick of your rules! You're so overbearing! You can't control me! I'm moving out!"
 
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The best advice is to have a sit down with your mom and lay it all out. You love her but you have your own life and she needs hers. Try scheduling a specific time weekly for a quality visit with her, like Tuesday lunch or after school activity. Formulate a plan for scheduled visits and then stick to it, the more structure for her probably the better for both of you. Sounds like she wants to be needed and it kinda lost with no vision or purpose in her life right now

You mentioned she is widowed, is this somewhat recent? She needs to establish her own life and it is much harder the older we get. Try and find some volunteer opportunities for her, maybe the church, local school, library, etc. Many places are looking for help reading to kids or other needs. She can get involved with the local senior center and participate in activities and outings.

Tough place to be, we want to love and respect our parents but at the same time we are adults and lead our own lives. What I do know is the longer it goes on the harder it is to change the behavior. You can be gentle in your conversation but be firm.
 
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Scheduled visits are probably what we need. I have dabbled with that idea, but I'm still working on being consistent. It does her good to be invited. I can tell it means a lot to her when I initiate it, but I get busy and feel like I don't have time to arrange something "special," you know? I don't want to invite her over to end up watching me do dishes. That just encourages the "stay forever" kind of rut we're getting.

It would be easier if our interests aligned. The only "activities" she likes are crafting, and last time I allowed that at my house, I got stuck storing large totes of craft supplies in my living room and having half-finished projects all over the dining room table. She wanted to just leave them there and work on them a little more every day... for years if I hadn't put a stop to it after a week.

She can't volunteer because she doesn't like needy people or kids, unless they're her own kids or grandkids. She does babysit for me when I volunteer. She has no interest in joining me... I tried. She never worked and had a very comfortable life with my dad, and still does (sans family), so there's no automatic connections to people. I think she'd be happier if there was, but we haven't convinced her yet...
 
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Its so weird just how mothers can't usually live with their childs wife. As someone told me whos married with kids.... having two women in one house is very hard. Women have a tendency to want to be in control of their house. So when another woman enters the equation it becomes a battle.

I live with my parents and at first my mom and wife clashed HARD. Even though its my parents house, we are getting it eventually. But none the less my mom was always asking questions, wanting things done a certain way, complaining...etc.

Shes gotten better of course but my wife feels like its not really her house at all because outsife of our bedroom she can't really decorate anything, put anything out...etc. Because my mom may move it or say something. Which then leads to our small bedroom being cluttered, when my mom then complains about it. She doesn't notice its only cluttered because she (my mom) leaves my wife no choice since its our only private space.

And sadly even when its your own house and even if your mother doesn't live there (in your case) moms still tend to be controlling when over. I think the other part of it is a mom wants her son to have a house the way she had a house. I can see how that could be annoying.

Now, I'm all for being patient. But if shes really annoying you and you can't to far with your husband then you need to make house rules. So when shes over she has to obey them. If not then she has to go home. Just as she would want respect if you were in her home, she needs to do the same when in yours. Your both adults. And because you have a kid having a mom who "hovers" doesn't make things easier.

I'd get rid of your door bell honestly. I know its a pain but at least knocking won't be as loud as ringing the bell. Unless the babies sleeping area is near the door.
 
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And I understand him and love his compassion, but at the same time I loved my family the way it was and I don't want to change things!
I'm sure if your mom had a choice in the matter, she *also* wouldn't have chosen to have had her life changed either.
 
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How old is "middle aged"?

Are there some groups of crafting ladies she can join? Our newspaper has a feature that lists knitting, etc groups in it. Or maybe the library has some groups that meet there.

I'm guessing she is not at your physical ability, so exercising with you is not appealing. My gym has an active older group with many widows/widowers. By active I mean they are doing activities appropriate to their physical ability (water aerobics, slower moving aerobics/resistance classes), but they also meet on a REGULAR basis for potlucks right there in the group exercise room, and have monthly events with speakers of various topics relevant to their stage in life. The gym I was at before this also had a similar thing going on.

