LDS Do some of the Sons of Perdition Have Bodies?

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

Isn't that kind of weird?

Alma 40
19 Now, whether the souls and the bodies of those of whom has been spoken shall all be reunited at once, the wicked as well as the righteous, I do not say; let it suffice, that I say that they all come forth; or in other words, their resurrection cometh to pass before the resurrection of those who die after the resurrection of Christ.

fatboys · Aug 7, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
Isn't that kind of weird?

Alma 40
19 Now, whether the souls and the bodies of those of whom has been spoken shall all be reunited at once, the wicked as well as the righteous, I do not say; let it suffice, that I say that they all come forth; or in other words, their resurrection cometh to pass before the resurrection of those who die after the resurrection of Christ.

He is explaining the resurrection. You can't take one verse and expect it to make a big puzzle make sense. Read the chapters before and after.

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

fatboys said:
He is explaining the resurrection. You can't take one verse and expect it to make a big puzzle make sense. Read the chapters before and after.

I've read all of the Book of Mormon and countless articles in the Ensign as well as general conference talks. You know that. You know that every person on earth gets resurrected regardless of how evil they are.

fatboys · Aug 7, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
I've read all of the Book of Mormon and countless articles in the Ensign as well as general conference talks. You know that. You know that every person on earth gets resurrected regardless of how evil they are.

Yes so what is your point

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

I made my point in the OP.

withwonderingawe · Aug 7, 2016

Sons of perdition will be resurrected and then go into outer darkness.

brinny · Aug 7, 2016

Do some of the Sons of Perdition Have Bodies?

Judas did.

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

withwonderingawe said:
Sons of perdition will be resurrected and then go into outer darkness.

Who asked about their destination?

brinny said:
Do some of the Sons of Perdition Have Bodies?

Judas did.

Yeah, that's actually off-topic because I was asking Mormons who say that Satan and 1/3 of the hosts of heaven don't.

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

error

brinny · Aug 7, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
Who asked about their destination?

Yeah, that's actually off-topic because I was asking Mormons who say that Satan and 1/3 of the hosts of heaven don't.

From the title of the thread, i thought of Judas and what Jesus called him, and that was a son of perdition.

And he had a body.

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

brinny said:
From the title of the thread, i thought of Judas and what Jesus called him, and that was a son of perdition.

And he had a body.

I understand, but I was talking about the resurrection in light of Mormon doctrine.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Perdition

Destruction.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of PERDITION. ( 2 Thessalonians 1:1 Luke 2:1-3 )

Mormon theology:

According to LDS Church theology, there are two classes of persons who will become sons of perdition: The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. It is taught that, in the pre-mortal life, they chose to follow a plan proposed by Satan, rather than that presented by God the Father and Jesus.

brinny · Aug 7, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
I understand, but I was talking about the resurrection in light of Mormon doctrine.

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Perdition

Destruction.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of PERDITION. ( 2 Thessalonians 1:1 Luke 2:1-3 )

Mormon theology:

According to LDS Church theology, there are two classes of persons who will become sons of perdition: The pre-mortal spirit followers of Satan. It is taught that, in the pre-mortal life, they chose to follow a plan proposed by Satan, rather than that presented by God the Father and Jesus.

Thank you kindly for the clarity.

fatboys · Aug 7, 2016

brinny said:
Thank you kindly for the clarity.

There are very fe people who have been born on earth that would have nough knowledge and light to be considered a son of perdition. But those who become sons of perdition being born on earth will be resurrected and have an advantage ver Satan and those that followed him.

withwonderingawe · Aug 7, 2016

brinny said:
Do some of the Sons of Perdition Have Bodies?

Judas did.

Satan and the spirits which chose to follow him did not keep their first estate therefore they were not given physical bodies, they remain spirits forever. The small handful of men on this earth who deny the Holy Ghost and are judged sons of perdition will receive the resurrection for Jesus put all death under his feet but they will go with Satan into outer darkness.

We do not know exactly what outer darkness is, so what their final condition is we do not at this time understand.

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

fatboys said:
There are very fe people who have been born on earth that would have nough knowledge and light to be considered a son of perdition. But those who become sons of perdition being born on earth will be resurrected and have an advantage ver Satan and those that followed him.

Scripture reference?

ToBeLoved · Aug 7, 2016

withwonderingawe said:
Satan and the spirits which chose to follow him did not keep their first estate therefore they were not given physical bodies, they remain spirits forever. The small handful of men on this earth who deny the Holy Ghost and are judged sons of perdition will receive the resurrection for Jesus put all death under his feet but they will go with Satan into outer darkness.

We do not know exactly what outer darkness is, so what their final condition is we do not at this time understand.

So then did the Bible tell an untruth when it says specifically that Satan and his followers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and sulfur?

Rescued One · Aug 7, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
So then did the Bible tell an untruth when it says specifically that Satan and his followers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and sulfur?

Outer Darkness
These are they who had testimonies of Jesus through the Holy Ghost and knew the power of the Lord but allowed Satan to overcome them. They denied the truth and defied the power of the Lord. There is no forgiveness for them, for they denied the Holy Spirit after having received it. They will not have a kingdom of glory. They will live in eternal darkness, torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. (See D&C 76:28–35, 44–48.)
https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-46-the-final-judgment?lang=eng

withwonderingawe · Aug 7, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
So then did the Bible tell an untruth when it says specifically that Satan and his followers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire and sulfur?

It depends on if you want to take it literally

Rev 20
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So hell is not the same as the lake of fire, hell will be done away with.

Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Jesus uses the term outer darkness several times, there is the man who shows up at the wedding feast without his wedding garments or unprepared, un-righteous he is cast out into outer darkness.

I don't believe God created a real lake of fire but that it is an idiom for the pain we would feel separated from God, his light and love.

ToBeLoved · Aug 8, 2016

So how does Mormomism explain the Blacks, the Sons of Cain if the sons of perdition don't have bodies?

Seems through their own theology they have answered the question.

fatboys · Aug 8, 2016

Phoebe Ann said:
Outer Darkness
These are they who had testimonies of Jesus through the Holy Ghost and knew the power of the Lord but allowed Satan to overcome them. They denied the truth and defied the power of the Lord. There is no forgiveness for them, for they denied the Holy Spirit after having received it. They will not have a kingdom of glory. They will live in eternal darkness, torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. (See D&C 76:28–35, 44–48.)
https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-46-the-final-judgment?lang=eng

This is talking about a calling election made sure. If a person has received pure light and knowledge through the power of the Holy Ghost, this prepares them to see Christ in his glory while in mortality. After this experience if they deny what they have had thus is the sin against the Holy Ghost which there is no forgiveness in this world or the world to come. Again very few who have been born on earth would qualify. This includes judas.

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