Does the Bible 'truly' teach us 'not to judge'?

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Not just the dark ages and I don't believe that pointing out certain 'churches' that don't actually 'follow' what they teach is going to derail the conversation. It may well enhance it.
It won't. It is already derailing this thread. You're determined to discuss this subject. Well and good. Start a new thread then.

Our Lord's words are pretty cut and dried. We should be careful of judging the behaviors of others. There is no proscription against doing it; we should simply be sure we're not being hypocrites in the process.

Judging the souls of others is flat out not our job. God will judge souls and we should let Him do it.

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It seems that every time someone tries to point out the 'truth', inevitably someone else comes along and accuses them of 'false judgment'.

The Bible does NOT teach us 'not to judge'. It teaches us not to 'falsely judge'. In fact, the Bible teaches us to 'judge all things' according to 'righteousness' or 'truth'.

So where does this insistence come from when some insist that we are 'not to judge'?

It originated with the 'churches' that were not teaching the 'truth'. They didn't want the congregation to 'judge them' according to 'righteousness, (the truth), so they taught their followers 'not to judge PERIOD'.

And that is 'the' reason that so many today insist that we 'not judge'. Because that way they can interject any sort of 'nonsense' and insist that it's the 'truth'. So long as no one 'judges' what they 'say', they can convince themselves that whatever nonsense they 'make up' is as valid as anything else people 'believe'.

I encourage any and EVERYONE that reads anything I offer to 'judge it' according to the Bible. Not what 'your church' teaches you, but what we are offered in the Bible. Don't take 'my word' for 'anything'. Judge each and everything I offer according to 'scripture'.

Yet some continually insist that they should be able to speak with impunity so far as 'judgement' is concerned. That in order to determine the 'truth' of what they 'say' no one should 'judge' their words. That's ridiculous. We are to 'judge ALL things according to righteousness', (The Truth).

Blessings,

MEC

"dont't judge"(Matthew 7:1) means don't cause harm/suffering to your brother/neighbor/townsman/cohabitant, neither spiritually, nor physically, nor in any way, that is why there are commandments such as don't kill, keep the "sabbath" holy, etc.

Romans 13:8-10 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

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"dont't judge"(Matthew 7:1) means don't cause harm/suffering to your brother/neighbor/townsman/cohabitant, neither spiritually, nor physically, nor in any way, that is why there are commandments such as don't kill, keep the "sabbath" holy, etc.

Romans 13:8-10 "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

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"Be careful in that way in which you are judging, for in whatever way in which you judge, you shall be judged" It tells a wisdom and a warning, that is "be careful" if you are going to judge, because it is a very risky, treacherous, and dangerous road if you judge, the judgement you render to another shall be rendered back to you...

For example, if you rebuke someone for say being hateful and not loving, for example, but, say, you do it, not with hate, or the feeling of hate for them, but, out of love, with the intention and purpose of first, making them aware of it, second, by making them aware of it, with the hopes of creating a possibility for them to be able to change it, thirdly, with the hopes that they will change it... If you judge some one for being hateful and not loving, you must make sure you are not being hypocritical, and are not hating in doing it, but loving, or you should expect that any time your not living up to this, and you do something out of hatred, and not love, that you will be rebuked for it...
 
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"Be careful in that way in which you are judging, for in whatever way in which you judge, you shall be judged" It tells a wisdom and a warning, that is "be careful" if you are going to judge, because it is a very risky, treacherous, and dangerous road if you judge, the judgement you render to another shall be rendered back to you...

For example, if you rebuke someone for say being hateful and not loving, for example, but, say, you do it, not with hate, or the feeling of hate for them, but, out of love, with the intention and purpose of first, making them aware of it, second, by making them aware of it, with the hopes of creating a possibility for them to be able to change it, thirdly, with the hopes that they will change it... If you judge some one for being hateful and not loving, you must make sure you are not being hypocritical, and are not hating in doing it, but loving, or you should expect that any time your not living up to this, and you do something out of hatred, and not love, that you will be rebuked for it...

what if someone says something to another without causing them harm/suffering?!, or will it be better if someone causes harm/suffering to another though without telling them anything?! - i.e. there may be an infliction of harm/suffering on the neighbor in both cases i.e. regardless of whether or not someone talks to another, therefore the very causation/infliction of harm/suffering is critical

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It seems that every time someone tries to point out the 'truth', inevitably someone else comes along and accuses them of 'false judgment'.

