Help - Christmas!!

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Abiyah also served the 3 feasts so we need to look to any fulfillments. We expected Eliyahu HaNavi at Passover every year, yes? Likely that is when John the Baptist was born. Look to the Gospel of John..."The Word was made flesh"...He "Tabernacled among us" (skenoo in Greek). So if John was born at Passover then Yeshua was born in October, likely at Sukkot...and was brought into the Covenant through Brit Milah on the 8th day. Yeshua was likely Transfigured during Sukkot (Matthew 17:3-5). By the way, if you ever see an Orthodox Icon of the birth of Yeshua, there is always a hole at the top if the cave where the star shines through...a natural Sukkah

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danny ski said:

Send a nice Happy Holiday card, greet people with a Merry Christmas and move on. I get Happy Hanukkah cards from a couple of Christians. Easy. Civilized gestures and friendly words need not to be about anything but that.

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pat34lee said:

Nice symbology, but like many, it may be nothing but coincidence.
If he came only to fulfill the spring feasts, then he wouldn't mar
or add to his duties. Like the law, he would carry them out to the
letter and the spirit. Every spring feast, and nothing else. When he
comes to tabernacle, he will not be leaving again.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Yeshua gave many other types and shadows of the fall feasts. Casting of the lot at Yom Kippur...Yeshua and Bar Abbas (both son of the father), the water libation ceremony at Sukkot...Yeshua proclaimed "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him." (John 7:37-38)...there are many others! If Yeshua were born at Sukkot, it would be a shadow of when He will again tabernacle with us in the 1000 yr reign. Also, at Sukkot we are commanded to rejoice (simcha), the season of our joy...sounds similar to the story of His birth in Luke "behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people"!

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pat34lee said:

I don't think he was talking about a Sukkot tradition.

Jeremiah 2:13
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Also Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

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pat34lee said:

I don't think he was talking about a Sukkot tradition.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Maybe, maybe not. The transfiguration was very likely at Sukkot...

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visionary said:

Never heard this, could you elaborate on how you made this connection?

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Matthew 17:1-8, Mark 9:2-8, Luke 9:28-36

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visionary said:

I was more interested in the connection you made with transfiguration and its time frame. You suggested Sukkot for the time frame and that was where I was wondering how you came to that conclusion. If it was just Peter's tent suggestion alone, but not the time line of events in Yeshua's life, then ok.. I was just hoping for more.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

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visionary said:

Does the events leading to this moment indicate it is sukkot.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

It sure seems to imply it!

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visionary said:

And what are they?

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visionary said:

Ok.. here is an example.. I went back to

Matt 14:6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.

To find something mentioned that can be related to a time frame. Not that it helped because they have no historical data that, I could find, which indicates which month he was born in.

This is what I mean by time frame. Is there something else besides Peter's comment that would be a second witness to Sukkot being the time of the transfiguration?

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Because it is the same word (root Skenoo) used in the original Greek...σκηνάς...σκηνοπηγία... in both the Greek OT (LXX) and NT

...and also...

The Orthodox Jewish Bible:
And Kefa said in reply to Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, Adoni, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will make shalosh sukkot here: one for you, and one for Moshe Rabbenu, and one for Eliyahu HaNavi.

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gadar perets said:

Apples and oranges. There is nothing wrong with Hanukkah, so there would be nothing wrong with sending a Hanukkah card or greeting with a "Happy Hanukkah". It would be like sending a Mother's Day card to your mother and telling her "Happy Mother's Day". However, if Christmas is truly a Christianized version of pagan festivals and is founded upon a lie that Yeshua was born on December 25, then it becomes problematic and wrong to send a card or give a greeting. It makes us partakers in something that is wrong (1 Timothy 5:22).

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