7 Day creation- literal or figurative?
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Its not between the lines. Its the lines themselves. But, it requires gaining knowledge of many areas of God's Word before you can think with God's Word in a more completed way!
They are not really hidden...They do not have to be. They will only remain that way to the closed eyes and closed minds. Trusting in tradition without understanding. Not trusting in the Lord.
Here's one that you may get quickly. Why could the Lord not have a human biological father? It just tells us that he did not have one.
The answer is hidden. But, it become obvious ... once its disclosed.
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Exo 20:16 ¶ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Please point out just ONE false teaching of mine or everyone will see that it is NOT me who is bearing false witness. Since I support my views with the AGREEMENT of God's Holy Word, I don't think you can. Please use the KJV.
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Uhhhhhh... Aman?.. I know he is having difficulty with the things I am telling him. But, your concepts? Are flat out illogical. They defy both the full council of God's Word, and the realities we can know from the world around us. Was the Sabbath day to be 1000 years long? 7000 years? There are serious problems with your fantasy. You treat the Bible as if it were fantasy, and not about reality.
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No, the 7th Day is Eternity. God has but 7 Days (yowm-periods of time) and today remains the 6th Creative Day/Age. That's because God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ Spiritually. That means that we live today at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.
It may sound strange but it's the Key to understanding the Bible. The reason is because the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis tell the complete History of God's 7 Days of Creation. From Gen 2:4 to the end of Rev 22, EVERY verse refers back to the DETAILS of one of those 7 Days. ie. Gen 2:4-7 takes us back to the 3rd Day and reveals that BEFORE the plants, herbs and rain, Lord God "formed" Adam of the dust of the ground and breathed life into him.
This understanding also agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History. It also reveals that the Theory of Evolution is totally False. So, don't be too quick to think it's fantasy. It's God's Truth which has been hidden for thousands of years and can only be understood by the people of the last days before Jesus returns. God hid His Truth in the discoveries and the increased knowledge of the last days.
What is really interesting to me is that Young Earth Creationists have been telling the world from the beginning, that God created EVERYTHING in 6 Days and then Rested from ALL of His Work. They have correctly told God's Truth, by Faith, and my study simply ADDS the details which confirms their teaching. The only difference is that the 1st Day was less than 6 Days ago in God's time. God Bless you
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No, it's not the lines...it your interpretation of what's happening between the lines.
There are several reasons as to why Jesus didn't have a biological father. One might deal with His hypostatic union.
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The Bible does not condemn drinking for healthy reasons. Yet, the Bible condemns getting drunk. What you think sounds like you are sinning. Its totally irrational.
You are treating the Word of God as if it were a Rorschach blot. Its crazy thinking, and not worth arguing about.
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Amen, and I have NEVER said such a thing. Adam was "formed" by Lord God/Jesus from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day BEFORE plants, herbs and rain according to Gen 2:4-7....BUT....Adam was NOT "created" until the 6th Day, by God The TRINITY. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2
Lord God/Jesus formed or made TEMPORARY beings, like mankind, who MUST be born again Spiritually by the TRINITY. Otherwise, mankind will be lost since ONLY God the Trinity "creates" Spiritually and Eternally.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was NOT first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Eve was made temporarily from Adam's rib by the Lord God/Jesus Gen 2:22....BUT....she was "created" by God/Trinity Eternally at the SAME time Adam was "created" and that was on the 6th Day AFTER the fall and AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2
That is God's Truth Scripturally and it is supported throughout Scripture.
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Then refute me Scripturally. Otherwise, your position is nothing more than an unsupported "belief" or an opinion. Christianity MUST be supported by two or three witnesses, Scripturally. Jesus said:
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
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No, my bible CLEARLY says day 6. So does you'rs if you would read it.
You preach your nonsense from your "Baptist" pulpit and they'll laugh you away.
But, as I say, go on preaching your nonsense. No one's listening.
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Interesting concept...who else besides you teaches Adam wasn't formed from the dust on day 6?
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There is confusion because Genesis One, and Genesis Two, are covering two different phases of this creation.