The Bible does NOT teach us 'not to judge'. It teaches us not to 'falsely judge'. In fact, the Bible teaches us to 'judge all things' according to 'righteousness' or 'truth'.

So where does this insistence come from when some insist that we are 'not to judge'?

It originated with the 'churches' that were not teaching the 'truth'. They didn't want the congregation to 'judge them' according to 'righteousness, (the truth), so they taught their followers 'not to judge PERIOD'.

And that is 'the' reason that so many today insist that we 'not judge'. Because that way they can interject any sort of 'nonsense' and insist that it's the 'truth'. So long as no one 'judges' what they 'say', they can convince themselves that whatever nonsense they 'make up' is as valid as anything else people 'believe'.

I encourage any and EVERYONE that reads anything I offer to 'judge it' according to the Bible. Not what 'your church' teaches you, but what we are offered in the Bible. Don't take 'my word' for 'anything'. Judge each and everything I offer according to 'scripture'.

Yet some continually insist that they should be able to speak with impunity so far as 'judgement' is concerned. That in order to determine the 'truth' of what they 'say' no one should 'judge' their words. That's ridiculous. We are to 'judge ALL things according to righteousness', (The Truth).

Blessings,

MEC

There is a difference between judging people and making a correct judgment/discernment regarding doctrines and behaviors. There is nothing wrong with judging behavior (like adultery, sodomy, theft, etc.) but judging people is more complicated because you don't know their situation or their culpability.

For example, I can say that gluttony is a sin but I can't say whether my neighbor is overweight due to gluttony or a medical condition.

If I see my neighbor shouting obscenities and destroying property, I can say that behavior is wrong but I can't judge whether he's guilty of sin because I don't know why he behaved that way.
 
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Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not ...
... "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not
be condemned. ... "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged.

You left off part of the scriptures, go further and Jesus says: "For with what judgment ye judge it will be measured unto you in like manner" Jesus also says later to take the board out of your own eyes so you can then see to take the plank out of your brothers eye, well isn't that what we do when we receive Jesus and the Holy Spirit ? Of course it is. Here is a fact, not only does God not tell us not to Judge, He commands that we JUDGE, I will prove this in another post. Taking scriptures of of context is of the world, thou shalt not judge is of Satan.

But as to judging the agenda and motives of the inner heart and mind of men that we are not to judge because HE alone is the final judge and HE alone is the One who will lay bare what is hidden from our eyes but not hidden from HIS

He alone is the only one that can Condemn, we can not and should never say someone is going to hell or heaven, for we can't know this because anyone can change. But we can judge and are commanded to judge. This whole not judging thing is bunk, and of Satan, who of course loves putting Christians on the defensive, of course, how can Christians condemn sin if they can't judge.
 
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It seems that every time someone tries to point out the 'truth', inevitably someone else comes along and accuses them of 'false judgment'.

The Bible does NOT teach us 'not to judge'. It teaches us not to 'falsely judge'. In fact, the Bible teaches us to 'judge all things' according to 'righteousness' or 'truth'.

So where does this insistence come from when some insist that we are 'not to judge'?

It originated with the 'churches' that were not teaching the 'truth'. They didn't want the congregation to 'judge them' according to 'righteousness, (the truth), so they taught their followers 'not to judge PERIOD'.

And that is 'the' reason that so many today insist that we 'not judge'. Because that way they can interject any sort of 'nonsense' and insist that it's the 'truth'. So long as no one 'judges' what they 'say', they can convince themselves that whatever nonsense they 'make up' is as valid as anything else people 'believe'.

I encourage any and EVERYONE that reads anything I offer to 'judge it' according to the Bible. Not what 'your church' teaches you, but what we are offered in the Bible. Don't take 'my word' for 'anything'. Judge each and everything I offer according to 'scripture'.

Yet some continually insist that they should be able to speak with impunity so far as 'judgement' is concerned. That in order to determine the 'truth' of what they 'say' no one should 'judge' their words. That's ridiculous. We are to 'judge ALL things according to righteousness', (The Truth).

Blessings,

MEC

Is It Right to Judge?

How many times have you heard someone whine, "Judge not, that ye be not judged?" This verse of Scripture from Matthew 7:1 is often quoted out of context by people who are terrified at the idea of someone preaching against sin or pointing out any form of error in anyone, especially in themselves.

