Jesus crucified on a Wednesday?

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I hed an interesting theory explained to me that Jesus was Crucified on a Wednesday.

Do any of you have an opinion on this

Here's is a link to the Scriptures that supports the opinion
http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/3days3nights.html

Yes, I believe in the Wednesday crucifixion and late Saturday resurrection. This fits Jesus prophecy of three days and three nights in the tomb which is the only sign He gave to prove He is the Messiah.
The Good Friday, Easter Sunday tradition does not match the promise Jesus gave as proof.
 
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I hed an interesting theory explained to me that Jesus was Crucified on a Wednesday.

Do any of you have an opinion on this

Here's is a link to the Scriptures that supports the opinion
http://ad2004.com/prophecytruths/Articles/Prophecy/3days3nights.html
Not a problem. The Jews did not count days the same way we do.

And if you are still in doubt, consider that theologians of almost every Christian denomination-- Protestant, Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox--are well aware of the "Wednesday crucifixion" theory and don't buy it for a minute.
 
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There are a few problems.
First, the Aramaic version of Matthew is not the Peshitta version. The Peshitta is clearly a translation from Greek to Aramaic on textual criticism grounds, although I have read arguments that say otherwise, but they are not convincing. The Peshitta shows Aramaic contorted to fit grammatical Greek, which makes no sense if it was written in Aramaic originally. Therefore, all the arguments that the article raised based on the Peshitta reading are not too trustworthy.

The second problem is to do with inclusive counting. Classical Latin and Greek both use inclusive counting, while English, Germanic languages in general and modern Romance languages use exclusive counting. Basically, this means that we would say tomorrow is one day away, while the ancients would say it was two away as they also counted today. Few people today realise that the new Testament uses such a counter-intuitive to modern minds, method. So the argument of two days or after three does not apply if you know a bit about the language.

The argument of preparation of unguents for burial and the Annual sabbath is not at all conclusive as it again bases much on ambiguous statements and would require the woman to have travelled and packed during time still allocated to the Sabbath, so does not fit Jewish practice.

It is an interesting theory which really makes no difference to Christianity if it is true or not. However, it is based on the erroneous assumption of the Peshitta as being more accurate than the Greek. Also, the Syriac churches that use the Peshitta also consider the Crucifixion to have been on a friday. Therefore, based on the long standing church tradition and the Greek texts, I still agree with the traditional timing.
 
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The Jews did not have a zero in their number system (neither did the Romans).

So, the day something happened (like the Crucifixion) was the first day;
the next day was the second day;
the next was the third day.
They were labeling the days, not counting elapsed time (when we start from zero).

We see this same pattern in Creation Week, and no one contests it there...o_O
 
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The defining factor is that Jesus explains the meaning of a day- He said it consists of 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness. So one day equals 24 hour period as the Jews of the day observed from sunset to sunset.
Remember the only sign that Jesus would give us that He was the Messiah, the very Son of God was the amount of time He would be in the grave -Matt 12:38-40
You cannot get 3 nights squeezed into the Good Friday and Easter Sunday morning no matter how you twist time.
But you can get 3 days and 3 nights from Late Wed afternoon to late Sat Afternoon.
Our Creator is a God of precise timing as confirmed by the sign of Jonah and other prophecies.
To deny the only sign that Jesus gave to us is to deny Jesus as our savior.
What do rabbits, eggs, and sex symbols have to do with the resurrection of Christ?
 
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The Jews did not have a zero in their number system (neither did the Romans).

So, the day something happened (like the Crucifixion) was the first day;
the next day was the second day;
the next was the third day.
They were labeling the days, not counting elapsed time (when we start from zero).

We see this same pattern in Creation Week, and no one contests it there...o_O


I guess that explains it then? Thanks for posting that.
 
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Not a problem. The Jews did not count days the same way we do.

And if you are still in doubt, consider that theologians of almost every Christian denomination-- Protestant, Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox--are well aware of the "Wednesday crucifixion" theory and don't buy it for a minute.

That, and the fact that the very earliest Christians were all agreed that Christ rose on Sunday, the first day of the week, as the Bible itself says (Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1).
 