The body of Adam was not created in God's image (shadow image). The body was the tabernacle provided for what God had created [bara] in His Image. The body was not created [bara]. Rather, it was formed and molded [jatsar] out from what had already been created [bara]. Molded and formed out from the created earth.
What was created in God's Image? God is invisible and immaterial. The human souls (male and female) were first created in Genesis One. The soul is life that is immaterial and invisible. Then, a temporary physical body was provided for in Genesis Two for the the everlasting soul. The Hebrew makes this clear. The English makes the reader dull to what is going on. God stopped creating after the Sixth Day. The body of Adam was not created 'out from nothing' [bara] like the human soul was created 'out from nothing.' The body was molded and formed [jatsar] out from what had been created 'out from nothing.' For, in the beginning God (plurality - Trinity) created [bara] the heavens and earth - OUT FROM NOTHING.
The Hebrew word meanings, when seen as they meant at the time of writing, tells us that Genesis Two was only a next phase for what had already been created in Genesis One. English translations are too un-exacting and leave doors wide open for poetic license and human speculation.
Genesis One was primarily about BARA - creating something, out from nothing.
Genesis Two was about what was done with what had been already created. Souls needed physical bodies. Both man and animals had their souls given physical bodies [jatsar] in Genesis Two. Their souls were already created [bara] in the creation account of Genesis One.
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
Genesis 2:2-3
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day
he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because
on it he rested from all the work of creating [bara] that he had done.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day
he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because
on it he rested from all the work of creating [bara] that he had done.
God had rested and ceased from 'creating [bara] something out from nothing' at that point. No more bara is found mentioned in Genesis Two in the Hebrew text. For, it tells us that the body of Adam was not created [bara] out from nothing. It tells us that God after the Sixth Day had ceased doing that. No creating out from nothing.
Now, in Genesis Two? God was working with what He had already created out from nothing [bara] as shown in Genesis One. The Hebrew is how we can know that there are not two creation accounts. For God was not creating [bara] anything in Genesis Two! The Hebrew lets us know that. To Moses reading those words to the people who spoke the language? They knew exactly what was meant. Us? We need to find out what the Hebrew meant. English translations are vague. We also use words differently today. We do not think in terms of creating something out from nothing. The word bara in relation to creating, was only found written in reference to God. For only God can create something out from nothing!
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Genesis 1:28 shows that Adam (mankind) is destined to have dominion or rule over EVERY living creature, including Angels, when Jesus returns. The Creation account teaches the proper order which is:
God...Gen 1:1..Before the 1st Day. Jesus...Gen 1:3..the Light of the 1st Day..Adam..mankind on Day 3 Gen 2:4-7...Angels 1Co 6:3...and then every other living creature on Day 5. Gen 1:21
That is also WHY Jesus tells us that we MUST be born again, born from above Eternally which MUST be done by God the Trinity. God said this on the 6th Day.
Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and Jesus:
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Jhn 14:17 Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
IOW, The Bible, when read for what it actually says, instead of what religion says it says, is my support. God bless you
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Adam's body was formed and molded [jatsar] as found in Genesis Two, only after God had already rested from creating [bara] the soul of Adam in Genesis One. The created soul, that had been created in Genesis One, was breathed into the nostrils of a body that was molded and formed (not created) as we find in Genesis Two.
Without the help of the Hebrew being understood? There will be many confused souls when reading the English translations of Genesis One and Two. That is why some try to force a two-creations theory in attempt to reconcile what they fail to see correctly.
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Sorry, but your theory does not work since man (Adam) was formed on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants and herbs which GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12 shows this AND Gen 2:4-7 agrees. The verse show that the Trees GREW on the 3rd Day and this too is confirmed by Gen 2:8-9 since God shows that Trees were made AFTER Adam was formed. Also, since it takes God (Trinity) to "create" and Adam was NOT created until the 6th Day Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2, your theory doesn't work.