As I stood in a voting line one day I overheard a woman justifying her foolish choice for president by saying, "Well, we aren't supposed to judge." Imagine that! Choosing NOT to judge a political candidate on election day! No wonder our nation is in such a mess!

As for Matthew 7:1, the context (verses 1-5) allows judging after you have first judged YOURSELF. Jesus did not make a blanket statement against judgment. He simply pointed out a RULE for judging.

Now, the word "judge" in its various forms (judgeth, judging, judgment, judges, etc) is found over 700 times in God's word. One whole book of the Bible is titled "Judges" for it was written at a time when God raised up judges to lead His people.

As we are about to see, God EXPECTS His people to judge. In fact, you are sinning against God if you refuse to judge! (Read that again, please)

God Expects Us to Judge

"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.

"Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge.

Our generation is well described in Isaiah 59:8: "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace." People have refused to judge, so there is no peace.

Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10 to ". . . be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Why would Paul make such a statement if judging is wrong? In I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says, "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." Judging is not a sin; judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service.

Someone says, "But should we judge PEOPLE?" Yes, we certainly should. Paul actually REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5) If judging is wrong, then Paul needs to confess and repent for misleading these Christians! He clearly told them to JUDGE PEOPLE.

If judging people is wrong, how can we obey Romans 16:17-18? II Corinthians 6:17? II Timothy 3:5-6? I John 4:1? Friend, if judging is wrong, then God has contradicted Himself and His words cannot be trusted!

Notice Malachi 3:18: "Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." WOW! Does that sound like it is wrong to judge?

What about Revelation 2:2? " I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:" Why would the Lord be pleased with these Christians if judging was wrong? Is it not impossible to find someone a "liar" without judging them?

If the Bible is clear about anything, it is clear about the importance of judging on a regular basis in order to properly serve and honor God. To ignore this fact is to ignore all of the Scripture just presented and also the rest of the Bible. God expects us to judge.

God's Rules for Judging

Now I do not wish to imply that we should spend all of our time judging. Sometimes people judge when they have no business doing so. In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment. This can only be done by following the rules that God has established in His word. Here follow seven good rules from Scripture:

Judge Scripturally

Isaiah 8:20 says, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Our standard is God's word, not our feelings, our traditions, or our opinions. Right and wrong should always be determined by God's word.

Don't Judge When God's Word Is Silent

If God's word is silent about a subject, then you may not have to judge at all. Don't rush to judgment on an issue when the Bible says very little or is silent about it. Don't make more of a matter than God makes of it. A good example of this is found in Colossians 2:16: "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" That is, these are not subjects of great importance today, so let's not make these great issues of judgment.

Pray for Good Judgement Ability

When Solomon received his kingdom he asked God to "Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people?" (I Kings 3:9) James 1:5 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." We should pray for good judgment ability.

Don't Respect Persons

Proverbs 24:23 says, "These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Treat all parties fairly without favoring anyone, such as family members or friends. A truly fair judge is blind and deaf to any outer influence. (Isa. 42:1, 19-21)

Judge in Truth

Do not judge another when you do not have all the relevant facts. Jeremiah 5:1 says, "Run ye to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it." A true judge is one who seeks the truth. If you must judge, be sure and get all the facts. A Japanese proverb says to "search seven times before you judge."

Judge Mercifully

Remember the words of Jesus in Matthew 7:2: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." You'll reap what you sow (Gal. 6:7-8). If you are swift and harsh in judging others, then God will see to it that you receive the same from others. Has God not been very merciful to you, even though you deserved it not? Likewise, you should exercise mercy toward others.

Don't Forget to Judge Yourself

I Corinthians 11:30-31: "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged." If you are a true Christian, then you belong to God. You are God's child. If you refuse to judge and improve yourself as a child of God, then God will take it upon Himself to judge you. Many of the troubles that we face in life are nothing more than God's way of judging us since we often neglect to judge ourselves.

Wouldn't it be amazing if every Christian actually took time to judge themselves before judging anyone else? In Matthew 7:4-5, Jesus says, " Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." A good judge will not fail to judge himself.

James L. Melton 1999.
 
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It seems that every time someone tries to point out the 'truth', inevitably someone else comes along and accuses them of 'false judgment'.

The Bible does NOT teach us 'not to judge'. It teaches us not to 'falsely judge'. In fact, the Bible teaches us to 'judge all things' according to 'righteousness' or 'truth'.

So where does this insistence come from when some insist that we are 'not to judge'?

