Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

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I, personally, find the whole "Gee, why should any non-Christian be here unless they want to be a Christian?" speculation somewhat insulting,

I'm sorry, but I saw no such thing posted on this board.

But, I DID say:  "I can understand if a non-Christian comes to a Christian board out of curiosity, because they're searching for answers, things like that.. "

I NEVER said that they shouldn't be here unless they wanted to be a Christian, and I didn't imply it, either.  Just because a person may be curious about Christianity - or any other faith - or just because they're looking for answers, certainly doesn't mean that they want to convert.
 
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Gee, Bluesonata, I thought I was a Christian too. But I certainly don't fit the narrow definition that you have presented here. I guess I'm out in the cold, huh?

I do not believe that people are basically evil. I believe we are good at our core, perfect creations of a perfect maker, who have become corrupt in our dealings with one another.

I have no idea what to make of your concept of "absolutes." If there *are* absolute truths, then most of them escape me, and I have to be content for now with simple "i don't knows."

I follow Jesus, because he is good and because he promises to redeem this awful mess we've made here on earth. I don't presume to speak to the issue of who he'll save and who he won't.

Does this make me a heathen your eyes, blue? I dunno. I guess its probably not your job to decide though.

Only God knows your heart, Evening Mist.  By the way, I do like that name!  :)

May I ask you a question?  You say that you are a Christian.  Do you believe the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God?  The Word of God (or the Bible) is what I base my belief and my convictions on.

Absolute Truth:  Let me give you an example of Absolute Truth:  Gravity.  If you were to jump off a building, do you think you would be able to fly away just because you believe you could?  I mean, if you truly believe with your WHOLE HEART that you would just fly away, you would, wouldn't you?

Of course not!  Because the ABSOLUTE TRUTH of the Law of Gravity would pull you right to the ground.  Either something exists or it doesn't.  Either it's true or it isn't.  It's that simple.
 
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bluesonata, that´s not quite true. Gravity exists, but the absolute truth is, that the particles, that are responsible for gravity are doing this. Therefore, if you can stop the particles from reaching you, the pull of the large mass (Earth) will stop. There have been experiments, which blocked gravity. (under extreme conditions and only very brief periods of time).
It is very dangerous to assert, that the bible is the absolute truth. It leads ultimately to the convert or else mindset.
 
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but from what I've seen from some Wiccans (not all, but some), is that they seem to seek victimization status as a form of validation. Of course, some Christians do this as well.

And, I won't deny that there are Christians that are vehemently opposed to Wiccan beliefs, but as I think it was already stated in this thread, these types of Christians are usually opposed to everything non-Christian, not just Wiccans.
 
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3rd March 2003 at 06:26 PM Rae said this in Post #31

You sounded pretty militant to me, actually. I couldn't see any other reason for you answering like that if it wasn't to try to convert someone.

I couldn't be less interested in believing in Christianity, myself, and I don't think it's a more valid religious choice than Buddhism, Hinduism, Wicca, or atheism, so no, I'm not interested in another thread, either.


ad hominem
 
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I partially agree.

I think that some of it is seeking victimization as a way to validate their choice (and its sadly easy to find). However, I do think that there is a reason they are common victims.
Wicca is one of the fastest growing religions around. Its also a new religions. So I think it has sometimes become a target by christians who dont like any religion, as its easier than attacking the more well established religions, and those fights have been done to death.
Also since its a fast growing religion, we start seeing Wicca poping up in what used to be almost complete christian groups/areas, So there is some sort of backlash happening from the tarnishing of the group/area.

Also, Wicca being rather young, many memebers are much more outspoken, displaying their religion more like general christians would (open wearing of pentacles, just like the christian open wearing of the cross) and so there is a more vocal group against Wicca as its not as hidden as some other religions.

Today at 08:41 AM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #44 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=694656#post694656)

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, but from what I've seen from some Wiccans (not all, but some), is that they seem to seek victimization status as a form of validation. Of course, some Christians do this as well.

And, I won't deny that there are Christians that are vehemently opposed to Wiccan beliefs, but as I think it was already stated in this thread, these types of Christians are usually opposed to everything non-Christian, not just Wiccans.
 
