The days of Noah

peterlindner · Jul 19, 2016

I don't listen to angels and their prophecies(book of Revelation, Daniel after he starts listening to angels). God showed that he could reach man directly and gave examples of not listening to angels. The bible speaks of an angel of death. How do you know which camp your angel is in? If they have white robes are they good angels? Bronze feet? Rainbow(lots of different rainbow messages today)? Saul had a spirit of confusion. So are all spirits from God the "good ones"? If someone gets a spirit with a cloven tongue is it "good"? What about if the spirit has power? Pharoh's rod turned into a snake.

By Christ-follower if you mean disciple like(pooling their money just in case God didn't work out for them, keeping an extra coat, etc); then that is not what I would want to do. But Peter shook off that label when he jumped into the water when he heard that Jesus was on the shore.

Waterwerx · Jul 19, 2016

peterlindner said:
The point for me is about God's time put into his word. The time was not for Thomas and other disobedient disciples to know. The time may not be for you to know either. If the point for you is to focus on the death of wicked people, then your time is always ready. God's love letter contains numbers and units and are converted with math.
Who..God
Why…because He is Good
What…greater than we can imagine
Where…here on earth
When…this is the treasure hidden in the field

"And then they wanted to stone Him"

The time is not known to anyone but God the Father Himself. Did you overlook Matthew 24:36 and equate others to disobedient disciples because they do not believe in setting dates? God's letter indeed contains numbers and units as a way of authentication and shedding further light on the Scriptures. However, they do not give times/dates of His return.

My time is always ready? I think someone needs to take a break from the forum for a few hours. I'm focusing on the Scriptures regarding the days of Noah just prior to the flood. I have no idea what you're implying by that sentence, but it does not seem very appealing.

Waterwerx · Jul 19, 2016

Luke17:37 said:
The death of the wicked comes when He returns (Revelation 19:21) after the Tribulation.
It's very simple.

What you are describing sounds like numerology which I don't think is right for a Christ-follower.

There's nothing wrong with numerology. However, it becomes a problem when you try to use it for setting eschatological dates of when this or that will occur.

peterlindner · Jul 19, 2016

Jesus knew his time. So somewhere in time, Jesus figured out His Father's timeline. I'm glad his "problem" solved mine.

Jesus cursed the fig tree that was face to face. That tree no longer brought forth fruit. It didn't mean that all fig trees stopped baring fruit. The disobedient disciples that Jesus was speaking to, it was not for them to know the times. It doesn't mean that someone can't ask God a question and expect God to reveal the answer.

Of course, Jesus reminded them in the forum (I mean temple) that God called Abraham alone; and they all wanted to kill him.

Luke17:37 · Jul 19, 2016

peterlindner said:
I don't listen to angels and their prophecies(book of Revelation, Daniel after he starts listening to angels). God showed that he could reach man directly and gave examples of not listening to angels. The bible speaks of an angel of death. How do you know which camp your angel is in? If they have white robes are they good angels? Bronze feet? Rainbow(lots of different rainbow messages today)? Saul had a spirit of confusion. So are all spirits from God the "good ones"? If someone gets a spirit with a cloven tongue is it "good"? What about if the spirit has power? Pharoh's rod turned into a snake.

By Christ-follower if you mean disciple like(pooling their money just in case God didn't work out for them, keeping an extra coat, etc); then that is not what I would want to do. But Peter shook off that label when he jumped into the water when he heard that Jesus was on the shore.

All Scripture is God breathed - that means Daniel and Revelation are, too (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

I think the enemy is trying to deceive you by convincing you to disregard parts of God's Word.

Also, God has made things plain to those who are His. Are you giving up the plain meaning of Scripture in search of something more exciting? Hidden? Personally, I think it's rebellion to not believe the plain meaning when there's a plain meaning (and there usually is).

I'm a disciple of Jesus.

peterlindner · Jul 19, 2016

answer my questions about angels and spirits and I will gladly answer your questions.

Straightshot · Jul 20, 2016

"I don't listen to angels and their prophecies(book of Revelation, Daniel after he starts listening to angels)"

Strange .... don't think I have ever heard this stated by a poster on a prophecy forum .... where did you get the idea?

Why not? .... the Lord's angels are the ones who convey His prophetic truths in many scriptures to His prophets

If you are not listening, then you are not listening to the Lord

peterlindner · Jul 20, 2016

Straightshot said:
"I don't listen to angels and their prophecies(book of Revelation, Daniel after he starts listening to angels)"

Strange .... don't think I have ever heard this stated by a poster on a prophecy forum .... where did you get the idea?

