Would God destroy the earth for animal-human chimera or hybrid experiments?

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Gen 1 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them

Gen 6:11 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

"But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere". …. {1SP 69.1}

Ezek 3 17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me: 18 When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. (Ezekiel 3)

QUOTE == from http://www.geneticsandsociety.org/article.php?id=9611

NIH Plans To Lift Ban On Research Funds For Part-Human, Part-Animal Embryo

by Rob Stein, NPR
August 4th, 2016

The federal government announced plans Thursday to lift a moratorium on funding of certain controversial experiments that use human stem cells to create animal embryos that are partly human.

The National Institutes of Health is proposing a new policy to permit scientists to get federal money to make embryos, known as chimeras, under certain carefully monitored conditions.

The NIH imposed a moratorium on funding these experiments in September because they could raise ethical concerns.

One issue is that scientists might inadvertently create animals that have partly human brains, endowing them with some semblance of human consciousness or human thinking abilities. Another is that they could develop into animals with human sperm and eggs and breed, producing human embryos or fetuses inside animals or hybrid creatures.

But scientists have argued that they could take steps to prevent those outcomes and that the embryos provide invaluable tools for medical research.

For example, scientists hope to use the embryos to create animal models of human diseases, which could lead to new ways to prevent and treat illnesses. Researchers also hope to produce sheep, pigs and cows with human hearts, kidneys, livers, pancreases and possibly other organs that could be used for transplants.

To address the ethical concerns, the NIH's new policy imposes several restrictions.

But the policy would lift the moratorium on funding experiments involving other species. Because of the ethical concerns, though, at least some of the experiments would go through an extra layer of review by a new, special committee of government officials.

That committee would, for example, consider experiments designed to create animals with human brain cells or human brain tissue. Scientists might want to create them to study neurological conditions such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's diseases. But the experiments would undergo intensive scrutiny if there's any chance there might be a "substantial contribution" or "substantial functional modification" to an animal's brain.

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In addition, the NIH would even consider experiments that could create animals with human sperm and human eggs since they may be useful for studying human development and infertility. But in that case steps would have to be taken to prevent the animals from breeding.

"I am confident that these proposed changes will enable the NIH research community to move this promising area of science forward in a responsible manner," Carrie Wolinetz, the NIH's associate director for science policy, wrote in a blog post.

"At the end of the day, we want to make sure this research progresses because its very important to our understanding of disease. It's important to our mission to improve human health," she said in an interview with NPR. "But we also want to make sure there's an extra set of eyes on these projects because they do have this ethical set of concerns associated with them."

Several scientists said they are thrilled by the new policy. "It's very, very welcome news that NIH will consider funding this type of research," says Pablo Ross, a developmental biologist at the University of California, Davis, trying to grow human organs in farm animals. "We need funding to be able to answer some very important questions."

But critics denounced the decision. "Science fiction writers might have imagined worlds like this — like The Island of Dr. Moreau, Brave New World, Frankenstein," says Stuart Newman, a biologist at New York Medical College. "There have been speculations. But now they're becoming more real. And I think that we just can't say that since it's possible then let's do it."

The public has 30 days to comment on the proposed new policy. NIH could start funding projects as early as the start of 2017.

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So then the fact that they have created rats/mice with human brain structures is a problem?

The NIH has opened a window for public comment on this proposal to federally fund such experiments - that window closes the first week of September.
 
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Would God destroy the earth for animal-human chimera or hybrid experiments?

Gen 1 26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Gen 6:11 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

"But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere". …. {1SP 69.1}
Right idea that God will destroy this earth before we go too far.
Wrong explanation.

Starting at the beginning, man is unique in creation in that we have souls that can contain God's spirit or Satan's. This only happens at the joining of man and women, proof being Jesus was not a new soul at his conception. The sin of union between angels/beasts and women is not the greatest sin man commits.

Look to the first commandment for the greatest sin. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. The greatest sin of mankind is the reaching for godlike status. This was the enticement of the first sin, to know what God knows. This is the sin of science today, a desire to know everything and the claim to know it, ie claiming to know how and when the world began.

The flood was the cleansing of all the wickedness in the hearts of man. While there may have been some half-breeds wiped out, they were still present post flood. What the flood did was to change the order of nature, allow us to eat meat, the end result being man lived shorter lives. Conjecture is that man's sinful nature tends to not handle long lives so well.

Gen 6:5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

The next great sin of mankind was the tower of Babel, the sole purpose being to reach the heavens and glorify mankind. Again this is a sin against the first commandment, for they were making themselves to have godlike status. God responded by changing the nature of mankind to not being united. Ever since then we have had multiple races that are in constant conflict keeping a check on any one people becoming so great as to reach the heavens and do the impossible.

Gen 11:1 1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.” 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Now getting back to your concern. The grievous sin science will be making is not of making half-breeds, it is the attempt to do what God did in creation, that is of making life through science and not normal natural ways. Again this is a sin against the first commandment, to make ourselves like God and create life.

Now look to the prophecy of Daniel where he states the end times will be accompanied by the increase of knowledge. Science has been the profession that has increased knowledge so much in the last 50 years. The internet is what makes this knowledge available to so many. Google is the tool to answer any question.

Do not bother to send comments to NIH. The end will not be stopped.
 
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Starting at the beginning, man is unique in creation in that we have souls that can contain God's spirit or Satan's.

Correction.... we don't have a soul, we are a soul. Reference Genesis 2:7

Also, nowhere in scripture, that I'm aware, does it mention that we acquire Satan's spirit. We are burdened with a carnal nature that is enmity against God and desperately wicked. We don't get to say, "the devil made me do it"....
 
