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What do you think we can spend money on to solve the problems concerning the environment and war?

Easy. I would use the concept of "Think Globally, Act Locally". Acting locally takes the "we" out of it, and therefore won't mean much to an outsider.

But even that won't do. I "act personally" to change the world for the better. Beyond that all I can offer is advice. :D
 
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The 'fight' often takes place in the 'mean streets'. :eek:

No sir, it takes place in a field, yet that proverbial field is not America, but the church and even within our hearts and minds. You are fighting in a land of blind men lead by blind men, both will fall together. Our citizenship is in heaven.
 
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Ideas are just ideas. Economic activity only starts when money begins to flow.
Wrong again. Economic activity starts when the company identifies the opportunity and then has decided to act or not.

The economic activity is the change in demand that lead to supply side reaction.

With increased concentration of wealth at the top there will be inherently fewer opportunities on which to capitalize. Supply side economics does not grow wealth, it simultaneously reduces and concentrates it.
 
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No sir, it takes place in a field, yet that proverbial field is not America, but the church and even within our hearts and minds. You are fighting in a land of blind men lead by blind men, both will fall together. Our citizenship is in heaven.

We're not there yet. We are still in the world, though not of it.
 
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Wrong again. Economic activity starts when the company identifies the opportunity and then has decided to act or not.

The economic activity is the change in demand that lead to supply side reaction.

With increased concentration of wealth at the top there will be inherently fewer opportunities on which to capitalize. Supply side economics does not grow wealth, it simultaneously reduces and concentrates it.

Economic activity starts when money changes hands. Plans are just plans until then. A man lying in bed thinking about plans for the day doesn't get the job done. He has to get up[and get going. That's "activity".
 
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Economic activity starts when money changes hands. Plans are just plans until then.
Even if you are correct (you're not), the stimulus for supply side action is on the demand side. So artificially bolstering supply side won't boost economic activity because supply side reacts to demand stimulus not changes in itself.

This is not theory. It's exactly why wealth is concentrating at the top.
 
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Even if you are correct (you're not), the stimulus for supply side action is on the demand side. So artificially bolstering supply side won't boost economic activity because supply side reacts to demand stimulus not changes in itself.

This is not theory. It's exactly why wealth is concentrating at the top.

It's the concentration of wealth that defines the "top". Most people can attain that. I did and I'm not that smart (according to many here).
 
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It's the concentration of wealth that defines the "top". Most people can attain that. I did and I'm not that smart (according to many here).
But you are failing to see that the rich are getting richer must faster.

Just recently household income rone again to adjusted pre-Reagan levels. The difference is that then the average household had just over 1 wage earner. Today the average household has more than 2. Basically middle class incomes are roughly 1/2 of what they were prior to trickle down.

Brownback wanted to prove that trickle down workso in Kansas. He and the legislature enacted it and set up a commission to report on itsale success. The Kansas economy is in the toilet and the report was killed before it came out.
 
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But you are failing to see that the rich are getting richer must faster.

Just recently household income rone again to adjusted pre-Reagan levels. The difference is that then the average household had just over 1 wage earner. Today the average household has more than 2. Basically middle class incomes are roughly 1/2 of what they were prior to trickle down.

Brownback wanted to prove that trickle down workso in Kansas. He and the legislature enacted it and set up a commission to report on itsale success. The Kansas economy is in the toilet and the report was killed before it came out.

Not at all. Once certain assets are in place the money flows in. As our educational system, crafted and managed by very smart people, "educates the brains and ambition out of our people" of course the rich will get richer. What did you expect?

You are insisting that 'trickle down' is an economic model. It isn't. It's just a fact of economics. The only way it might be considered a model is that money is 'sown' by the rich in order to reap a greater harvest from the poor. It works because the poor are willing participants (look at the sales of smart phones and other mass-marketed toys for example).

If you want to be rich as well save the 'seeds' that come your way and grow your own wealth. I did. Worked great. You can't buy every glitzy toy that comes around and hope to save money too. You don't become wealthy by making someone else wealthy. :doh:

Also, most people are quite content with their lives and fortunes. It is the politicians looking for something to justify their existance that declare that there is a huge income problem here.

Even hunger is a media event. I just heard a radio promo that stated that "15 million kids in America are 'food insecure' ". I thought we solved that problem with the SNAP program. :scratch:

The last time I checked my birth certificate I didn't see any guarantee of anything, including wealth and income. ;)
 
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Not at all. Once certain assets are in place the money flows in. As our educational system, crafted and managed by very smart people, "educates the brains and ambition out of our people" of course the rich will get richer. What did you expect?

You are insisting that 'trickle down' is an economic model. It isn't. It's just a fact of economics. The only way it might be considered a model is that money is 'sown' by the rich in order to reap a greater harvest from the poor. It works because the poor are willing participants (look at the sales of smart phones and other mass-marketed toys for example).

If you want to be rich as well save the 'seeds' that come your way and grow your own wealth. I did. Worked great. You can't buy every glitzy toy that comes around and hope to save money too. You don't become wealthy be making someone else wealthy. :doh:
Your view of economics seems to be that the rich supply wealth that trickles down. That is a false view. Wealth is created by the supply and demand cycle.

If there is demand, supply will expand. Since supply employees people that buy things this increases demand. Thus the cycle goes.

The problem is that supply side economics (trickle down) works on the faulty assumption that if a stimulus is made to supply side that it will invest in ways that boost demand. But that assumption is based on the faulty notion that supply side will invest without a demand reason to. As a result most supply side stimulus is never invested in ways that boost demand.

In contrast nearly all of demand side stimulus goes to boost supply side thus priming the pump.
 
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Yes. Perhaps we should. Clinton at least has a platform to make college education more accessible, particularly for 2 year training programs. What's Trump's platform? What's his plan?

He doesn't have one, because we know his supporters have no interest in education.

Well, I used to think an education was important, that it helped you get ahead, and made you a more knowledgeable person so you could better make informed decisions. But after being on this forum for a month or two, I've come to realize that all an education does is make you an "elitist". I'm not 100% sure what is meant by the term, but I'm pretty sure it isn't a good thing. So yeah, I've learned that a higher education is actually a form of indoctrination, and big negative in your life.
 
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