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There are a few problems.
First, the Aramaic version of Matthew is not the Peshitta version. The Peshitta is clearly a translation from Greek to Aramaic on textual criticism grounds, although I have read arguments that say otherwise, but they are not convincing. The Peshitta shows Aramaic contorted to fit grammatical Greek, which makes no sense if it was written in Aramaic originally. Therefore, all the arguments that the article raised based on the Peshitta reading are not too trustworthy.

The second problem is to do with inclusive counting. Classical Latin and Greek both use inclusive counting, while English, Germanic languages in general and modern Romance languages use exclusive counting. Basically, this means that we would say tomorrow is one day away, while the ancients would say it was two away as they also counted today. Few people today realise that the new Testament uses such a counter-intuitive to modern minds, method. So the argument of two days or after three does not apply if you know a bit about the language.

The argument of preparation of unguents for burial and the Annual sabbath is not at all conclusive as it again bases much on ambiguous statements and would require the woman to have travelled and packed during time still allocated to the Sabbath, so does not fit Jewish practice.

It is an interesting theory which really makes no difference to Christianity if it is true or not. However, it is based on the erroneous assumption of the Peshitta as being more accurate than the Greek. Also, the Syriac churches that use the Peshitta also consider the Crucifixion to have been on a friday. Therefore, based on the long standing church tradition and the Greek texts, I still agree with the traditional timing.

I am curious to know what traditional timing is then, since Friday thru Sunday don't fit 3 days and three nights. ?
 
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Pamelav,
re: "But as someone pointed out they would have waited too long to annoint Him."



Maybe they thought that the 100 pounds of myrrh and aloes that Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus wrapped the body in would extend the time for further preparations.

Yes, very possible.
 
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This is a common misconception. It is time to check the Bible to see what it says on the subject. The Bible states that Jesus was crucified on the Preparation Day. Which day is that? It is Friday, also known as the 6th day. He then rested on the Sabbath (Saturday) in the tomb and was resurrected early Sunday morning (the first day of the week). Friday to Sunday is 3 days. Jesus kept the Sabbath even in death. For more information go to http://www.jesuschrist.expert/

That makes for two nights, not three. !
 
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Here is a quote from one who reminded us that the Crucifixion was according to the Jewish time frame, not Roman. Interesting paper!

"This is a very interesting and difficult subject as an academic matter, but the time frames are not of essential truth ---that is, not required to know to be right with God and obedient. We surely would not want to press it on anyone. The time frames are a matter of conscience, but some understanding will help to explain Matthew 12:40. Regardless of the exact hour, it seems to have been night when Jesus died, which placed Him in death by Jewish count as Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturday night, I believe. He arose on the first day (the Lord's day to Christians).

"My understanding of this has to do with the Jewish day (Hebrew time), and our present day (Roman time). Jewish day ends and a new one begins in our evening---at about 6 P.M. One needs to distinguish also between crucifixion time and death. Here is how one might understand the time frames from Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:25; Luke 23:44-46; John 19: 14.

"Our Wed. -beginning 12:01 AM (Roman time): the Last supper; Jesus arrested (evening); Hearing before High Priest.
6 PM (Roman time) Jewish fifth day begins.

"Our Thur. -beginning 12:01 AM (Roman time): Jesus sent to Pilate in AM; Jesus all day with Pilate/Romans; At Jew 3rd hr. Jesus crucified (9 PM Roman time); darkness is over the whole earth at Jew 6th hr. (midnight Roman time).
6 PM (Roman time) Jew sixth day begins.

"Our Fri. -beginning 1201 AM (Roman time): At 3 AM (Roman time) Jesus died (Jew 9th hr.); Later in the day Jesus entombed before the Sabbath began at 6 PM.
6 PM (Roman time): Jews seventh day begins (Sabbath day).

"Our Sat. -beginning 1201 AM (Roman time): Jesus in the tomb; Sabbath day continues.
6 PM (Roman time): Jews first day begins

"Our Sun. -beginning 1201 AM (Roman time): Resurrection of the Lord early.
6 PM (Roman time) Jews second day begins

"It appears that Jesus was in the grave according to the Jewish time frames, and often revealed and spoken of by the Roman time frame. This would be part of the Jewish sixth day and part of their Sabbath (part of our Friday and our Saturday), and part of their first day (our Sunday). Thus it was "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40), or in proper order as three nights and three days. To arrive at a proper time one might start from the first day (Sunday --our Lord's day) and work backwards.