It originated with the 'churches' that were not teaching the 'truth'. They didn't want the congregation to 'judge them' according to 'righteousness, (the truth), so they taught their followers 'not to judge PERIOD'.

And that is 'the' reason that so many today insist that we 'not judge'. Because that way they can interject any sort of 'nonsense' and insist that it's the 'truth'. So long as no one 'judges' what they 'say', they can convince themselves that whatever nonsense they 'make up' is as valid as anything else people 'believe'.

I encourage any and EVERYONE that reads anything I offer to 'judge it' according to the Bible. Not what 'your church' teaches you, but what we are offered in the Bible. Don't take 'my word' for 'anything'. Judge each and everything I offer according to 'scripture'.

Yet some continually insist that they should be able to speak with impunity so far as 'judgement' is concerned. That in order to determine the 'truth' of what they 'say' no one should 'judge' their words. That's ridiculous. We are to 'judge ALL things according to righteousness', (The Truth).

Blessings,

MEC

Judgment is intrinsic to thinking and experiencing; to judge is to evaluate something as good or bad. It's condemnation -- pushing someone "beyond the pale", kicking them away from the group -- that's meant in passages like Matthew 1.

The real problem in any society, secular or religious, is when it conflates judgment with condemnation. You know, pointing out something as being bad is taken as a sign of condemnation.
 
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If someone sues someone else, one is judging the other. The plaintiff is seeking a monetary reward in the form of a judgement against the defendant in a court of law. Some of the judgements do not seem fair. BP was sued over an oil spill by people who were not directly affected by it. A lawsuit to make someone whole is less damaging than one seeking huge punitive damages in excess of compensatory damages.

In the Hebrew law, someone could be stoned for working on the Sabbath or for committing adultery. Stoning a person is judging a person as guilty and applying the full force of the law. In this case the judgement is worse than the crime as stoning often resulted in death.

In Matthew 18 (World English Bible) one should trie to talk an offender into repentance:
15 "If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother. 16 But if he doesn't listen, take one or two more with you, that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the assembly. If he refuses to hear the assembly also, let him be to you as a Gentile or a tax collector. 18 Most certainly I tell you, whatever things you bind on earth will have been bound in heaven, and whatever things you release on earth will have been released in heaven.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:
5 I say this to move you to shame. Isn’t there even one wise man among you who would be able to decide between his brothers? 6 But brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers! 7 Therefore it is already altogether a defect in you, that you have lawsuits one with another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 No, but you yourselves do wrong, and defraud, and that against your brothers. 9 Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortionists, will inherit God’s Kingdom.

In this case Paul advises believers to settle out of court and avoid risking unjust decisions by the local court of law.

I was stopped at a traffic light. The light turned green. I started to move forward and was hit from behind. The other driver exchanged insurance information and gave me his business card. He told me he was in such a hurry as soon as he saw the green light he hit the accelerator. When I got home I carefully inspected the bumper and frame. I saw there was only a small scratch on the bumper after I buffed out the other scratches. I called him and told him I would not file a claim as a new bumper might cost $1000 and the damage was very minor. I advised him to be cautious in the future. He was a general contractor building houses in the area.
 
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It seems that every time someone tries to point out the 'truth', inevitably someone else comes along and accuses them of 'false judgment'.

The Bible does NOT teach us 'not to judge'. It teaches us not to 'falsely judge'. In fact, the Bible teaches us to 'judge all things' according to 'righteousness' or 'truth'.

So where does this insistence come from when some insist that we are 'not to judge'?

It originated with the 'churches' that were not teaching the 'truth'. They didn't want the congregation to 'judge them' according to 'righteousness, (the truth), so they taught their followers 'not to judge PERIOD'.

And that is 'the' reason that so many today insist that we 'not judge'. Because that way they can interject any sort of 'nonsense' and insist that it's the 'truth'. So long as no one 'judges' what they 'say', they can convince themselves that whatever nonsense they 'make up' is as valid as anything else people 'believe'.

I encourage any and EVERYONE that reads anything I offer to 'judge it' according to the Bible. Not what 'your church' teaches you, but what we are offered in the Bible. Don't take 'my word' for 'anything'. Judge each and everything I offer according to 'scripture'.

Yet some continually insist that they should be able to speak with impunity so far as 'judgement' is concerned. That in order to determine the 'truth' of what they 'say' no one should 'judge' their words. That's ridiculous. We are to 'judge ALL things according to righteousness', (The Truth).