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Now getting back to your concern. The grievous sin science will be making is not of making half-breeds, it is the attempt to do what God did in creation, that is of making life through science and not normal natural ways. Again this is a sin against the first commandment, to make ourselves like God and create life.

Now look to the prophecy of Daniel where he states the end times will be accompanied by the increase of knowledge. Science has been the profession that has increased knowledge so much in the last 50 years. The internet is what makes this knowledge available to so many. Google is the tool to answer any question.

Do not bother to send comments to NIH. The end will not be stopped.

The bible says that when you see abomination and "choose to do nothing" to prevent it - you share in the guilt.

In Ezek 9 those who are moved to action when confronted with the sins around them -- are spared the judgment due that guilt.
 
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Correction.... we don't have a soul, we are a soul. Reference Genesis 2:7
Not, read a modern translation for a proper understanding of Gen 2:7. The KJV uses the word soul in so many different ways causing people to quote one verse out of context to mean something else and rationalize the invalid. In KJ, soul can mean person, body or spiritual being. The currently accepted meaning of soul is our spiritual being, which is a subset of the KJV's use of the word. Since we no longer communicate in the King's English, it is deceptive to throw around King's English in with common English conversations.

Further, what difference is there between us being a body with an eternal soul or us being an eternal soul with a body?

Also, nowhere in scripture, that I'm aware, does it mention that we acquire Satan's spirit. We are burdened with a carnal nature that is enmity against God and desperately wicked. We don't get to say, "the devil made me do it"....
You don't argue that the Holy Spirit can fill us.
You ignore that people have be demon possessed, definitely not God's spirit, but the devil's.
People in between with sinful nature, not mentioned in my post.
Blame, irrelevant to the issue.

How about you argue at least one relevant point of my post, that being what makes man unique in creation and in the image of God, is our soul.
 
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The bible says that when you see abomination and "choose to do nothing" to prevent it - you share in the guilt.

In Ezek 9 those who are moved to action when confronted with the sins around them -- are spared the judgment due that guilt.
The much greater abomination in the world today is the one of shedding innocent blood. Abortion has killed millions and yes Christians do much work against this evil, but are blocked.
Israel was condemned for this same sin when they were sacrificing their children.
 
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The much greater abomination in the world today is the one of shedding innocent blood. .

As soon as they open a 30 day period for public comment -- so as to oppose or promote federal funding for abortion - I also would be posting a thread calling for comment on that one as well.

In the mean time - no need for "debate paralysis" on such an easy topic and an obvious pathway to take action.
 
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As soon as they open a 30 day period for public comment -- so as to oppose or promote federal funding for abortion - I also would be posting a thread calling for comment on that one as well.

In the mean time - no need for "debate paralysis" on such an easy topic and an obvious pathway to take action.
The government does little for the cause of God. It does much against it. I fear that any communication with the government is fruitless. The warning should be done, but to those that have a chance of heeding it.

The point of warnings are to save some from falling into the pit. There is no stopping what is to come as prophesied by God.

Romans 8:36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

Revelation 13:10 “If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.” This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.
 
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The much greater abomination in the world today is the one of shedding innocent blood. Abortion has killed millions and yes Christians do much work against this evil, but are blocked.
Israel was condemned for this same sin when they were sacrificing their children.
My point is that there is enough already present in the word to justify God's judgement on it. One more thing will not put us over the tipping point and bring instant judgement. It is by the grace of God that he allows all the sin and wickedness in this world to continue, until all that will be saved have been saved.

God may use a multiple of ways to end any specific grievous offense he desires. This does not have to be the end of the world, it could be just an end to the science research.
 
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Further, what difference is there between us being a body with an eternal soul or us being an eternal soul with a body?
No difference as they are both wrong... where in scripture do you read that any part of us is immortal or eternal. This reasoning plays directly into Satans lie to Eve that we would not surely die. If you believe that upon death, we immediately are translated to Heaven or to eternal hell, then you believe we are immortal.... never experiencing death but a transformation.
 
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My point is that there is enough already present in the word to justify God's judgement on it.

And enough at the time of Christ to justify God's destruction of Jerusalem. But in Matt 23 the doctrine of inherited guilt is explained. The Jews were not simply guilty of past sins because they were born to the lineage of those who did those sins. They became guilty because they - knowing full well the sins of the past - engaged in the same things themselves.

The Christians of today condemn prior ages for not "being counted" more explicitly as subjects like Abortion were still in the "being discussed" phase. Long before federal funding of it.

But now - when Christians are themselves placed at that very moment -- on yet another form of abomination will they stand be counted - the "light set on a hill" -- or will they cower and excuse themselves in paralysis of analysis, and paralysis of excuse and debate. More "inaction" from those who claim 'they woulda done better'???

As Christ points out in Matt 23 "that upon you may fall all the guilt of all the blood shed since Abel".


Matt 23
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

The secret to "inheriting" all that guilt in the final generation is to repeat the wrongs - knowing full well the history of it. And "excusing yourself" --

Yet some Christians are washing their hands of this - by standing and being counted.

in Christ,

Bob
 
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The much greater abomination in the world today is the one of shedding innocent blood. Abortion has killed millions and yes Christians do much work against this evil, but are blocked.
Israel was condemned for this same sin when they were sacrificing their children.
You 'know', or not?, that that Scripture refers to what Martin Luther exposed and all the reformers also revealed from Scripture, and is denied world wide by all those who approve of killing those who speak God's Word ?
 
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