Where does God tell men to make a Bible?

Amorphous said:

Where in the Bible does God tell men to compile writings and call it a Bible?

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Listen to my instruction and be wise; do not ignore it. (Proverbs 8:33, 1984 NIV)

Amorphous said:

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

What writings at the time of this verse was considered scripture?

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Anything that is legitimately inspired by God ("Scripture") qualifies, regardless of when it was written, although things written after the last book of the Bible do not have the authority of Scripture (even if they were inspired by God).

Amorphous said:

As also in all [paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 KJV

-Peter claims Paul's epistles equal as the Tanakh. What about James and himself?

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The Holy Spirit speaking through Peter said that, so does what James thought really matter?

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’ ? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— (John 10:34-35, 1984 NIV)

Jesus is referring to a psalm written by Asaph, but attributing it to the Mosaic Law, which came from God. It is because it was the Holy Spirit that wrote both.

Amorphous said:

Why aren't books quotes and alluded to considered scripture such as Jasher and Enoch?

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The grammar of that question leaves me genuinely not understanding what you are asking.

Psalms 14:2 The LORD looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God.

The 'canon' of the Bible is discussed in other places. I'm not sure about your question, the title of this thread.

Leviticus 10:8 to 11:

Then the Lord spoke to Aaron, (9) “Do not drink wine or strong drink, you and your sonswith you, when you enter into the Meeting Tent, so that you do not die, which is a perpetual statutethroughout your generations, (10) as well as to distinguish between the holy and the common, and between the unclean and the clean, (11) and to teach the Israelites all the statutesthat the Lord has spoken to them through Moses.”

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This passage implies to write down the Mosaic Law for future reference, does it not? Whereas this may or may not be binding on Christians as well, it serves as precedent in the matter.

Does the compilation somehow offend you? I cannot quite grasp the reason for the question.

Amorphous said:

What writings at the time of this verse was considered scripture?

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As far as the Jews - which pretty much included all the Christians - were concerned, the Tanakh was it.

The Christian Bible was not formally assembled until about the Fourth Century (and some debate lingers on even yet...)

Amorphous said:

Peter claims Paul's epistles equal as the Tanakh. What about James and himself?

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See the discussion about the New Testament canonization.

Amorphous said:

Why aren't books quotes and alluded to considered scripture such as Jasher and Enoch?

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The 'other books' which were concurrent with the Tanakh were not considered 'scripture' or 'Holy' by the Jews of the time. Consequently, they were not adopted as part of the 'Old Testament' (that's some of the 'lingering debate', by the way). Many other books concurrent with the New Testament were rejected for various reasons mentioned in the canonization process.

Your best answer (which someone else may share) should be recorded in church history, of which I'm ignorant of, in general. The potential reasons I'm aware of are:

1. They do not come from the teaching of Jesus or any of the twelve apostles. (Not entirely convincing on its own, but there is merit to the idea—from Ephesians 2:20.)
2. They have something contradictory to Scripture in them (the Scripture that is more clearly and reliably inspired by God).
3. They are not of high enough quality (God inspired all of Scripture and there is a pattern of a certain level of quality consistent in the books of the canon).
4. The Holy Spirit convicted those responsible for choosing the canon not to include them. The Holy Spirit being involved in choosing the canon is assured, but I refer to a more conscious recognition of a leading by the Holy Spirit.

There is a tendency to attribute incompetence to "some guys" that lived 1600 years ago and argued among themselves about what to include, but they were far from incompetent. Also, because of their greater need of God (because they had less control over their lives than we have), it is easy for me to believe they were more reliant on and better connected to God than most of us are today.

It makes no sense to ask where does God (capitalized) tell men to make a bible.

A Bible is a collection of ancient writings that are bound together for the convenience of the reader. The contents of that collection are considered to be the foundation of Judaism and the various Christian religions. The contents of the individual bibles are determined by the particular religion (Judaism, Protestantism, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, etc.) There are other ancient works that are not included in the various bibles because the aren't considered canonical.

I hope this is helpful.

Exodus 17:14; 34:27; Numbers 33:2; Deuteronomy 17:18; Nehemiah 6:17; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; 36:2, 4, 28, 32; Ezekiel 43:11; Hosea 8:12; Habakkuk 2:2; Revelation 1:11; 14:13; 19:9; 21:5.

The following are not direct commands, but are somewhat related/implied: Exodus 24:4; Deuteronomy 18:18; 1 Samuel 10:25; Jeremiah 1:4; 51:60; Daniel 7:1; Hosea 1:1; Joel 1:1; Jonah 1:1; Micah 1:1; Zephaniah 1:1; Haggai 1:1; Zechariah 1:1; Revelation 3:12.

Mark51 said:

I hope this is helpful.

Exodus 17:14; 34:27; Numbers 33:2; Deuteronomy 17:18; Nehemiah 6:17; Isaiah 30:8; Jeremiah 30:2; 36:2, 4, 28, 32; Ezekiel 43:11; Hosea 8:12; Habakkuk 2:2; Revelation 1:11; 14:13; 19:9; 21:5.

The following are not direct commands, but are somewhat related/implied: Exodus 24:4; Deuteronomy 18:18; 1 Samuel 10:25; Jeremiah 1:4; 51:60; Daniel 7:1; Hosea 1:1; Joel 1:1; Jonah 1:1; Micah 1:1; Zephaniah 1:1; Haggai 1:1; Zechariah 1:1; Revelation 3:12.

