Today at 08:29 PM Talmid HaYarok said this in Post #22
Well according to the Bible a covenant is exactly what they don't have. Ishmael got the blessing, Isaac got covenant.
When Abraham took Isaac up to the mountain, the Lord established the covenant through Isaac (even though its implied that Ishmael was there).
Second, the Eqyptians of today primarily are Arabs, so of course they look like them. The original Egyptian people were already largely gone by Yeshua's time. Egypt went through long periods of rule by Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, and the original Egyptian people were eventually no longer distinguishable.
Later on Muslim warriors swept into Egypt and made it predominatly Arab (though there were already some there).
Talmid, A covenant is defined simply in reguards to religion as this in the American heritage dictionary: God's promise to the human race. And from Easton's Bible dictionary:
2.) The word is used with reference to God's
revelation of himself in the way of promise or of favour to men. Thus God's promise to Noah after the Flood is called a covenant (Gen. 9; Jer. 33:20, "my covenant"). We have an account of God's covernant with Abraham (Gen. 17, comp. Lev. 26:42), of the covenant of the priesthood (Num. 25:12, 13; Deut. 33:9;
Neh. 13:29), and of the covenant of Sinai (Ex. 34:27, 28; Lev. 26:15), which was afterwards renewed at different times in the history of Israel (Deut. 29;Josh. 1:24; 2 Chr. 15; 23; 29; 34; Ezra 10; Neh. 9). In conformity with human custom, God's covenant is said to be confirmed with an oath (Deut. 4:31; Ps.89:3), and to be accompanied by a sign (Gen. 9; 17). Hence the covenant is
called God's "counsel," "oath," "promise" (Ps. 89:3, 4; 105:8-11; Heb. 6:13-20;Luke 1:68-75). God's covenant consists wholly in the bestowal of blessing (Isa.59:21; Jer. 31:33, 34). The term covenant is also used to designate the regular succession of day and night (Jer. 33:20), the Sabbath (Ex. 31:16), circumcision
(Gen. 17:9, 10), and in general any ordinance of God (Jer. 34:13, 14). A "covenant of salt" signifies an everlasting covenant, in the sealing or ratifying of which salt, as an emblem of perpetuity, is used (Num. 18:19; Lev. 2:13; 2 Chr. 13:5). COVENANT OF WORKS, the constitution under which Adam was placed at his creation. In this covenant, <I>(1.)</I> The contracting parties were (a)
God the moral Governor, and (b) Adam, a free moral agent, and representative of all his natural posterity (Rom. 5:12-19).
So I was not incorrect in my description of a covenant entered into God with Hagar. A covenant with God is a promise that he makes with man, sometimes these are conditional other times they are not.
And I most definitley beg to differ on what Egyptians look like.. many actually believe Cleopatra was an Egyptian woman..but she was not..so that's a misconception that doesn't fall far from the "I know what someone is based on how they look" tree.
Lastly, Yeshua was not in earth as a human at the time of Abraham, Hagar, Sarah, Ishmael and Issac..so you saying that the people didn't look like the original people during Yeshua's times is rather moot considering I was talking about WAY BEFORE his time..
And Egyptians sure had to look a little different than a Jew otherwise there would be no designation on who is what.. It's rather uneducated yes to look at someone and assume you know what they are.. but people of same ethnicities do have similar features in some respect and that is a fact.. That's how people tell what someone is in yes, and rather uneducated or lowly educated way..when I look at a Black person, I don't mistake them for white, reguardless of whether that black person is as light as Mariah Carey or as dark as Flip Wilson...
Missy