(moved) "RACE" IS AN ARTIFICIAL SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

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No, it's not a pointless triviality. But they aren't true Christians...
That is easy to say but very hard to prove. Only God knows if they are truly saved by calling on the Name of Messiah.

"‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Acts 2.21 quoting Joel 2.32
 
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"You said that word was not found in the bible. I showed you it was.
Take it up with the translators of the NIV."
Like I said, stop spreading the "RACE" lie DAVEw
You did not address the point I made.

Race is NOT a lie. Race is a God-given distinction intended for mutual blessing. Unfortunately, evil men have turned Joseph's words to his brothers on its head.

What God meant for good they have turned into evil. (ref Gen 50.20)
 
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You just want to argue at this point. No, He doesn't. God cares about the heart... But hey, if you want to look at skin color, go right ahead... That's the problem with our society. People try to group other people into categories... We are all created in the image of God, regardless of skin color...

i'm asking you to explain YOUR words, which stated that God has done things arbitrarily. I disagree. Everything He does has a purpose, and was with thought and design.

Progressives have moved toward ignoring the distinctions and diversity which God Himself has made. Distinctions such as male and female, for instance. . .

"That's the problem with our society. People try to group other people into categories"

That's "the problem with our society"?! How did you come to that conclusion?
 
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Everything matters in God's eyes.

Ok, let's assume that's true.

Then in God'd eyes it matters how tall I am. So why don't we divide societies up according to our height instead of our skin colour.
We could call it apart-height.
 
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Then in God'd eyes it matters how tall I am. So why don't we divide societies up according to our height instead of our skin colour.
It happens:

Standing tall pays off, study finds
"The findings suggest that someone who is 6 feet tall earns, on average, nearly $166,000 more during a 30-year career than someone who is 5 feet 5 inches--even when controlling for gender, age and weight."
We could call it apart-height.
Cute.
 
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Pope Francis, Queen Elizabeth II, David Rockefeller, all the Rothschilds.... you know... the Illuminati, the "powers that be," the ones who worship Satan and have souled their souls for world domination. (Matthew 4:8-9). Wake up.

I would indeed like to see quotes from Pope Francis and Queen Elizabeth II saying that they want to quit their sovereignty over their nations (Vatican City and the United Kingdom) in order to start, somehow, ruling over the whole world.

Promoting tolerance and acceptance for one or more particular groups (such as race) leads to the promotion of tolerance for all groups (such as all religions, sexualities, etc.). That is how multiculturalism works. The world defines the LBGT community as a culture. I have known many multiculturalist Christians who also promote tolerance for homosexuals. There are even gay Christians out there.

I promote tolerance for homosexuals and LGBT groups. Surely, I strongly disagree with their practices and I refuse to accept them as morally correct, but this does not mean that I would reject them as people. Their existence should be freely tolerated by everyone. In other words, I promote tolerance for homosexuals and intolerance for homosexuality. Gay Christians need to be taught that their activities are incorrect in light of the Bible.

Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. Leviticus 19:19

(“Field” is a reference to descended offspring, and “garment mingled of linen of wollen” (other versions say “clothing mixed with two kinds of material”) refers to a person who is a hybrid of two different races.)


But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the Lord your God, which have separated you from other people. Leviticus 20:24

And Israel abode in [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. Numbers 25:1-4

And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. Deuteronomy 7:2-4

Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled. Deuteronomy 22:9

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. Deuteronomy 23:2

(Where “bastard” in the KJV is used in this passage, the Hebrew is מַמְזֵר or “mamzer,” which means “mongrel race” in this context. The Greek Septuagint (LXX) uses “allogenes,” which is a combination of two Greek words, "allos" meaning other, and "genos" meaning race.)


And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and forgat the Lord their God, and served Baalim and the groves. Judges 3:5-7

And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers. Nehemiah 9:2

And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding... Nehemiah 10:28

Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they separated from Israel all the mixed multitude. Nehemiah 13:3

Those verses do not argue for racial segregation. They are directed specifically at Israel, that the people should not mix with other nations, so as to avoid following their evil practices. But it never says that whites should not be mixed with blacks.
 
