(moved) "RACE" IS AN ARTIFICIAL SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

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There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

As a Catholic/Christian I believe in mankind. The sons and daughters of Adam.

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Race is a social construct, but our biology interprets it as real -- not in the sense that we intuitively know that someone is a caucasian and and another a negroid, but that differences in appearance preconsciously determine reactions. These reactions can be blunted through learning, but I don't think they can ever be erased completely. This is an evolutionary thing; we're evolved to associate with those who share the most genes with us, i.e., who look most like us. But this can be overcome through reframing and willing, not to mention finding cultural similarities that can bond people of different "races" together.
 
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we're evolved to associate with those who share the most genes with us
That may well be true for you, but it is not true in my experience.

Here's a thing that is true:

I am much more likely to trust a man with a beard than I am a man without a beard. My daughters "inherited" this trait, probably due to the prominence of bearded men she met when she was young (I was a member of the wider biker community).

So when my youngest daughter got lost at an art gallery, I eventually found her holding hands with a hairy biker type.

She had (correctly) found the most trustworthy person in the building. He wasn't my "race" or "ethnicity". He just looked a bit like dad because he had a ridiculous beard; and that was enough.

So no, we haven't "evolved" to "associate with those who we share the most genes with". That is total nonsense. It is just that as infants, we have learnt to trust those who hang out with mum and dad. Not genetics, just vigilance. Freaking simple stupid!

I still don't trust men who don't have beards:

If Your Dad Doesn't Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums.
 
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There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

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I don't believe you, and I've asked Hitler. He doesn't believe you either. ;)

Seriously, what point are you trying to make here?
 
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Please explain what you mean by saying "race is a lie".
God sees the heart. All hearts are red. Therefore there is no such thing as race. We MUST learn to look through His eyes at HIS creation, and not through our own.
 
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That may well be true for you, but it is not true in my experience.

Here's a thing that is true:

I am much more likely to trust a man with a beard than I am a man without a beard. My daughters "inherited" this trait, probably due to the prominence of bearded men she met when she was young (I was a member of the wider biker community).

So when my youngest daughter got lost at an art gallery, I eventually found her holding hands with a hairy biker type.

She had (correctly) found the most trustworthy person in the building. He wasn't my "race" or "ethnicity". He just looked a bit like dad because he had a ridiculous beard; and that was enough.

So no, we haven't "evolved" to "associate with those who we share the most genes with". That is total nonsense. It is just that as infants, we have learnt to trust those who hang out with mum and dad. Not genetics, just vigilance. Freaking simple stupid!

I still don't trust men who don't have beards:

If Your Dad Doesn't Have a Beard, You've Got Two Mums.

I should have said that we're naturally evolved to associate with those who share the most genes with us. We can definitely override nature in this regard through, you know, nurture, and you give a great example of that.

That said, I've never quite understood the idea that I unintentionally stated, that we're evolved to trust (only) those who are closest to us genetically. This is because there is no mechanism I've come across that would tell us who is most genetically close to us, other than broad identifiers like ethnicity. Other animals have the mechanism through things like smell; take a rat from its nest and dab it with the smell of another rats' nest and he'll be eaten alive (which is a great metaphor for culture: we like those who ideologically smell the most like us, this primitive part of the brain working with the refined neocortex to determine who's in or out, which is another primitive tendency). We don't have this mechanism, at least not to the degree that other animals do.
 
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we're evolved to associate with those who share the most genes with us,
Nope, that is not my experience at all. I am often at a loss to remember, or even notice, the ethnicity of people I share time with.
Maybe you are more evolved than me.
 
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Using the scientific definition of "race" there is only one human race. However different populations of humans do look slightly different from each other, and this difference is - unhelpfully - also referred to as "race".

The differences are arbitrary and insignificant, but they are there. These differences are useful for identifying people, but so is the fact that each individual looks somewhat different from every other individual.

These "race" differences are sometimes used to identify (or self-identify) different families or tribes, which might be useful in certain circumstances, but can also cause huge problems. But in the end these differences only have the value we give to them. They are only as real as we want them to be.

We would all be better off if our "race" was like our blood group; useful in some circumstances, but otherwise ignored.
Why is it "useful" to identify people? People are already easily identified as.... people.
 
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Why is it "useful" to identify people? People are already easily identified as.... people.
I'll give you an example. I'm a male, so a growth in my abdomen that is genetically different to me is probably a problem, but if I was a female it probably wouldn't be a problem.

Here's another example. I'm a white Anglo-Celtic, so if I was found to have sickle-cell anaemia, that would be a worry. But if I was a black-skinned person from sub-Saharan Africa, then it's pretty normal.

So people aren't people. We are all equal, be we ain't all the same.
 
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Race identification is very important for a variety of legal reasons
If identification is so important then why can we not identify people? Lets say we have two races: black and white. Where did the white people come from? When did they become white? Do you want to go by blond hair and blue eyes? Because having blue eyes is a fairly recent "mutation" and involves a fairly select group of people. Blond hair like the blue eyes represents a lack of pigment. Here is a picture of my niece with her brother, what race do you think she is?