*** What was created in God's Image? God is invisible and immaterial. The human souls (male and female) were first created in Genesis One. The soul is life that is immaterial and invisible. Then, a temporary physical body was provided for in Genesis Two for the the everlasting soul. The Hebrew makes this clear. The English makes the reader dull to what is going on. God stopped creating after the Sixth Day. The body of Adam was not created 'out from nothing' [bara] like the human soul was created 'out from nothing.' The body was molded and formed [jatsar] out from what had been created 'out from nothing.' For, in the beginning God (plurality - Trinity) created [bara] the heavens and earth - OUT FROM NOTHING.
Amen. God "creates" only 3 times in Genesis Chapter One, which is the OUTLINE of ALL of the 7 Days of Creation. God creates the heaven and earth in Gen 1:1. He creates "every living creature that moves" on the 5th Day from the water. Gen 1:21 He creates Adam and Eve in His Image, which is in Christ, on the 6th Day Gen 1:27 AND God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image or in Christ TODAY. Just ask any Gospel preacher.
*** The Hebrew word meanings, when seen as they meant at the time of writing, tells us that Genesis Two was only a next phase for what had already been created in Genesis One. English translations are too un-exacting and leave doors wide open for poetic license and human speculation.
Genesis One was primarily about BARA - creating something, out from nothing.
Genesis Two was about what was done with what had been already created. Souls needed physical bodies. Both man and animals had their souls given physical bodies [jatsar] in Genesis Two. Their souls were already created [bara] in the creation account of Genesis One.
Doesn't work since Eve was made from Adam's rib on the 6th Day Gen 2:22 by Lord God/Jesus. THEN, after the fall, and AFTER Cain killed Abel, she was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually, at the SAME time Adam was "created" NOT by Lord God/Jesus, but by God/Trinity.
*** Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
Genesis 2:2-3
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day
he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because
on it he rested from all the work of creating [bara] that he had done.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day
he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because
on it he rested from all the work of creating [bara] that he had done.
God had rested and ceased from 'creating [bara] something out from nothing' at that point. No more bara is found mentioned in Genesis Two in the Hebrew text. For, it tells us that the body of Adam was not created [bara] out from nothing. It tells us that God after the Sixth Day had ceased doing that. No creating out from nothing.
Doesn't work since creating a New Creature in Christ is done only by God, the Trinity. It's God's work today and He will NOT rest (Heb-shabbath-Cease) to create until Heaven is filled with NEW Christians, created Spiritually and Eternally, from nothing but His word.
*** Now, in Genesis Two? God was working with what He had already created out from nothing [bara] as shown in Genesis One. The Hebrew is how we can know that there are not two creation accounts. For God was not creating [bara] anything in Genesis Two! The Hebrew lets us know that. To Moses reading those words to the people who spoke the language? They knew exactly what was meant. Us? We need to find out what the Hebrew meant. English translations are vague. We also use words differently today. We do not think in terms of creating something out from nothing. The word bara in relation to creating, was only found written in reference to God. For only God can create something out from nothing!
Amen, and God the Trinity is still creating Eternal beings in Christ Today, since we still live at Gen 1:27 and we will NOT advance to the Prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. This is confirmed by Jesus when the Pharisees sought to kill Him because He had healed a man on the Sabbath. Jesus told them that the Father was still working hitherto or up to the present time and God's work IS Creating:
Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
The Holy Spirit is working today, so is Jesus, since He is preparing a place for us. God will not rest from "ALL" of His work of creating until His Creation is finished or brought to perfection. Gen 2:1 IF He had already rested in the beginning, NO one could be saved and man would turn again to dust.
Job 34:14 If He set His heart upon man, if He gather unto Himself His spirit and His breath; Job 34:15 All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
God will rest or cease creating at the end of the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation.
2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
God Bless you.
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Getting angry and resentful, is a sin. Yet, if someone takes pleasure in causing others to get angry and resentful by creating ideas to confuse and mislead? That is not called sin. The Bible calls it evil.
Sins happen when we perform an unrighteous act because of leaning upon our fallen nature for strength. In contrast to sin. Evil is a desire to replace truth with an invented lie.
One does not sin when he takes pleasure and enjoys confusing and misleading others, feeling superior in his own mind as to be able to deceive. Its now called evil. Evil, when one devises and invents ways to replace the Truth with a lie.. Evil = anti-faith.
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