My Roanoke Challenge

AV1611VET · Sep 7, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Considering that the KJV was written well over a thousand years AFTER the original Bible was written, then yes: it's a falsified document.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

1 Corinthian 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Put those two ideas together, Warden, and see if you can't see clearly enough to know that God keeps His word intact by divine power.

It's a kind of power you're not familiar with; and can make your Shannon entropy take a hike.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 7, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

1 Corinthian 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Put those two ideas together, Warden, and see if you can't see clearly enough to know that God keeps His word intact by divine power.

It's a kind of power you're not familiar with; and can make your Shannon entropy take a hike.

Absolutely nothing to show that the KJV is not a falsified document. F.

TLK Valentine · Sep 7, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Yes.

What do you think the NIV, ESV, and ETC versions are?

No better or worse than the KJV version.

AV1611VET · Sep 7, 2016

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
No, it's YOUR claim that there were 2,000,000 Israelites in the desert, not mine. So you pony it up.

Why then did whitecoats go looking for them, if it was just an empty claim?

Even your grave robbers can't find anything.

And rather than blame the Amalekites and God, they blame it on shoddy reporting.

AV1611VET · Sep 7, 2016

TLK Valentine said:
No better or worse than the KJV version.

Cute -- real cute.

Warden_of_the_Storm · Sep 7, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Why then did whitecoats go looking for them, if it was just an empty claim?

Even your grave robbers can't find anything.

And rather than blame the Amalekites and God, they blame it on shoddy reporting.

I never said it was an empty claim. Those are your own words, not mine. Although the fact you'd use them is quite telling really.

And really, the fact you feel that you need to call archaeologists, 'grave robbers'? Very immature.

TLK Valentine · Sep 7, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Cute -- real cute.

Glad to hear you find truth "cute."

lesliedellow · Sep 13, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Yet you know Roanoke disappeared because of written documentation.

Right?

There are few serious historians who doubt that Jesus existed, and in coming to the conclusion that he existed they read the New Testament from a historian's perspective, but historiography cannot answer theological questions.

AV1611VET · Sep 17, 2016

lesliedellow said:
... but historiography cannot answer theological questions.

Keep that in mind the next time you see someone ask if 1948 was a fulfillment of prophecy, and they say NO.

Kylie · Sep 29, 2016

AV1611VET said:
And that's how you know Roanoke disappeared?

You weren't there, were you?

Yet you know Roanoke disappeared because of written documentation.

Right?

Yes, but it's not the same kind of written documentation as the Bible.

With the Roanoke colony, we have records of the people which can be cross checked with other records. Records of the materials and ships used.

Oh, and we have genetic evidence that very strongly supports the existence of a colony there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Colony#Integration_with_local_tribes

HitchSlap · Sep 29, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Keep that in mind the next time you see someone ask if 1948 was a fulfillment of prophecy, and they say NO.

No, "1948" was not a fulfillment of "prophecy."

AV1611VET · Sep 29, 2016

HitchSlap said:
No, "1948" was not a fulfillment of "prophecy."

Thanks for the QED.

Standing_Ultraviolet · Sep 29, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Why then did whitecoats go looking for them, if it was just an empty claim?

Most attempts to find evidence for events from the Pentateuch and Joshua are pretty old now. They were made during the dawn of modern archaeology, when there wasn't any particular reason to doubt that the events depicted had happened (in some way, if not necessarily literally). It's only after looking for evidence of a lengthy Hebrew enslavement in Egypt, for proof of the Exodus, or for artifacts from the Conquest of Canaan that we can say that none of those things happened in anything like the way that they're depicted. All of the available evidence from the archaeological record and from written sources actually contemporary to the events suggests that, at the time when all of that would have been happening, the area that Israel would later control was under the dominance of the Egyptian Empire at nearly its furthest extent, and there is no evidence that a cohesive ethnonational entity called Israel even existed yet.

AV1611VET · Sep 29, 2016

Standing_Ultraviolet said:
Most attempts to find evidence for events from the Pentateuch and Joshua are pretty old now. They were made during the dawn of modern archaeology, when there wasn't any particular reason to doubt that the events depicted had happened (in some way, if not necessarily literally).

May I make a suggestion then?

I suggest they go back out, and this time take their upgraded junk out there in the desert and look again.

They can just trudge all their fancy radar and sonar junk out there in the hot sun and put some sweat equity into it again.

Assuming it doesn't melt or get stolen, they can apply all their 21st century technology to the task at hand and look a little thoroughly this time.

Standing_Ultraviolet · Sep 30, 2016

I mean, it's not like all archaeology in the region suddenly stopped. It's just that serious institutions no longer put effort into trying to find evidence of the Exodus and related events because, if it were there, we would have found it a long time ago. These aren't small or subtle things that you can't detect without the best of modern technology and research methods. We're talking about millions of people living in a region for decades, or cities being razed to the ground. Pouring more time, effort, and money into finding something that would have been evident right from the start is just a waste.

AV1611VET · Sep 30, 2016

Standing_Ultraviolet said:
I mean, it's not like all archaeology in the region suddenly stopped. It's just that serious institutions no longer put effort into trying to find evidence of the Exodus and related events because, if it were there, we would have found it a long time ago. These aren't small or subtle things that you can't detect without the best of modern technology and research methods. We're talking about millions of people living in a region for decades, or cities being razed to the ground. Pouring more time, effort, and money into finding something that would have been evident right from the start is just a waste.

How do you know they didn't find something and attribute it to the Egyptians?

While they were looking for artifacts pertaining to the Israelites, did they find artifacts pertaining to the Amalekites?

AV1611VET · May 29, 2022

Anyone find Roanoke yet?

Warden_of_the_Storm · May 29, 2022

AV1611VET said:
Anyone find Roanoke yet?

It's part of Dare County, North Carolina.

Kylie · May 29, 2022

AV1611VET said:
Anyone find Roanoke yet?

Yup. 6 Famous Unsolved Mysteries (With Really Obvious Solutions) | Cracked.com

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