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One must learn to connect the dots of prophecy in order to understand the many symbols that are used .... all of them can be rendered to a literal definition either within the content given or in some other passage of related scripture

Example:

8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood

8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more

18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

18:16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

18:19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.


Mystery Babylon the Great is the Lord's view of human intransigence on the earth at the time of the end .... this behavior of human self rule without His providence and direction began at Babel [Genesis 11] and will end during the coming tribulation period

So the unbelieving world is global today and connected .... and there is a particular "great city" at the core, and its wide spread culture and influence has been exported across the earth and to the other cities of the nations on the earth

It is this "great city" [civilization] that will be the target of the Lord's wrath and destruction .... the heart of MBG will be destroyed in one hour and all of the other cities of the nations will fall

This cultural city sits on a mountain top [a continent] surrounded with sea ports and with many ships in port .... a trading nation with great worldwide influence related to commerce and materialism

.... the vanguard and culmination of lost humanity since the days of Noah

Continents as we know them are the mountain tops left after the Noahic flood receded and the great city sits on one of these continents which has vast coastal borders .... much of it is surrounded by the waters of the oceans

The same is going to be destroyed by fire as the result of an enemy attack instigated by the Lord at the beginning of the coming tibulation period

He will then revisit the continent where the great city once stood and break it into thirds during the battle of Armageddon ... the earthquake involved will surpass any previous quakes and so powerful that the other cities of the nations will be destroyed

By connecting the dots of related scripture above we can learn much, and we can rightly define many things
 
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No. The OP has really imposed on these passages.

"Mystery Babylon" is apostate Israel. The fornication is "spiritual fornication". Now...let's "connect some dots for the OP:

*God told Moses before He died Israel would fall away...Deuteronomy 31:14-18

*God likened Israel and Judah to Sodom and Gomorrah in Ezekiel 16

* God told Israel she had a "harlots forehead" in Jeremiah 3:3...but read Jeremiah 1-3 and you can get a clue to Revelation. What's really happening is the judgment of Israel that God told them would happen in Leviticus 26:14-46.

This is what you have going on. God is bringing judgment upon Israel which occurred in 70AD as the Romans destroyed the temple and dispersed Israel!!!
 
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No. The OP has really imposed on these passages.

"Mystery Babylon" is apostate Israel. The fornication is "spiritual fornication". Now...let's "connect some dots for the OP:

*God told Moses before He died Israel would fall away...Deuteronomy 31:14-18

*God likened Israel and Judah to Sodom and Gomorrah in Ezekiel 16

* God told Israel she had a "harlots forehead" in Jeremiah 3:3...but read Jeremiah 1-3 and you can get a clue to Revelation. What's really happening is the judgment of Israel that God told them would happen in Leviticus 26:14-46.

This is what you have going on. God is bringing judgment upon Israel which occurred in 70AD as the Romans destroyed the temple and dispersed Israel!!!

If I'm understanding you correctly, there is the following in Revelation 18 to consider.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

If that happened in 70 AD and that that great city Babylon is meaning apostate Israel, and that Israel was dispersed at the time, how then does one explain Israel is literally on the map again, meaning as of the early 20th century? The text in verse 21 above states and shall be found no more at all. Assuming I'm understanding you somewhat correctly, seems to be a contradiction here if you are correct, because I'm pretty certain the text means exactly what it says when it says and shall be found no more at all, meaning never again from that point for forever.
 
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What happened in the old covenant was the the Lord established Israel, bringing them out of bondage and into the promised land. Israel grew fat, and forgot the Lord, and became worldly. Then the Lord sent the king of Babylon to overcome Jerusalem, break down the walls, and carry the apostates off into captivity in Babylon. Then, the Lord judged Babylon, and destroyed it, and brought the people back to Jerusalem.

John, however, is writing in the new covenant, and he is taking old covenant symbolism and prophecy and re-applying it to the new covenant Israel; which is to say, the church of Christ. John is showing that, that which was, is that which will be. The new covenant will run the same course as the old, yet, fulfill itself spiritually and not naturally.

