Did God write Genesis?

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No. Please quit evading the question. Once more: It is wrong to kill people as a sacrifice to God. Now will you answer the question?

First, Abraham is a prophet. A prophet can have a way of establishing a more direct and unambiguous communication with God. We have no way to identify how unambiguous Abraham receive messages from God. We can't just apply our lack of communication to God in the case of Abraham.

Second, God asks Abraham to kill his son for many reasons. At that time the Canaanite were practising children sacrifice. So if Canaanites had the faith to their idol gods God would like to see that Abraham has more faith in the true God. He later stopped Abraham for the message that children sacrifice is not what He wanted. That's why children sacrifice is never a Jewish practice since Abraham. However it is a rather common practice of other Canaanites.

Third, God actually hints that the sacrifice of the son of the father of all Jews doesn't help anything, only the sacrifice of God's own Son can bring us salvation. Thus all the sacred rites practised by the Jews are actually for the preparation of the coming of Jesus Christ.
 
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Third, God actually hints that the sacrifice of the son of the father of all Jews doesn't help anything, only the sacrifice of God's own Son can bring us salvation. Thus all the sacred rites practised by the Jews are actually for the preparation of the coming of Jesus Christ.
In Abraham's time it was known as Mt Moriah.

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

In Solomon's time it was known as the Mount of Corruption.

2 Kings 23:13 And the high places that were before Jerusalem, which were on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile.

In Jesus' time, it was known as Mt Calvary.

Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
 
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First, Abraham is a prophet. A prophet can have a way of establishing a more direct and unambiguous communication with God.
Uh, I think you might have been conned. A prophet may say he has unambiguous communication with God, sure. But how would he ever prove it? Could it be that they are just saying that?
Second, God asks Abraham to kill his son for many reasons. At that time the Canaanite were practising children sacrifice. So if Canaanites had the faith to their idol gods God would like to see that Abraham has more faith in the true God. He later stopped Abraham for the message that children sacrifice is not what He wanted. That's why children sacrifice is never a Jewish practice since Abraham. However it is a rather common practice of other Canaanites.
What about Jephtah, who promises to sacrifice his daughter as a burnt sacrifice? (Judges 11:29-40)

And telling someone to kill his son and then stopping him and praising him for following through up to that point is hardly a way of convincing people that what he was asking was wrong. If making a child a burnt offering is wrong, then God should not have commanded it, and Abraham should not have started to do that which is wrong.
Third, God actually hints that the sacrifice of the son of the father of all Jews doesn't help anything, only the sacrifice of God's own Son can bring us salvation. Thus all the sacred rites practised by the Jews are actually for the preparation of the coming of Jesus Christ.
Why all this emphasis on killing people to win God's favor? I don't understand why God needs us to kill his son before he can forgive.

But we digress. If Genesis was by God, why do we have Genesis 22 with its warped view of child sacrifice, Genesis 1 with its totally wrong view of creation, and other errors?
 
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Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?

You're problem is this....you assume evolutionism happened. It's been shown to you numerous times that evolutionism is impossible. Life is to complicated to arrive and evolve via a random process.

As to the plants and birds...a day is a day. what's the problem? Then again you tend to pass of evolutionism as if it actully happened and now want to claim the bible is false....and your unproven evolutionism is correct.

God was also very clear that the earth was created in six literal days. God even numbered them and bracketed them with the term evening and morning.

The problem is, God wrote Genesis and now you think you're smarter than God and want to re-write Genesis.
 
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You're problem is this....you assume evolutionism happened. It's been shown to you numerous times that evolutionism is impossible. Life is to complicated to arrive and evolve via a random process.
Huh? I didn't mention evolution one time in this thread. The arguments I am making are true, regardless of whether evolution is true.
As to the plants and birds...a day is a day. what's the problem?
People have known that the earth was millions of years old long before Darwin, and have known that creatures of the past were very different from modern creatures long before Darwin.