The problem is you can be 1/16 black and 15/16 white and in the south they still consider you to be a part of the black race. Black men in America on the average are 60% black and 40% white. Black women in America on the average are 60% white and 40% black. So what race are they? We fought a Civil war over this issue and 620,000 people died.
 

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There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

As a Catholic/Christian I believe in mankind. The sons and daughters of Adam.

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Agreed :thumbsup:
 
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Agreed :thumbsup:
I also think the term "race" is different to ethnicity /ethnic class which is used to describe geographically where someone is from/different skin types.

Biblically of course there is only one race - the human race which God created and who loves all.
 
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God sees the heart. All hearts are red. Therefore there is no such thing as race. We MUST learn to look through His eyes at HIS creation, and not through our own.

Nice view you have there.
Humans aren't "gods" however and race does exist.
 
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There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

As a Catholic/Christian I believe in mankind. The sons and daughters of Adam.

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Is my white skin colour a social construct? Is my friend's black skin colour a social construct? Please! Race was not invented by slave masters; it is observable and factual.
 
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There is no such thing as race. There are no "breeds" of human beings. Race is an artificial construct invented by SLAVE MASTERS in order to create better, more obedient SLAVES. Dont believe me? Ask Hitler.

As a Catholic/Christian I believe in mankind. The sons and daughters of Adam.

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Agreed. Race comes from Darwinian evolutionary theory that different primates have formed into the various races of man. There is no evolution. We all come from Adam and Eve, therefore we are all members of the same family of man. The various differences in appearances can be attributed to various micro adaptations brought about by geographic climate and conditions. If races were true as the development of differing species, then interracial procreation would not be possible. Or we would see sterile half breeds who could not reproduce such as the breeding of horses and donkeys creating mules.
 
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I don't agree with you one iota (assuming that I understand your awful syntax correctly).

However if you are right, then those Cainites and Canaanites who are not the Sons of Adam are not subject to original sin; and therefore are superior to those of us who need the redeeming blood of Christ.

So when you finally make it into the Kingdom Come, you can look forward to being a servant to those Cainites and Canaanites that you dissed in life.

Original sin? Are you serious? You call yourself a Protestant yet you subscribe to a Catholic teaching? Anyway the following passages of scripture refute original sin: Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, and 1 John 3:7-10. Besides, the only way to receive the "redeeming blood of Christ" is to repent. Repentance is what brings salvation, and obedience is what preserves it. (Matthew 19:17, John 5:24, Luke 11:28, Hebrews 5:9)
 
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Idk if race is a construct.

I mean, yeah you didn't have "black people" until the colonization of the New World and the institution of slavery, rather you just had Ethiopians, Kenyans, Bantu, etc.

However, the Bible mentions three races: the Shemites, the Hamites, and the Japhethites and it lists the traits of each race and were further divided into smaller races (Jews and Arabs are both descendants of Shen).

The modern human races can be traced back to the three original human races.
 
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And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites: And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods. And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and forgat the Lord their God, and served Baalim and the groves. Judges 3:5-7

In this passage, you have six different races listed here. I don't think God thinks that race is a "social construct." Oops!
 
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Idk if race is a construct.

I mean, yeah you didn't have "black people" until the colonization of the New World and the institution of slavery, rather you just had Ethiopians, Kenyans, Bantu, etc.

However, the Bible mentions three races: the Shemites, the Hamites, and the Japhethites and it lists the traits of each race and were further divided into smaller races (Jews and Arabs are both descendants of Shen).
The modern human races can be traced back to the three original human races.

Slavery existed long before white people took native Africans
as slaves.
Various societies in Africa and Asia enslaved prisoners of war. Slavery was also widely practiced amongst the Indians in the Northwest Coast and Eastern Woodlands of the United States, as well as on the islands in the Caribbean Sea. Lynn H. Nelson, from the Department of History of Kansas University, noted that African complicity was an integral part of the African slave trade.
http://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/whiteslaves04.htm

As far as I know slavery has been abolished in most cultures.
One would hope so.

Slavery is still practiced among some of Islam but that is seldom
mentioned.
Google it.
I tried to paste an article here but it won't copy.
 
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Slavery existed long before white people took native Africans
as slaves.
Various societies in Africa and Asia enslaved prisoners of war. Slavery was also widely practiced amongst the Indians in the Northwest Coast and Eastern Woodlands of the United States, as well as on the islands in the Caribbean Sea. Lynn H. Nelson, from the Department of History of Kansas University, noted that African complicity was an integral part of the African slave trade.
http://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/whiteslaves04.htm

As far as I know slavery has been abolished in most cultures.
One would hope so.

Slavery is still practiced among some of Islam but that is seldom
mentioned.
Google it.
I tried to paste an article here but it won't copy.

I know slavery is an ancient practice, but I was referring to a post-bible context.
 
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