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Actually, many non-Christians believe in absolute truth, and that they have it. Just ask an Islamic fundamentalist sometime. :) I prefer the less arrogant and less cocksure "I think that what I believe is true, because it makes sense to me and in light of my experiences."
 
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I made no ad hominems. Sorry. I stated what I believed and why. I did not gratuitously attack Jenna but stated why I came to the conclusions I did, nor did I state anything like "Jenna's stupid, therefore Christianity's stupid," a true ad hominem argument.

Simply saying "I don't find Christianity a more valid response to life than Hinduism or Buddhism" isn't ad hominem, either. It's true. I don't find it to be more valid than any other religion or lack thereof, which is why I don't mind if you're a Christian or a Hindu or a Muslim or a Jew as long as you're happy with your choice. Just don't expect me to make the same one as yours and I'll be happy.
 
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bluesonata, that ´s not quite true. Gravity exists, but the absolute truth is, that the particles, that are responsible for gravity are doing this. Therefore, if you can stop the particles from reaching you, the pull of the large mass (Earth) will stop. There have been experiments, which blocked gravity. (under extreme conditions and only very brief periods of time).


Everything is composed of something.... You say that the particles "are responsible for gravity are doing this". Whatever is responsible, the law of gravity DOES exist, IS absolute, and nothing will prevent the "particles from reaching you", thereby overcoming the law of gravity, without God’s Will. After all, the particles had to come from somewhere; nothing can just "happen" on its own. I noticed that you said that the experiments (to overcome gravity, no doubt) are under "extreme conditions and only for very brief periods of time". There’s nothing in man’s power that will ever prevent the law of gravity, outside of God’s will, and outside the confines of a very limited space, such as a laboratory. If something as inanimate and intangible as gravity has such a hold over us, how much more so does our Creator God?? Praise His Precious and Holy Name!!

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things; and by him all things consist." Col. 1:15-17

 :bow:   AMEN!!  :bow:
 
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bluesonata, that ´s not quite true. Gravity exists, but the absolute truth is, that the particles, that are responsible for gravity are doing this. Therefore, if you can stop the particles from reaching you, the pull of the large mass (Earth) will stop. There have been experiments, which blocked gravity. (under extreme conditions and only very brief periods of time).
That doesn't disprove the law of gravity.
 
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I have two questions, then I will reply.


1. For Blondie: What exactly does Wicca believe in?
I would not like to respond out of igorance. Please enlighten us.

2. This question is for Annabel- she stated something that was quite intersting for a Christian to say. How does one become a Christian and what mindset are we to have as Christians.

Barachah! (Blessings)
 
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It's hard to explain what Wiccans beleive, becuase different Wiccans have different beliefs. However, I'll give you the basics:
The Principles of Witchcraft as Defined by the Council of American Witches

1.We practice rites to attune ourselves with the natural rhythm
of life forces marked by the phases of the moon and the seasonal
quarters and cross-quarters(Sabbats).

2.We seek to live in harmony with nature,
in ecological balance offering fulfillment to life and consciousness
within an evolutionary concept.

3.We acknowledge a depth of power far greater than is apparent to the
average person. Because it is far greater than ordinary, it is
sometimes called "supernatural", but we see it as lying within that
which is naturally potential to all.

4.We conceive of the creative power in the universe as manifesting
through polarity -- as masculine and feminine -- and that this same
creative power lives in all people and functions through the
interaction of the masculine and feminine. We value niether above
the other knowing each to be supportive of the other.

5.We recognize both outer worlds and inner, or psychological worlds --
sometimes known as the spiritual world, the collective unconscious,
the inner planes, etc.-- And we see in the interaction of these two
dimensions the basis for paranormal phenomena and magickal exercises.
We neglect niether dimension for the other, seeing both as necessary
for our fullfillment.

6.We do not recognize any authoritarian hierarchy, but do honor those
who teach, respect those who share their greater knowledge and wisdom,
and acknowledge those who have courageously given of themselves in
leadership.

7.We see religion, magick, and wisdom-in-living as being united in the
way one views the world and lives within it -- a world view and
philosophy of life, which we identify as witchcraft or the wiccan way.