"This chart considers all the Gospels, and notes from J. N. Darby’s views---CW Vol.32, p.368 (curious that JND makes no reference to Matthew 12:40).

"[ADDENDUM, 8/04: In response to an inquiry, I would say: The "passion week" is a difficult subject. If I understand correctly from what the scriptural verses say, it should be our 3 AM (Roman time) that Jesus died, it seems, which is the Jewish 9th hour (Mark 15:34-37). Everything hinges on the Jewish day, which begins at our 6 PM. The crucifixion was a Jewish act, so all is in their time frame showing their rejection of their Messiah. Other biblical events in the New Testament concerns the Gentile world and is at times showing Roman time.

"In other words, Jesus was arrested by Jews sometime on our Wednesday evening, questioned, then delivered to Pilate the following morning (Thursday). Jesus was questioned by Pilate, shown to the mob, mocked by soldiers and beaten, then crucified about the "third hour" of the day (Jewish time --Mark 15:25) ---9 P.M. Roman time. His death was stated as about "the ninth hour". This would seem to correspond to 3 AM (Friday), and which would be the Jewish 9th hour on our Friday. ]

"[ADDENDUM, 1/05: Response to an inquiry. Mark is considered by many to be in more chronological order than other Gospels, but that does not mean that Mark covered every aspect of the event. The Lord was taken on our Wednesday evening, as I have said---the beginning of the Jewish fifth day. To reconcile all accounts in the Gospels, one must see Mark 15:1 as a time after our midnight Wednesday as morning---being Thursday. The Jews wanted Jesus taken away before the Sabbath---that is 6 P.M. Friday, and He was (see chart).

"A question was raised about how women could look on afar off, and a man run to get the vinegar if it was dark; and what point is there of having three dark hours if it was naturally dark at midnight to 3 AM? Well, one can see at night, and "afar off" is only a relative term. One can also hurry at night, and how far was it---a few feet? I believe God is saying that at the sixth hour (midnight) the sky was dark ("over all the earth" --note Luke 23:44). The whole world was in darkness by the hand of God. This is noteworthy to describe conditions, but doesn't alter the facts. The crucifixion is suggested as at 3 P.M. by some saints, but where does that thought come from? At the time of the crucifixion it was the dawning of a day, and God seems to have kept it dark from then to the veil being rent.

"Mark 15:42 is speaking of the late day (see also Luke 23:54--the "Sabbath drew on"). Perhaps it was then late afternoon on that Friday, and they needed to get the Lord down before 6 P.M. when the Sabbath began.

"One questioned how we might know the Jewish day began at 6 P.M. J. N. Darby specified 6 P.M. as the customary time of the day change. I had always before just thought it was sundown. If one calculates from 6 P.M., then the sixth hour is midnight, and the ninth hour is 3 A.M., but even if the Jewish day began and ended at 5 P.M. or 7 P.M., it still would not alter the time much---certainly not to 3 P.M as is often asserted.

"One might refer to JND CW, Vol.32, p.368-372 for some discussion. One needs also to reconcile Matthew 12:40, and ask which days this would be for Jesus. I think it is our (or Roman) time of Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturday night. I continue to review this matter, and we may never know the truth of it in this world. - RLD].
 
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One needs to compare ALL scripture on the subject to see the full picture, Expert. I find the paper I posted quite plausible, and covering everything on the subject; but since you consider yourself the "expert" you can hold whatever you wish.
 
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re: "The Bible states that Jesus was crucified on the Preparation Day. Which day is that? It is Friday, also known as the 6th day."

Not necessarily. That the term "preparation day" did not always have to mean the day before the 7th day Sabbath is attested to by Rabbi Samuel Lacks who states: "The day of preparation (Greek 'paraskeue') equals Friday OR the day before a holiday [A Rabbinic Commentary of the New Testament]". Therefore, the preparation day mentioned did not have to be referring to the 6th day of the week. And the evidence for that in this particular case is the Messiah's forecast that He would be 3 nights in the "heart of the earth" - Matthew 12:40.
 
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