My "Embedded Age" Challenge

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
And he especially blesses the scientists, not just from our country but from all around the world. Why? Because it is they who examine and present the unchangeable evidence left by Gods creation.

Wrong reason.

They are blessed before they're even born.

Specifically, they're blessed with [what you call] a "special talent."

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Not this creationist.

Many times I emphasize the earth only at the end of Day One of the creation week, before Day Two.

Especially if I'm dealing with someone trying to factor in plate tectonics, the sun and other things.

Even the land doesn't exist yet.

And for the record, I call it Terra Aqua to distinguish it from Terra Firma (which, as I said, doesn't exist yet).

But the bottom line is that you favor age without history which presents a literal interpretation showing God as a deceiver. Furthermore, plate tectonics in a 6000 year time frame is YEC.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
But the bottom line is that you favor age without history ...

Try again, chief.

Try MATURITY without history.

RickG said:
Furthermore, plate tectonics is a 6000 year time frame is YEC.

What plate tectonics?

There were no plates at the end of Day One.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Try again, chief.

Try MATURITY without history.

What plate tectonics?

There were no plates at the end of Day One.

Maturity shows a chronological history of all geological and biological processes. That's deception.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
For a literalist you are quite non-literal.

Then here's the passage in question.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Show me where plate tectonics fit in here, or retract your false accusation.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
Maturity shows a chronological history of all geological and biological processes.

That's right.

But maturity without history doesn't.

As Adam demonstrated.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Then here's the passage in question.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Show me where plate tectonics fit in here, or retract your false accusation.

It doesn't exclude it with respect to the earth, however, heaven is not the universe as the sun, stars and moon are not created until later.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
That's right.

But maturity without history doesn't.

As Adam demonstrated.

It being there shows HISTORY. That's deception.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
That's right.

But maturity without history doesn't.

As Adam demonstrated.

Adams age is not given.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
It doesn't exclude it with respect to the earth, however, heaven is not the universe as the sun, stars and moon are not created until later.

That is correct.

Heaven is either Third Heaven, or it is the [as yet unpopulated] space we call Second Heaven.

The only thing with mass/energy in existence at the end of Genesis 1:1 is a giant pool of sea water in the hollow of God's hand, and I challenge you to show me plate tectonics there, or retract your false accusation.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
It being there shows HISTORY. That's deception.

You're wrong.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
Adams age is not given.

That's right.

It isn't.

Even when he dies, it says ...

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

As opposed to ...

Genesis 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

That's because Adam was either 950 or 960 mature years when he died, but he only lived 930 years physically.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
You're wrong.

I agree, which has convinced me to re-access my position on the Genesis creation account. I no longer view it as a non-literal allegory (story) about the biblical creation. I now view it as a completely made up story by man.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
I agree, which has convinced me to re-access my position on the Genesis creation account. I no longer view it as a non-literal allegory (story) about the biblical creation. I now view it as a completely made up story by man.

That's your prerogative.

And the fact that you view me as a YEC tells me your ability to see and view things is messed up.

VirOptimus · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
That's your prerogative.

And the fact that you view me as a YEC tells me your ability to see and view things is messed up.

But you are a YEC. Your stance is nothing more then a variant of last thursday-ism.

Unoriginal and wrong.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
That's your prerogative.

And the fact that you view me as a YEC tells me your ability to see and view things is messed up.

That's your opinion with which I disagree.

RickG · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
That's your prerogative.

And the fact that you view me as a YEC tells me your ability to see and view things is messed up.

The maturity idea without history is embedded in the YEC literature, under the name of "The Omphalos Hypothesis". It is not an original idea that you coined.

driewerf · Sep 4, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Not this creationist.

Many times I emphasize the earth only at the end of Day One of the creation week, before Day Two.

Especially if I'm dealing with someone trying to factor in plate tectonics, the sun and other things.

Even the land doesn't exist yet.

And for the record, I call it Terra Aqua to distinguish it from Terra Firma (which, as I said, doesn't exist yet).

Yep, exactly. You focus completely on the earth ignoring the vast, vast Universe.

AV1611VET · Sep 4, 2016

RickG said:
The maturity idea without history is embedded in the YEC literature, under the name of "The Omphalos Hypothesis". QUOTE]
Not it isn't.

Omphalos is maturity with history; whereas Embedded Age Creation is maturity without history.

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