8.Calling oneself "witch" does not make a witch -- but neither does
heredity itself, or the collecting of titles, degrees, and initiations.
A witch seeks to control the forces within him/herself that makes life
possible in order to live wisely and well, without harm to others,
and in harmony with nature.

9.We acknowledge that it is the affirmation and fulfillment of life, in a
continuation of evolution and development of conciousness, that gives
meaning to the universe we know, and to our personal role in it.

10.Our only animosity toward an other religion or philosophy-of-life, is to the extent that its institutions have claimed to be "the one true right and only way" and have sought to deny freedom to others and to suppress other ways of religious practices and beliefs.

11.As American witches, we are not threatened by debates on the history of the craft, the origins of the various terms, the legitamacy of various
aspects of different traditions. We are concerned with our present,
and our future.

12.We do not accept the concept of "absolute evil", nor do we worship any
entity known as "Satan" or the "Devil" as defined by christian
traditions. We do not seek power through suffering of others, nor do we
accept the concept that personal benefits can only be derived by denial
to another.

13.We work within nature for that which is contributory to our health and
well-being.

Thirteen Goals of the Witch

I. Know Yourself
II. Know your Craft (Wicca)
III. Learn
IV. Apply knowledge with wisdom
V. Acheive balance
VI. Keep your words in good order
VII. Keep your thoughts in good order
VIII. Celebrate life
IX. Attune with the cycles of the Earth
X. Breath and eat correctly
XI. Excercise the body
XII. Meditate
XIII. Honor the God and Goddess

The Threefold Law

"Mind the Threefold Law ye should,
Three times bad and three times good.
This lesson well, thou must learn,
thou only gets what thou doest ear,"
(What goes around comes back three times, good or bad)

We aren't bad, we're just different
 
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I'm aganostic but I know a bit about Wicca..

The #1 rule, is

An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will

To be a witch you do not need to be Wiccan, nor being a Wiccan makes you a witch.

Wicca is a neo-pagan religion, which should be as respected as much other religions are.
 
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Non christians may "totally disagree with christians views" but that doesnt mean they cant come here, and debate and learn. I can disagree with something and still learn about it. Matter of fact, I could probably argue on the christian side of things

Apparently my aganostic views are not welcome on the debate forums.
 
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I agree totally that wiccans try to be good, moral people like everyone else, but trying doesn't make it true. There is nothing more evil about wicca than any other religion or lack of. What is evil is that you, like pretty much everyone else, are creating your own god. Wicca is different though because they have both the god and goddess, but there is only one Lord.
Also...
"Love the sinner, hate the sin." I'm really tired of the saying, and as far as I know it's not biblical.
 
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So I assume you have evidence that says you arent making up your god just like everyone else, right?

:) :)

"Love the sinner, Hate the sin" still translates to hate. So i dont see how its too great. :)

Today at 12:29 AM Ratioann said this in Post #56 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=700649#post700649)

I agree totally that wiccans try to be good, moral people like everyone else, but trying doesn't make it true. There is nothing more evil about wicca than any other religion or lack of. What is evil is that you, like pretty much everyone else, are creating your own god. Wicca is different though because they have both the god and goddess, but there is only one Lord.
Also...
"Love the sinner, hate the sin." I'm really tired of the saying, and as far as I know it's not biblical.
 
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Today at 12:34 AM Just said this in Post #57

A&nbsp;Wiccan wouldn't say this about you. Why say it about them?

From an aganostic POV, you, like pretty much everyone else, are creating your own god. :eek:


Well, thats the thing...Its your point of view. I gave my point of view. If a wiccan said something similar to my statement back to me, it would be their point of view. I don't see&nbsp;a problem here, I am not angry at blondie for her beliefs, nor am I at you for yours. Perhaps I should use more smileys...

So I assume you have evidence that says you arent making up your god just like everyone else, right?

Well, I have no hard cold facts. If I did, they would already be up in a thread here(under intense scrutiny). I would say that my proof is in my faith, but anyone can make that claim. I stand by my original post and that will have to be enough. :)
 
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That's okay. I doubt any Pagan will be swayed by one Christian, or a thousand, saying that our Gods aren't real. We know better. We experience them and we have faith in them. We see them everywhere that Christians see their God. We know Christians have no more proof than we do.

Our Gods are real, whether you believe in them or not. :)
 
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