Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

Characteristics of Evils spirits, devils, unclean spirits

Supernatural Strength:

Acts19:12-16 One man possessed overcame the seven sons of Sceva,

Matthew 8:28, Luke 8:29

Connected with infirmities:

Luke 8:2, Luke 7:21, Acts 8:7,

Multiple evil spirits can possess one person:

Mark 16:9 Luke 8:2, Luke 8:30-36,

Cause individuals to be self destructive:

Luke 9:42, Mark 1:26

When cast out seek another to possess or can return to the same person:

Luke 11:24

Can possess animals:

Matthew 8:31, Mark 5:12-13

They recognize those who have authority over them:

Mark 1:34, Mark 3:11, Luke 4:41, Acts 19:15, James 2:19

They roam this earth seeking one to possess and are not yet cast into hell:

Matthew 8:29, Matthew 12:43,

May gather in certain areas:

Revelation 18:12

Desire worship and are behind false religions, false doctrine, and the occult:

2 Chronicles 33:6, 1 Corinthians 10:20, 1 Timothy 4:1, Revelation 9:20

Can work miracles:

Revelation 16:14

Devils do not cast out other devils:

Luke 11:15-22

Devils respond to the name of Jesus:

Mark 9:38, Mark 16:17, Luke 10:17, Luke 9:49,

Cause abnormal behavior:

Luke 8:27

Can be used of God for His purposes: Note: all of these are Old Testament references.

Judges 9:23, 1 Samuel 16:14-16, 1 Samuel 18:10, 1 Samuel 19:9, 1 Kings 22:23, 2 Chronicles 18:22,

Evils spirits, devils, unclean spirits are never referred to in scripture as “fallen angels". These characteristics are not how "fallen angels" are described in scripture.

Fallen angels


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Ephesians 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].



Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Daniel 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

One called a prince has some authority over Persia (Ephesians 6:12). This prince withstood an angel from God sent to Daniel for 21 days and required the help of The chief prince Michael to prevail. No human prince could do this. The angel of God referred to as a “chief prince” therefore the prince of Persia whom Michael helped to overcome must be a fallen angel.

14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Angel of God dispatched to Daniel in response to his desire to understand and his prayer to God.

15 And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb.

16 And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength.

17 For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.

18 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,

The angel of God had the appearance of a man.

19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

The angel of God returns to do battle with the fallen angel.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Michael an angel of God again referred to as a prince.

Both angels of God and fallen angels are called princes, sons of God.







Evil spirts, unclean spirits, familiar spirits, and devils are never referred to in scripture as fallen angels, or princes.

Fallen angels are never said in scripture to possess a person.

Fallen angels are never said in scripture to possess animals.

Some Fallen angels are in chains some are not, only the ones that “sinned”. Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4

Some Fallen angels have areas or territories they oversee. Some fallen angels are very powerful, so much so that it took two angels of God to overcome one. Daniel 10:13

The only place fallen angels are cast in scripture is out of heaven, down to earth Revelation 12:9 and to hell in chains of darkness. 2 Peter 2:4. Jesus nor the disciples ever cast a fallen angel out of anyone in scripture.

Gods angels have the ability to appear in human form no scripture says fallen angels have lost that ability. Since they still fight against Gods angels that is proof they have not lost, at least some of the power they once held.

The only thing I can see in scripture that evil spirits and fallen angels have in common is that they answer to satan.

Straightshot said:

I believe that the fallen angels are the "evil spirits" .... there are few scriptures that describe them in the Lord's Word

Satan is described, his top gun is described, and the others are described as indicated [post #243]

I find no references in scripture that describe "demons" that do not fit the category of fallen angels by description and related linkage .... these other reprobate angels are defined as powers and principalities of the air, those sequestered in the abyss awaiting the coming judgment of the tribulation and those bound at the Euphrates .... both to be released up on the earth during the period for the purpose of deceiving and killing humans

And one the tribulation is over they will all be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire .... except for Satan who will then be sent to the abyss so that He will not be able to deceive the nations of the Lord's millennial kingdom

However, He will be released at the end of the period to deceive and cause one last human rebellion against the Lord which will fail again .... then this evil cherub will be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire

The book of Enoch is laced with error and should not be entertained for adding to the Lord's Word, and particularly with regard for defining fallen angels by re-classing them into various non-existent forms

So you already know the related scriptures and I should not have to restate them for you .... and all of them define and connect in some way with the fallen angels

I would have to even go so far as to warn you about tampering with the book of Enoch because of your passion for the habit

The book is fraudulent ... not written by Enoch in the first place, and may be a tool of satanic deception designed to draw human contact

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Straightshot said:

I believe that the fallen angels are the "evil spirits" .... there are few scriptures that describe them in the Lord's Word

Lots of people believe that but there has been no scripture posted that backs that up.

Satan is described, his top gun is described, and the others are described as indicated [post #243]

Straightshot Post # 243

My comment

All of the above are a part of Satan's fallen angels

All over the above refers to my list of evil spirits, unclean spirits and devils. Your statement that they are fallen angels is supported by what?

And this is the one that is at the top of the chain and will inhabit the little horn of Daniel's visions .... the one who rules the historic and future 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for Satan [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

Rev 9:11 a fallen angel

Rev 11:7 the beast out of the bottomless pit

Rev 13:1-4 a beast out of the sea and the dragon

Rev 17: 8-18 the beast

None of the above scriptures mention or are tied to evil spirits

The fallen angels are the "demons" that meddle .... some are free, some are in the abyss, and some are bound at the Euphrates River

Revelation 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

This passage calls them angels not devils, unclean spirits or evil spirits. Your interpretation says they are the same. Why are some free?

These will all be directly active upon the earth during the coming tribulation, multiple millions of them .... all created in the beginning .... and all rebelled with Satan as their "god" against the Lord

These are called angels not devils, unclean spirits or evil spirits.

Their destiny .... their destruction in His lake of fire

True


I find no references in scripture that describe "demons" that do not fit the category of fallen angels by description and related linkage ....

You have shown no linkage.

these other reprobate angels are defined as powers and principalities of the air,

True Ephesians 6:12 no linkage to devils, unclean spirits or evil spirits.

those sequestered in the abyss awaiting the coming judgment of the tribulation

What did those that are chained do to get “sequestered” some are still free as you pointed out, as well as I in several of my posts.

and those bound at the Euphrates .... both to be released up on the earth during the period for the purpose of deceiving and killing humans

Both of which are fallen angels.

And one the tribulation is over they will all be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire .... except for Satan who will then be sent to the abyss so that He will not be able to deceive the nations of the Lord's millennial kingdom

True.

However, He will be released at the end of the period to deceive and cause one last human rebellion against the Lord which will fail again .... then this evil cherub will be destroyed in the Lord's lake of fire

True.

The book of Enoch is laced with error and should not be entertained for adding to the Lord's Word, and particularly with regard for defining fallen angels by re-classing them into various non-existent forms

I didn’t mention Enoch in my post on fallen angels and evil spirits, only scripture.

So you already know the related scriptures and I should not have to restate them for you .... and all of them define and connect in some way with the fallen angels

I’ve seen no scripture that you have posted that even hint fallen angels and evil spirits are the same , that is your opinion.

I would have to even go so far as to warn you about tampering with the book of Enoch because of your passion for the habit

Should I warn you of making claims as fact you have not given scripture for?

The book is fraudulent ... not written by Enoch in the first place, and may be a tool of satanic deception designed to draw human contact

Why did Jude and Jesus quote from it?

Anakims

Anakims were a race of giants.

Deuteronomy 1:28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.

Deuteronomy 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

Deuteronomy 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.

Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the Lord destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:

Deuteronomy 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Anakims were giants that Joshua destroyed. I submit that the reason they were wiped out is because they were giants. There is no other reasonable explanation. To say these groups were utterly destroyed simply because they were sinful ignores the truth scripture reveals to us. No mention in these passages of their standing before God, only that they were giants. No evidence they were annihilated simply because they were ungodly.

Joshua 11:21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities.

22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

All Anakims in the mountains of Israel were “utterly destroyed”. Some remained in Gaza, Gath and Asdod.

The Sethite view is false!