Blessings,

MEC
You can judge if you want to, but just be prepared to be measured by the same stick.

To forgive really means to un-judge.
 
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For those that mentioned "judging behavior" I commend you
for having GOOD SENSE!:oldthumbsup:
I'm in recovery from alcohol addiction and have been for a number
of years.
I attend A.A. meetings and have bonded with others who seek
an addiction free life.
Some were in prison for various offenses.
Some are gay. ( very few )
I don't judge them. Judging is not in my job description.
However I have sense enough NOT to bond with those that I
feel are behaving in ways unacceptable to me and my moral
standards.
I don't steal, never killed anyone in a drunken episode, never
"borrowed" money from another , never lost a job or committed a crime.
Even in addiction I had moral standards.
 
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Golly, that sounds rather serious. Maybe you should start a separate thread for that instead of trying to derail this one.

To go back to the actual point of this thread, behaviors can be judged by people; souls cannot. That's the point.

I was staying on topic of this tread. Based on History I provide an example of the things that we can judge, ACTIONS (Bible calls them works). The Catholic church has set itself up as the determinant of who is righteous and who is not (they claim to be in place of GOD)
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".

Heretic
A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Roman Catholic Church.

Example
John Huss
John Huss (1369 Southern Bohemia – July 6, 1415 Constance) was a religious thinker and reformer. He initiated a religious movement based on the ideas of John Wycliffe. His followers became known as Hussites. The Catholic Church did not condone such uprisings, and Hus was excommunicated in 1411, condemned by the Council of Constance, and burned at the stake.

HUSS The fate or a Heritic

The last period is known as the Roman Inquisition, and it was established in 1542 when Pope Paul III established the Holy Office as the final court of appeals in all trials of heresy. This group was made up of cardinals and other officials whose task was to maintain and defend the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. This group played an important role in the Counter-Reformation, and it was also this body that condemned Galileo for “grave suspicion of heresy” and banned all of his works in 1633 for teaching that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth revolved around it. In 1965, Pope Paul VI reorganized the Holy Office and renamed it as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and it remains in effect today.
 
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You left off part of the scriptures, go further and Jesus says: "For with what judgment ye judge it will be measured unto you in like manner" Jesus also says later to take the board out of your own eyes so you can then see to take the plank out of your brothers eye, well isn't that what we do when we receive Jesus and the Holy Spirit ? Of course it is. Here is a fact, not only does God not tell us not to Judge, He commands that we JUDGE, I will prove this in another post. Taking scriptures of of context is of the world, thou shalt not judge is of Satan.

I include links to the original, in context.
So your accusations are without merit.
And you are mistaken.

37 And do not judge that you should not be judged; and do not condemn that you should not be condemned; forgive and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure pressed down, shaken together, running over will they put into your lap. For with that measure you measure, it will be measured again to you.”

The "measure" refers to giving and forgiveness.


Plus you missed the point of the post. To bury your
idea under the load of Truth. The Spirit will make it's
own point and impressions about judging:
27 Bible verses about Judging Others
 
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You can judge if you want to, but just be prepared to be measured by the same stick.

To forgive really means to un-judge.

And shouldn't we be "prepared" at all time for the judgment throne of Christ ? I know I am, so the Holy Spirit in me can Judge righteously, because it is not I that judge, but the Holy Spirit in me/you that judges. The Holy Spirits job is to convict men and call them to repentance, the Holy Spirit works through men. If you can't tell a homosexual that he is living in sin, then Satan has you right where he wants you. LETS NOT JUDGE.....No we are not to condemn, we are commanded to judge. What man would tell his own kids, don't look to see if cars are coming when the ball goes across the road, or don't judge the character of the people you hang out with in high school, I mean it doesn't really matter if they are drug dealers or gang bangers.

OF COURSE no parent would say these things, and likewise, we are to judge the actions of others. We have to know who they are and what they stand for and we are ORDERED BY GOD to tell sinners about their sins or He will place their blood on our hands.

Ezekiel 3:18 If I say to the wicked person, 'You will surely die,' but you do not warn him--you don't speak out to warn him about his wicked way in order to save his life--that wicked person will die for his iniquity. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.
 