Do you have a senior center? There are lots of options for meals, card games, day trips, etc there.

Master Gardeners?

Help with a food bank or clothing "shop" for needy people?

If she likes to read, she can join a book club, or start one.

Go to your local Hobby Lobby or Michaels and ask them if there are groups that meet at their stores. There might be a crafting group that meets once a month (and HOPEFULLY spends a good portion of the time creating things for charity so she brings less of it home).

She's been with you long enough that she needs to get out and find or create groups with interests similar to hers. Start with the things she likes most because she won't be going for the people for a while.

Other than that I think you are going to have to tell her very explicitly that you need your space and time. I don't envy you that and am glad my mom is far enough away or I'd be in the same situation you describe. You HAVE to make sure she develops friends and interests outside of you or you will become her whole world for the rest of her life.
 
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Well, that sure seems young.

For the senior center, she may still qualify depending on what the minimum age is around her. For gym programs I mentioned, I'd say she would be on the younger end, but there are lots of women in their 50s taking water aerobics, and some in the "active older adult" groups I've seen as well.

I have no idea why "card games" is in blue on my other post. I didn't type it in that color, and certainly didn't make a link.
 
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My mother is very similar. She is lonely and has no friends and no husband and is depressed because of these facts. However, she pushes friends away and then says she has no friends. Your mother sounds very similar. She is trying to make you into her friend. You are not her friend, not her bosom buddy or coworker, you are her daughter, who is a grown woman and has a life and family of her own. It's not fair. But as someone in the same situation I can tell you, anything you do is gonna suck, A LOT! I've tried to tell my mom I like alone time, I've tried to tell her I don't feel the need to talk everyday and that its draining for me to do so. I work from home and I've tried telling her I have things I need to do and my focus needs to be that. If your mom is anything like mine, she will start crying, make you feel sorry for her and you end up being the one to apologize.
Because at the end of the day she is slowly controlling you, listening to your calls, trying to clean your house the way she wants and essentially giving you no choices but to entertain her. Making your life's focus her. It's not healthy for either of you. I honestly have no idea how to fix this! I've tried getting my mom into hobbies, contacting her old friends, even getting very honest about my feelings. Nothing works. I'm right there with you sister!
 
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If your mom is anything like mine, she will start crying, make you feel sorry for her and you end up being the one to apologize.

Yes, this is the dynamic I get. Any gentle pressure I try to exert to let her know she needs to leave results with her storming off and accusing me of wanting to get rid of her. Like... why can't she just leave on good terms?

A similar reaction occurs when I gently criticize how she has treated someone. She says I'm just out to get her. No, actually, I want her to have friends so I discourage her from saying rude things in mixed company. It's not meant as an attack on her, but a way of looking out for her.

Good luck to you. It's definitely a balancing act of being loving and supportive of family while maintaining boundaries.
 
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my mom is widowed as well, and she storms off too when I gently, sweet as possible criticize her or actually I am asking her to please stop criticizing me, and she storms off like a toddler having a temper tantrum, or starts crying .. it's baffling.. she's 74.

She does not live local, if she did, I have no doubt it would be very similar to the way you describe, and I would have no idea what to do!
 
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Yes, this is the dynamic I get. Any gentle pressure I try to exert to let her know she needs to leave results with her storming off and accusing me of wanting to get rid of her. Like... why can't she just leave on good terms?

A similar reaction occurs when I gently criticize how she has treated someone. She says I'm just out to get her. No, actually, I want her to have friends so I discourage her from saying rude things in mixed company. It's not meant as an attack on her, but a way of looking out for her.

Good luck to you. It's definitely a balancing act of being loving and supportive of family while maintaining boundaries.
Luckily for me my mother has off and on started going to church and so I am really hoping she finds more peace in her life.
But we have suggested to her before to talk to a therapist. She did not take that well... Have you tried suggesting this to your mother? Talking with a pastor a doctor and branching out could help her feel more at peace.
The loneliness, I imagine, is deafening. My grandmother hated quiet because she did not like to be left with her feelings.
 
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