So John is showing that the holy people of the new covenant, who were brought out of spiritual bondage and into the spiritual promised land, would also grow fat, and forget the Lord, and become worldly. Look at the state of Christianity. Very worldly, with great multitudes preaching worldly docrines, promising monetary wealth, mixing with the things of the world. So the Lord will once again send the king of Babylon to overcome the holy people and carry them away captive into Great Babylon: which will be the church in apostacy mentioned by the apostle Paul at 2 Thessalonians 2, and 'that lawless one' none else but the spiritual king of Babylon. This is the will of God.

Yet there is always a faithful remnant, just as Daniel and the three, and Ezekiel, and such. And just as the Lord judges and overthrew the Babylon of old, He will again overthrow the spiritual Babylon to come, and bring His people back home to rebuild and possess the land. Thus it's written Jeremiah 51:7 Jeremiah 51:49

Now of the king of Babylon it was said Daniel 3:7 and John repeats this Revelation 13:7-8 These things are the same, the king of Babylon conquered all nations, peoples, languages; he overcame the holy people, he took them into captivity, he boasted in himself of his own power for building 'Great Babylon': Daniel 4:30-31: and his kingdom fell just as the spiritual kingdom of Revelation: Isaiah 21:9, Revelation 14:8

But the most interesting thing is this: of all of the kings and wars in the entire scripture, there is one outstanding thing concerning the king of Babylon. There is one thing about him than any other in the entire bible. And this is that, the Lord commanded the exact day and month of his arrival to be recorded in the scripture. Anyone care to draw a conclusion as to why the Lord would purposely record for all generations reading His book, the exact day and month that the 'Destroyer' arrived to begin his seige of the holy city?

2 Kings 25:1, Jeremiah 52:4, Ezekiel 24:1-2
 
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If I'm understanding you correctly, there is the following in Revelation 18 to consider.

Revelation 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

If that happened in 70 AD and that that great city Babylon is meaning apostate Israel, and that Israel was dispersed at the time, how then does one explain Israel is literally on the map again, meaning as of the early 20th century? The text in verse 21 above states and shall be found no more at all. Assuming I'm understanding you somewhat correctly, seems to be a contradiction here if you are correct, because I'm pretty certain the text means exactly what it says when it says and shall be found no more at all, meaning never again from that point for forever.
How does it matter? To answer your question though the Israel of today are not God's covenant people...the temple is not there and God has not dwelt in the temple since Jesus died on the cross...Matthew 27:51.

If you're going to look at Revelation 18:21...I suggest you read the whole chapter. See if you can understand what it's pointing out about Israel...and why it calls her "Babylon".
 
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How does it matter? To answer your question though the Israel of today are not God's covenant people...the temple is not there and God has not dwelt in the temple since Jesus died on the cross...Matthew 27:51.

If you're going to look at Revelation 18:21...I suggest you read the whole chapter. See if you can understand what it's pointing out about Israel...and why it calls her "Babylon".


Believe it or not I have actually read that entire chapter a number of times. I can at least admit that some portions of the text do indeed make me think Israel might be in mind, so I can see why you might conclude that. But I still don't see it making sense if the text is stating..and shall be found no more at all..and that this is in ref to apostate Israel, when even you seem to be admitting they can still be found when you said... "though the Israel of today are not God's covenant people". Seems to contradict and shall be found no more at all if your conclusions are correct. What part of found no more at all are you failing to grasp?
 
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Believe it or not I have actually read that entire chapter a number of times. I can at least admit that some portions of the text do indeed make me think Israel might be in mind, so I can see why you might conclude that. But I still don't see it making sense if the text is stating..and shall be found no more at all..and that this is in ref to apostate Israel, when even you seem to be admitting they can still be found when you said... "though the Israel of today are not God's covenant people". Seems to contradict and shall be found no more at all if your conclusions are correct. What part of found no more at all are you failing to grasp?
You do understand that "the city that shall be found no more" is described in the verses (18-24), which follow the statement passage? Therefore it cannot be the Jerusalem of today.
 
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