Trump aims to shore up Catholic vote, names council of 33 Catholic advisers

hsilgne said:

Stopping the appointment of another ultra left wing SC justice covers a multitude of issues. The 2nd ammendment is a biggie. But also, since you mentioned Colorado, the issue of birth control. Another intrinsic evil in most cases.

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Psalm 11:5 ESV /
The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence.

Matthew 26:52-54 ESV /
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

Isaiah 60:18 ESV /
Violence shall no more be heard in your land, devastation or destruction within your borders; you shall call your walls Salvation, and your gates Praise.

Matthew 5:38-39 ESV /
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Proverbs 3:31
Do not envy a man of violence and do not choose any of his ways,

https://www.openbible.info/topics/violence

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Fantine said:

. Are you saying that gun control is an intrinsic evil???

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hsilgne said:

NFP is not abstinence.

Couples who practice NFP do not abstain from having sex.

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MikeK said:

NFP-to-avoid is periodic abstinence, as shared by the USCCB. It is abstinence from sex during fertile or questionably fertile periods (which often coincide with periods of peak sexual desire for females). Couples who choose to practice NFP to avoid will be abstaining from sex while couples who choose to through caution to the wind, contracept, attempt conception, or are infertile are not.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-act...lanning/what-is-nfp/nfp-basic-information.cfm

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hsilgne said:

LOL

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MikeK said:

Laugh all you like if that is the best, most charitable, most Christ-like contribution you feel you can make to the discussion in service of the God that suffered and died for you, but "abstinence" is the term that describes what people who are using NFP to avoid are doing during periods of possible fertility. There are, of course, people who chart their fertility symptoms and only use contraception when they may be fertile, but those people cannot be said to be using NFP in a sense than any Catholic theologian would recognize.

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Rhamiel said:

it would have been interesting if he had a priest or nun on his team

He does. Father Frank Pavone, Priests for Life

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Fantine said:

What is interesting about this list is that, according to the Washington Post, Clinton is leading Trump in the Catholic vote by 55 to 32%, but when I look at the list, with one notable exception, there is not a single person who is likely to move any of the 55% into Trump's corner because they have never shown any concern for (and in some cases are diametrically opposed to) the social justice imperatives that the 55% are concerned about.

I looked at all the names that seemed to have promise--like Austin Ruse, of the Center of Family and Human Rights. Ugh! He's a Breitbart columnist. There was the anti-feminist feminist, the financial planner....

But there was one lone (and probably very lonely) person who was the real deal. John Klink, who works with refugees from the Middle East and elsewhere and helps prepare them for life in the United States. I am so pleased that he is taking part in helping Trump (although I highly doubt he'll vote for him).

While it's important, I guess, that these conservatives try to help Trump keep the 32% of Catholic voters he has, that's not a winning strategy for him. As a "social justice Catholic," I was only able to find one person out of the 33 who would have a remote chance of influencing Catholics like me. Most of the other 32 (the politicians in particular) would make me less likely to vote for him.

So what is Trump up to? Why is he trying to protect the 32% without even reaching out remotely to capture the votes of a small handful of the 55% who oppose him?

He has alienated so many demographic groups he doesn't have many he can try to swing over. College-educated white men, for example--but the NY Times lengthy, exhaustively documented, strong endorsement of Hillary Clinton--sure to be followed by most other news media read by college-educated white men. will make that hard.

He's certainly burned his bridges with almost every minority group and many, many women.

While his missteps encourage me, I would have liked him to have had some seamless garment advisors.

God bless this member of the committee:


http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/a-heart-for-helping-refugees

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pdudgeon said:

well for starters Trump is new to the big ring.
and second there may be lots of well-qualified advisors out there, but do they have the time???

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