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Or evil men, aka:men?

Some creatures are quite different post-fall, aren't they?
Thank you, that was exactly the point I was trying to make...

i'm asking you to explain YOUR words, which stated that God has done things arbitrarily. I disagree. Everything He does has a purpose, and was with thought and design.
But, as you point out, that purpose and design often gets corrupted.

In the example at hand, humans have distinctions that were designed solely for the purpose of humans being able to fill the Earth (Genesis 1:28). But post-fall these distinctions have become an excuse for arbitrary discrimination by evil men.

Progressives have moved toward ignoring the distinctions and diversity which God Himself has made.
Not correct. We progressives are trying to move towards recognising these distinctions for what they actually are (as God designed), and ignoring, combating, and allowing for their post-fall corruption. (Matthew 6:10)
 
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"The findings suggest that someone who is 6 feet tall earns, on average, nearly $166,000 more during a 30-year career than someone who is 5 feet 5 inches--even when controlling for gender, age and weight."
That's not so much discrimination than an interesting effect. I suppose it could technically be classified as discrimination. But it's orders of magnitude less significant than racism.
 
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Not correct. We progressives are trying to move towards recognising these distinctions for what they actually are (as God designed), and ignoring, combating, and allowing for their post-fall corruption.


Has God created men and women to be different?
 
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Are you saying that dark skin color is a corruption of God's design?
No.
Good grief.
Try comprehending the whole post before replying...
I wrote: But post-fall these distinctions have become an excuse for arbitrary discrimination by evil men.

I'm saying that these distinctions (e.g.: skin colour etc.) that were designed by God for one purpose (global propagation), have been corrupted by evil men for another purpose (discrimination).
 
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Has God created men and women to be different?
Men and women are created physically different for the purpose of making and nursing babies. But that's not necessarily the same as being different. Your question is ambiguous, so my answer depends on what you actually mean.
 
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No.
Good grief.
Try comprehending the whole post before replying...
I wrote: But post-fall these distinctions have become an excuse for arbitrary discrimination by evil men.

I'm saying that these distinctions (e.g.: skin colour etc.) that were designed by God for one purpose (global propagation), have been corrupted by evil men for another purpose (discrimination).

God created dark skin to propagate the earth?! Your posts are borderline racist, IMO.
 
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Men and women are created physically different for the purpose of making and nursing babies. But that's not necessarily the same as being different. Your question is ambiguous, so my answer depends on what you actually mean.

Breasts are the only distinction you see? Good thing there aren't any feminists around here.
 
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God created dark skin to propagate the earth?! Your posts are borderline racist, IMO.

Breasts are the only distinction you see? Good thing there aren't any feminists around here.
Either you have a severe problem with comprehension, or you are trolling me.
I'm happy to explain, listen, debate and discuss with you when you start being sensible. But not before then.
 
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Either you have a severe problem with comprehension, or you are trolling me.
I'm happy to explain, listen, debate and discuss with you when you start being sensible. But not before then.

I've made a point using your bias, and I can tell it's landed. For those slow to catch on, use the back button.
 
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I've made a point using your bias, and I can tell it's landed. For those slow to catch on, use the back button.
I'll go against my keener instincts, and assume that you are not trolling. (Although the sentence "Good thing there aren't any feminists around here" strongly suggests that you are.)

I may well have a bias. But even so, it has nothing to do with the comments you made; which were non-sequiturs. So no, even if you do have a point it is still only in your head, and has not "landed".

Seeing as you seem to be having trouble comprehending my words, I'll give you a few clues.

1. Why do humans have a range of skin colours?
2. Why do women have mammary glands?
3. What are the other non-trivial differences between women and men?
 
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Seeing as you seem to be having trouble comprehending my words, I'll give you a few clues.

1. Why do humans have a range of skin colours?
2. Why do women have mammary glands?
3. What are the other non-trivial differences between women and men?

Would you like me to answer these questions, or are you giving me "a few clues"?
 
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