The issue of marital rape is complicated. The Bible gave man dominion of his wife's body, but man is instructed to love his wife even as Christ loved the church. Women are intended to be submissive to men as the man is the head of the family, but the wife is also an important partner and not an owned property like so much furniture. Sex is supposed to be a pleasurable activity for both which deepens their love for each other. This is the beauty of the sacrament God created.
You totally miss the point.
SO many strange ideas here. Firstly, having sex with a sleeping partner is creepy, if not borderline rape. Why wouldn't someone prefer their partner to be conscious and responsive? Why not wake the partner up first? Starting intercourse without the give and take that usually comprises any sexual activity is the act of someone who isn't very interested in the other person's wants or needs. And there is nothing "fine" about the line between passion and aggression. My goodness, that's a rapist's charter if I ever heard of one. "Your honor, I felt such passion for this woman, I had to have sex with her right away ..."
There should be zero aggression between people who love each other.
But that's an agreement, KWIM? You two have personally agreed that this is okay. That's consent. I didn't see that in the other post. I saw "it's ok to start sex with a sleeping partner." Without that agreement, no it's not.
So do you think it's okay if a man has sex with a wife. If the wife doesn't want to have sex? I really don't think rape is an over use word. So I'm not getting your comment.
Exactly. The thing is, it's hard to criminalize something that is natural unless it becomes clearly criminal. Some people like to be tied up or otherwise restrained. If that's their particular fetish and their partner plays along, how easy is it then for them to cry rape if they get mad at their partner? The point is, it's a difficult thing to ascertain sometimes and a misunderstanding can suddenly be lumped in with a 20 year felony. The lines aren't always clearly defined. That's one reason that your sex partner should be your marital partner first. "Rape" is a common fantasy of women, but it's not the same thing. In the fantasy version they are submitting to an irresistible partner. They aren't being beaten or assaulted. Add intoxicants to the equation and a simple case of bad judgment can turn into a felony. That's why many people have a skeptical view of marital rape. The two becoming one flesh implies consent. If you're going to cry marital rape, you have to make sure your partner KNOWS you are not consenting. Going silent doesn't work. No means no, but you have to make sure your message is received. The better solution is to love each other as Christ loved the church. One does not willingly hurt the ones they love.
You still don't get consent to do you. Two people engaging in mutual BDSM is consent. A woman consenting to PLAY at rape with her partner is consent.