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And shouldn't we be "prepared" at all time for the judgment throne of Christ ? I know I am, so the Holy Spirit in me can Judge righteously, because it is not I that judge, but the Holy Spirit in me/you that judges. The Holy Spirits job is to convict men and call them to repentance, the Holy Spirit works through men. If you can't tell a homosexual that he is living in sin, then Satan has you right where he wants you. LETS NOT JUDGE.....No we are not to condemn, we are commanded to judge. What man would tell his own kids, don't look to see if cars are coming when the ball goes across the road, or don't judge the character of the people you hang out with in high school, I mean it doesn't really matter if they are drug dealers or gang bangers.

OF COURSE no parent would say these things, and likewise, we are to judge the actions of others. We have to know who they are and what they stand for and we are ORDERED BY GOD to tell sinners about their sins or He will place their blood on our hands.

Ezekiel 3:18 If I say to the wicked person, 'You will surely die,' but you do not warn him--you don't speak out to warn him about his wicked way in order to save his life--that wicked person will die for his iniquity. Yet I will hold you responsible for his blood.

I think you are confusing discernment and prudence for judgment and ostracizing; holding a grudge. Jesus taught us to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. We aren't to judge a persons soul.
 
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No, not really. Forgiveness can only be offered to someone that has 'personally wronged' that one is 'aware of'.

I can't forgiven someone for their 'sins'. I can only forgive them for trespassing against ME or someone I have witnessed.

So forgiveness has nothing to do with 'unjudging'. For in order to 'forgive' someone, judgement is crucial in even recognizing the NEED for forgiveness.

Your views and what you offer certainly are 'different'.

Blessings,

MEC
I disagree, if you haven't judged them then there is no need to forgive. To forgive is a change of heart held previously.
 
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I include links to the original, in context.
So your accusations are without merit.
And you are mistaken.

37 And do not judge that you should not be judged; and do not condemn that you should not be condemned; forgive and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure pressed down, shaken together, running over will they put into your lap. For with that measure you measure, it will be measured again to you.”

The "measure" refers to giving and forgiveness.


Plus you missed the point of the post. To bury your
idea under the load of Truth. The Spirit will make it's
own point and impressions about judging:
27 Bible verses about Judging Others
... "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not
be condemned. ... "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. ...

The above was your post, my point was you left out a viral part of the passage, I see above you have added verse 38. For with what measure means if you JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY you will be JUDGED RIGHTEOUSLY. Forgiveness has tp be asked for, else everyone would be in Heaven right ?

The Measure means if you judge righteously the you will be judged in like manner.

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

How do we cast the beam out of our eyes ? By giving our life to Jesus, THEN we can help our brother with his problems.

Verse two tells us the truth.....FOR WITH WHAT JUDGMENT YE JUDGE.....Meaning we are going to Judge, but it has to be Righteous Judgment.
 
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I think you are confusing discernment and prudence for judgment and ostracizing; holding a grudge. Jesus taught us to be wise as serpents but harmless as doves. We aren't to judge a persons soul.
No, the word commands us to judge, it is throughout the bible. The Bible also says only God can condemn, so say not who will go to heaven or hell that is not our calling. Calling out ones sins is not judging them, but is only us speaking truth. That is why much sin abounds in these last days, Christians are going along to get along.
 
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... "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not
be condemned. ... "Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. ...

The above was your post, my point was you left out a viral part of the passage, I see above you have added verse 38. For with what measure means if you JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY you will be JUDGED RIGHTEOUSLY. Forgiveness has tp be asked for, else everyone would be in Heaven right ?

The Measure means if you judge righteously the you will be judged in like manner.

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

How do we cast the beam out of our eyes ? By giving our life to Jesus, THEN we can help our brother with his problems.

Verse two tells us the truth.....FOR WITH WHAT JUDGMENT YE JUDGE.....Meaning we are going to Judge, but it has to be Righteous Judgment.

I posted all relevant verses. They speak to the heart without ALLCAPS needed.

37 Bible Verses About Judging Others

What Does the Bible Say About Judging Others?

Bible Verses About Judging Others

 
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No, the word commands us to judge, it is throughout the bible. The Bible also says only God can condemn, so say not who will go to heaven or hell that is not our calling. Calling it ones sins is not judging them, but is only us speaking truth. That is why much sin abounds in these last days, Christians are going along to get along.
You are making excuses for being Judgmental of your fellows. If you put that effort into working on yourself instead of confessing the sins of others, you might find the humility to abstain from judging others and instead love them and lead them into the better paths by the fruits of a kind heart.
 
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