Why is it OK to indoctrinate children?

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Great. Love, morality and stability is good, no matter which ideology it is based on. Good environment, solid principles. A basis for success in all areas of life.

It applies to Christians, atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hinduists, Bahaists, Judaists, Zoroastrians, Sikhs etc. etc.

My post was pretty specific, but I'll try to elaborate. I give thanks that I was raised as a Christian in the ways of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, I would also be giving thanks that I WASN'T raised in the ways of atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hinduists, Bahaists, Judaists, Zoroastrians, Sikhs etc. etc. I am what I am by the Love and Grace of God. Most of all, I give thanks that Jesus Christ died on the Cross for my sins, and I belong to Him.

Titus 3:4-7 KJV But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV 1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 
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Thank you for taking the time to rationalize your response. As a follow up question, though, I am curious about whether you actually follow Deuteronomy and all Mosaic law, seeing as how you quoted that the most. Specifically, if you want to impose the values of the book of Deuteronomy onto your children, would you hold your daughter, provided you have one, to the Deuteronomy rape laws if the situation arose?
The statement in Deuteronomy is not a commandment of the law it is a command to teach the law and how to do it. This idea is reiterated in the NT when we are told to teach,our children and in Jesus words to bring the children to him. There are parts of the law that are reiterated in the new covenant and those are still in effect. And There are eternal Biblical principles that apply in all circumstances. Teaching your children about the bible and the truths therein is one of them. We are told to do that.
 
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You are adding to the Scripture and there is a stern warning not to do it.
That appears directly to be a false accusation without any possible foundation.

Everything I posted is plainly and clearly in Scripture unless someone you listened to is twisting something for your ears.

If you think otherwise, show anything is not in Scripture, post it - quote it - and check it out.
 
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Who said I disagreed with questioning? Questioning and listening to the answers brings wisdom! My child (or any child) is welcome to question!

You said you indoctrinate your child.

I showed the definition of indoctrination.

Therefore you disagree with questioning.

But I guess I'll count this as a fix, since you're now implying that you are against indoctrination.
 
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That appears directly to be a false accusation without any possible foundation.

Everything I posted is plainly and clearly in Scripture unless someone you listened to is twisting something for your ears.

If you think otherwise, show anything is not in Scripture, post it - quote it - and check it out.

I think you are so convinced that no amount of reasoning will persuade you otherwise. :wave:
 
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The statement in Deuteronomy is not a commandment of the law it is a command to teach the law and how to do it. This idea is reiterated in the NT when we are told to teach,our children and in Jesus words to bring the children to him. There are parts of the law that are reiterated in the new covenant and those are still in effect. And There are eternal Biblical principles that apply in all circumstances. Teaching your children about the bible and the truths therein is one of them. We are told to do that.

If I start a thread on the topic of how a Christian determines the expired laws (shellfish) from the eternal laws (homosexuality), will you help decipher what's what there?
 
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I think you are so convinced, that no amount of reasoning will persuade you otherwise. :wave: googletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1474449713049-1'); });
Since you NEVER showed anything I posted was contrary to Scripture,
why are you thinking anything is contrary to Scripture ?

If you don't show anything that you think is contrary to Scripture,
then you are wrong, as you said yourself that it was me and not you who added to Scripture; i.e. you made a false accusation, and now admit it.
 
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I think you are so convinced that no amount of reasoning will persuade you otherwise. :wave:

He basically said that atheists have no morals. At that point it's time to move on. So I have to agree with you there.
 
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He basically said that atheists have no morals. At that point it's time to move on. So I have to agree with you there.
Again, opinion you have.

You cannot show that that is contrary to Scripture; rather it is written in Ephesians, Galatians, and Revelation, et al.
 
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Putting Scripture in context can most of the time increase understanding.

Proverbs 22:1-6 (KJV)
1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold. 2 The rich and poor meet together: the LORD is the maker of them all. 3 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished. 4 By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and honour, and life. 5 Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them. 6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
 
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Children are taught to accept the Bible uncritically. That is indoctrination.
Well, since you have not offered anything even remotely considered evidence of this we can dismiss it as nothing more than your opinion.
 
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Agreed.



Why? You're saying that atheists who raise moral, productive members of society haven't properly performed their parental duty?

No, I'm saying instilling religious beliefs is is parent's duty. Atheists do it too by instilling atheism. I wasn't referring to morality or productivity coming from specific religious beliefs.


Indoctrination is not a pathway to the truth. Just ask Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, etc.

Ask them what? They do it too.

False. You are referring to Proverbs 22:6, which says,

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

You made an insertion which dramatically changed the text in order to suit your argument. The insertion is inappropriate considering that the author, King Solomon, was a polytheist (1 Kings 11:1-10), or at least he was a polytheist in his older and wiser years which is when Proverbs was presumably written, so I consider it to be quite a stretch that the verse is suggesting that parents reinforce a monotheistic loyalty to Jehovah.

I was going by memory. It's still the meaning, even if I got the specific words of that one translation wrong.

Don't you know that if you're an atheist, you can't be a moral, productive member of society??? (sarcasm)

I didn't say or suggest that.
 
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I see this has turned into one of those "I'm right the rest of you are all wrong" threads, no wonder they claim to be critical thinkers... lol...
Yep, because they criticize everyone who does not agree with them......
 
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Let me get this right; you, a self declared atheist, are telling Christians on a Christian Forum how the Holy Spirit works, and what he does and does not do?

You couldn't make this stuff up.
Actually, I believe they do......
 
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Yep, because they criticize everyone who does not agree with them......

And try to goad you into saying something they can report to the Mods, wash, rinse, repeat...

Very good posters/debaters are being chased away from this site because of that, the lack of impartiality is stunning at times...
 
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Very good posters/debaters are being chased away from this site because of that, the lack of impartiality is stunning at times...
Yes. Maybe it was planned that way, and working as desired, - on purpose.
And going according to plan ?
I don't know - doesn't matter - is there a way to check it out and/or do something about it?
 
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I think for any sincere believer it is not just OK to indoctrinate their kids. It's their absolute duty and a righteous thing before God. This applies to all religions that teach about some kind of punishment/reward in the afterlife. If some religion is a widely accepted, respected or even a ruling ideology in the land, then children indoctrination is also a matter of survival in the society, or, at least, a matter of better chances at obtaining a favourable position in the society.

Most people are crowd followers and pleasers. A few rebels are the exception. I was recently reading about a man who didn't indoctrinate his daughter in Afghanistan and instead, taught her values against the prevailing ideology. Really brave man.

In the West, Christianity is the main-stream religion. It can be beneficial to belong to a church group, in some ways - inside the Christian community and in the society in general. In other places it might be quite dangerous, even life-threatening...

Again, if parents are more or less real believers and not formal nominally religious people, then indoctrination is an absolute must. In their view, it's the biggest love they can show by doing the best for their kids according to what they believe. You know, giving them a chance at avoiding eternal hell. No Christmas gift can beat that.

However, if one does not believe, or oppose the faith of the parents, or believe in something else, then they consider indoctrination the most cruel and awful deception ever. Mental violence of the greatest magnitude. That view can unfortunately belong to kids themselves. What a tragedy!!!
 
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