Straightshot said:

Let the forum know when you find one of your multi-toed giant demons

To believe and chase after your fetish is very strange behavior indeed

Not only that, but what you so doggedly are trying to prove has no purpose .... nothing

The unfulfilled portion of Bible prophecy presents nothing about multi-toed giant demons roaming the earth

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This forum is still waiting for you to use facts and not rhetoric.

Og


Deuteronomy 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Deuteronomy 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Joshua 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Joshua 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Og king of Bashan was a giant and Bashan was called the land of giants.

Are we really to believe large numbers of giants come into being by Godly procreating with ungodly? Or just groups of tall people simply got together and formed cities because there were so many genetic anomalies in that day.

The facts are clear those who oppose the subject matter of this thread have no real answers for what happened in the Old Testament concerning the giants. Many post theories designed to hide the supernatural aspect of the phenomenon, but they are just desperate attempts to avoid the reality of scripture.

No real answers have been given for their total destruction at God’s command other than they were sinful. Were all sinful short people wiped out by God? Most of the excuses offered by those that disagree to not pass the common sense or scriptural test.

No facts will be offered to counter this or many of the other posts, only snide and denigrating remarks.

Goliath, Lahmi brother of Goliath, Ishbibenob, Saph

All of the above are slain giants.

1 Samuel 17:1 Now the Philistines gathered together their armies to battle, and were gathered together at Shochoh, which belongeth to Judah, and pitched between Shochoh and Azekah, in Ephesdammim.

2 And Saul and the men of Israel were gathered together, and pitched by the valley of Elah, and set the battle in array against the Philistines.

3 And the Philistines stood on a mountain on the one side, and Israel stood on a mountain on the other side: and there was a valley between them.

4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

9 ft. 6 to 9 in. different sources differ on the exact height.

5 And he had an helmet of brass upon his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail; and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of brass.

125lbs.

6 And he had greaves of brass upon his legs, and a target of brass between his shoulders.

7 And the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam; and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron: and one bearing a shield went before him.

15 lbs.

By any definition a huge man, to wear 125 lbs. of armor and throw a spear with a 15 lbs. head would require enormous strength.


1 Samuel 17:23 And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them.

1 Samuel 21:9 And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.

1 Samuel 22:10 And he enquired of the Lord for him, and gave him victuals, and gave him the sword of Goliath the Philistine.

2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

1 Chronicles 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.


2 Samuel 21:15 Moreover the Philistines had yet war again with Israel; and David went down, and his servants with him, and fought against the Philistines: and David waxed faint.

16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.

17 But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel.

18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.

19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

Not a normal trait, and only mention in scripture in connection with giants.

21 And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimeah the brother of David slew him.

22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.


1 Chronicles 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.

5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.

6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant.

7 But when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him.

8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

Scripture has many references to giants and their descriptions. Giants are always eradicated. The nay sayers to this thread have no real answers as to why.

Straightshot said:

We have "giants" on the earth today .... do you ever watch professional basketball?

Maybe you should check and see if any of the tall ones have more than 10 toes

You are chasing a folly .... why not spend your time giving witness to Jesus Christ, His salvation, and His more sure word of prophecy which is a very powerful foundation proving His Word to be true

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Straightshot said:

We have "giants" on the earth today .... do you ever watch professional basketball?

Really, does God want all NBA players slain?

Maybe you should check and see if any of the tall ones have more than 10 toes

Maybe you should come up with something relevant to the topic.

You are chasing a folly .... why not spend your time giving witness to Jesus Christ, His salvation, and His more sure word of prophecy which is a very powerful foundation proving His Word to be true

The Holy Spirit thought it important enough to insert much information on the topic in our bible. Since you disagree with the subject matter of this thread, why don’t you spend some time coming up with real answers to the questions you avoid.

We are told in scripture to study to show ourselves approved that is not limited to just topics you deem important.

Have you noticed how many people have read this thread in just a short time?

Straightshot said:

Your focus is upon a fraudulent book of Enoch for your fetish .... not the Lord's Word

So this is the last time I will dialogue with you on the subject .... I can see that you will not change your course, so any more discussion would be a waste of my time

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Straightshot from Post #75

“My final comment to the originator of this thread”