If the earth is many millions of years old, and the fossil record shows millions of years of life existed before trees, then, when Genesis says trees came before the sun, it must be wrong.

And there are fossils of land dwelling animals for millions of years before the first bird. But Genesis says birds came first. All you need to do is look at the rocks, and find that is not true.
Then again you tend to pass of evolutionism as if it actully happened and now want to claim the bible is false....and your unproven evolutionism is correct.
Nobody mentioned evolution on this thread. Look at the details of the fossil record that were known long before Darwin. See, for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Sedgwick

God was also very clear that the earth was created in six literal days. God even numbered them and bracketed them with the term evening and morning.
You are only digging your hole deeper. Some believers in creation will at least admit that animals have been on this planet for millions of years. If you claim it all happened in 6 days around 6000 years ago, you add another problem with Genesis. The creator would have known the earth was millions of years old.
The problem is, God wrote Genesis and now you think you're smarter than God and want to re-write Genesis.

No, I do not think I am smarter than God. I do not even know if I am smarter than the writer of Genesis. But, since I stand on the shoulders of giants, I do claim that I see further than the writer of Genesis.
 
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Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?
GOD is SOVEREIGN over all temporal things

Why should a man be confused in believing that somehow temporal light is the SOURCE of LIGHT and LIFE to all living things?
 
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Why should a man be confused in believing that somehow temporal light is the SOURCE of LIGHT and LIFE to all living things?
What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China?
 
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What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China?
I don't know. But if the rocks will cry out. Don't you think the plants and vegetation will also?

And won't they, even if some men don't understand this, acknowledge that it wasn't the sun that gave them Life...initially

That's why the vegetation was created first and before the sun

So man wouldn't be confused as to who it is who brought forth LIFE from nothing
 
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I don't know. But if the rocks will cry out. Don't you think the plants and vegetation will also?

And won't they, even if some men don't understand this, acknowledge that it wasn't the sun that gave them Life...initially

That's why the vegetation was created first and before the sun

So man wouldn't be confused as to who it is who brought forth LIFE from nothing
Ah, so you are saying that Genesis got it right, that vegetation was indeed created before the sun?. Sorry, but that is simply wrong. The sun is 4.5 billion years old, and vegetation is less than a billion.
 
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Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?
God inspires mortal imperfect men. Then those mortal imperfect men write their books(scriptures). They use symbolic language very, very often. If God does not reveal to YOU the meaning of those symbols YOU will not understand the book(s). If YOU do not understand the book you can not judge it fairly.
 
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God inspires mortal imperfect men. Then those mortal imperfect men write their books(scriptures). They use symbolic language very, very often. If God does not reveal to YOU the meaning of those symbols YOU will not understand the book(s). If YOU do not understand the book you can not judge it fairly.

Care to explain to Micnik5 that the Bible doesn't really mean that the plants were created before the sun, as the literal words say? Micnik5 thought Genesis 1 is literally true.
 
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Ah, so you are saying that Genesis got it right, that vegetation was indeed created before the sun?. Sorry, but that is simply wrong. The sun is 4.5 billion years old, and vegetation is less than a billion.
Okay
 
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Care to explain to Micnik5 that the Bible doesn't really mean that the plants were created before the sun, as the literal words say? Micnik5 thought Genesis 1 is literally true.
Nah don't explain to me. Don't worry about it. When judgement comes against the order of creation it is going backwards in the exact order GOD ordained so nothing is off

Thank HIM that HE gives more attention and mercy to HIS living things and skips over them until HE finishes marking what belongs to HIM

Reference revelation 8
 
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Care to explain to Micnik5 that the Bible doesn't really mean that the plants were created before the sun, as the literal words say? Micnik5 thought Genesis 1 is literally true.
I am not going to argue with anybody which words of God's prophets (inspired men) are symbolic and which are literal. It would be a waste of time. We all know this. But I will ask you a question: in your opinion why wasn't it possible to create plants on THIS earth before OUR sun was created?
 
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