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It isn't. God didn't tell men to make a Bible. God told men to write things down on scrolls and papyri. A Bible is a collection of those writings bound together in one volume. The contents of the various bibles are determined by the different religions/denominations. They are not the same.

BTW, the word "bible" is not in the Bible.

pescador said:

It isn't. God didn't tell men to make a Bible. God told men to write things down on scrolls and papyri. A Bible is a collection of those writings bound together in one volume. The contents of the various bibles are determined by the different religions/denominations. They are not the same.

BTW, the word "bible" is not in the Bible.

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Actually, "biblos" made its way into the Bible, just not in the sense of "compilation of Scripture". Sometimes it means individual parts of it (Mark 12:26, Luke 3:4, Acts 1:20...)

pescador said:

BTW, the word "bible" is not in the Bible.

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Yes, actually, it is. 2nd Timothy 4:13.

Amorphous said:

Where in the Bible does God tell men to compile writings and call it a Bible?

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The Bible as we know it today is a collection of books...
In ancient times, it was referred to as Scripture, or Holy Writ...
That which is hand-written...

This quote from Revelation shows how Biblical writing CAN come directly by vision from God...
Here God directly tells John to write the Book of the Apocalypse...

Other Books each have some specific warrant, often being that of the decisions of the Body of Christ-God Who is the Head of His Own Body, the Ekklesia of God...

Paul's epistles, for instance, were not written to be in the Bible, but were specifically written to particular Churches addressing their particular pastoral needs. So that being pastoral, not theological, they were included in the Church's Canon of Scripture because of their great value in showing the way Apostolic pastoral care is lovingly given...

Arsenios

I would also point out the evidence of the assembly of the Bible. Christian men 'seemed' (were inspired or directed by God?) to think a collection of the germane writings of the Judeo-Christian experience would be a good idea. The process began and took some time. (Some might argue the process is still in motion.)

In this all, the Lord God seems to have allowed, encouraged and enabled the process.

If God did not initially inspire the assembly of the various works that now comprise the Bible (and I find it hard to believe humanity came up with in idea of such magnitude without input from God), then one must conclude God agreed to and allowed the process.

If one thinks God didn't like the idea, one must conclude humans under the guise of Christianity have out maneuvered God - which I also find hard to believe.

Amorphous said:

Where in the Bible does God tell men to compile writings and call it a Bible?

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV

What writings at the time of this verse was considered scripture?

As also in all [paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 KJV

-Peter claims Paul's epistles equal as the Tanakh. What about James and himself?

Why aren't books quotes and alluded to considered scripture such as Jasher and Enoch?



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All scripture breathed by the holy spirit is considered the word of God. Those who know of them, and have them, should study them. The bible is not the only word of God.

God Is Immortal said:

All scripture breathed by the holy spirit is considered the word of God. Those who know of them, and have them, should study them. The bible is not the only word of God.

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This thinking and the many deceptions of satan have led many into much error opposed to YHWH recently (as seen on this forum this year) especially,
as well as long ago.

YHWH GUARDS HIS WORD. That's why, that's enough, and that's sufficient.

Amorphous said:

Why aren't books quotes and alluded to considered scripture such as Jasher and Enoch?

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Not usually Greg. Such history is over full of deception and error on purpose,
same as Y'SHUA faced when HE was walking on earth.

Greg J. said:

Your best answer (which someone else may share) should be recorded in church history

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"There is no condemnation to those who are IN CHRIST JESUS."(echad with HIM).
"Take heed what you listen to."

Major1 said:

However, when you read what it said in that book about angels and salvation and sin, why does that not cause you to be concerned?????

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

This thinking and the many deceptions of satan have led many into much error opposed to YHWH recently (as seen on this forum this year) especially,
as well as long ago.

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...as long as the holy spirit speaks there is more. God does not change. He still talks today. There are more prophecies and more revelations.


The bible is just a collection of several people's writings who had the holy spirit. Those with the holy spirit today receive communication from that spirit. As I said before, God does not change.

God Is Immortal said:

...as long as the holy spirit speaks there is more. God does not change. He still talks today. There are more prophecies and more revelations.


The bible is just a collection of several people's writings who had the holy spirit. Those with the holy spirit today receive communication from that spirit. As I said before, God does not change.

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Yes, (sort of) - not agreeing,
because
there is a massive amount of deception all around,
thru churches and society...
and many are saying they have / had
a 'vision' a 'word' a 'dream' a 'revelation' that must be true
because they trust god
but their lives and the word of their testimony and what they themselves say (not what someone else says)
does not conform to what YHWH says.

Revelation from YHWH ABBA ELOHIM is required even to seek HIM and HIS KINGDOM, to know Y'SHUA and to know YHWH,
to be HIS SHEEP and HEAR HIS VOICE ----
all precisely and accurately and perfectly in total HARMONY with HIS WORD.....

any "new" (as you say or refer to)
revelation that is not of HIM nor from HIM
is not accepted.

any "new" (as you say or refer to)
revelation or message, that IS OF HIM, that IS FROM HIM,
is verified by HIS WORD (THE BIBLE), necessarily completely in HARMONY with YHWH and all of HIS WORD, and always with Y'SHUA MESSIAH ECHAD KING SAVIOR,
or it is absolutely and finally for all time rejected.

If it is unknown or unknowable at the time, it sits until known as true (not ever contradictory to HIS WORD).

God does not change.

God Is Immortal said:

God does not change....

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Lots of religious folk think otherwise. (like the religious teachers and lawyers thought, who opposed Y'SHUA)