Why not? .... the Lord's angels are the ones who convey His prophetic truths in many scriptures to His prophets

If you are not listening, then you are not listening to the Lord

Many? Please share one (prophetic truth)

Straightshot · Jul 20, 2016

Not sure what you mean pete .... clarify

peterlindner · Jul 20, 2016

The person behind member name "Straighshot" said…
"the Lord's angels are the ones who convey His prophetic truths in many scriptures to His prophets".

I'm not asking you to prove many; but can you come up with one? Which scripture and What Truth?

Straightshot · Jul 20, 2016

First of all understand that I don't have to prove anything to you Pete .... got it?

Daniel
9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

And while you are at the task do a little worthwhile study and learn something

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Angels,-As-God~s-Messengers

peterlindner · Jul 20, 2016

I am glad that my faith is not dependent on your 'proof'.

You have pasted the scripture…what is the prophetic truth?

This angel in Daniel has come in with "churchy" language. And this is where Daniel's visions go to confusion (don't believe me; look to this or other forums on what the meaning of Daniel's prophecy means).

There is an angel of death, angels hanging out in graveyards, angel that you wrestle and get a messed up leg, and an angel that breaks up your boat into little pieces.

Straightshot · Jul 21, 2016

"You have pasted the scripture"

I believe the Lord's prophetic word 100%

Postvieww · Jul 22, 2016

peterlindner said:
The person behind member name "Straighshot" said…
"the Lord's angels are the ones who convey His prophetic truths in many scriptures to His prophets".

I'm not asking you to prove many; but can you come up with one? Which scripture and What Truth?

Luke 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.

22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.

23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.

24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

A lot of prophetic truth in this passage pronounced by an angel!

Straightshot · Jul 22, 2016

"I am glad that my faith is not dependent on your 'proof'"

It is not my proof .... but tell the forum about your faith

Where did you get it?

peterlindner · Jul 22, 2016

My faith came from God, the source. I had to throw out what was fed to me from pastors (paste-ers). I had to question all things that had come from family, religion, and other people's spiritual bowels. I realized that God could reach people directly (Abraham, Moses, Samuel,David, and Jesus). So in my re-boot I asked questions of God; then I read scripture and waited for his answer. I didn't look for popular or traditional answers. What were angels? what about prayer? why was Paul trying to get to Cesar? What about the disciples? What did they get wrong? What about this speaking in tongues? Why does it have a cloven tongue (serpent)? Why does it sit on instead of being invited through the front door? When Jesus commanded the disciples to remain in Jerusalem, why did they go to Bethel? Just because Jesus lead(went before) doesn't mean he changed his command. God provided the answers to all these questions for me. So I don't look for bullet point responses. I've got enough pentecostals in my own family who call me satan when I question their "spirit"(I fully believe it is supernatural and from God; but God also gave Saul a supernatural spirit of confusion). So eventually you realize you can't just "believe all scripture". You actually have to discern (make a decision) about angels and spirits.

So you like Gabriel. There is an angel of death. When you get to revelation, how do you know which one you've got? The polls have your opinion in favor. The churches have you in favor.

The amazing thing about believing God's times can be known is that God constantly puts me in check. Times come and go. But I'm in a position that I can't "dabble" in religion. The difficult questions have to have an answer from God. My prophecy comes from the wedding at Cana, the story of Lazarus, John 21, a temple built in 46 years and rebuilt after 3 more days, the amount of pitch on the inside and outside of the ark, the wedding of Jacob, the feast and famine years of Joseph, The time of fruit, the second Passover, the crowning of adonijah early before Solomon, the amount of Gold brought to Solomon, the cleansing of the temple and nehushtan by Hezekiah, the dedication of the temple by Solomon…all of these events pointing to the same day!

Matthew 25:14 would be a scripture that I would paste. The journey is by oneself; I have to trust God for the answers (and not delivered by angels).
Peter Lindner

Douggg · Jul 22, 2016

peterlindner said:
My faith came from God, the source. I had to throw out what was fed to me from pastors (paste-ers). I had to question all things that had come from family, religion, and other people's spiritual bowels. I realized that God could reach people directly (Abraham, Moses, Samuel,David, and Jesus). So in my re-boot I asked questions of God; then I read scripture and waited for his answer. I didn't look for popular or traditional answers. What were angels? what about prayer? why was Paul trying to get to Cesar? What about the disciples? What did they get wrong? What about this speaking in tongues? Why does it have a cloven tongue (serpent)? Why does it sit on instead of being invited through the front door? When Jesus commanded the disciples to remain in Jerusalem, why did they go to Bethel? Just because Jesus lead(went before) doesn't mean he changed his command. God provided the answers to all these questions for me. So I don't look for bullet point responses. I've got enough pentecostals in my own family who call me satan when I question their "spirit"(I fully believe it is supernatural and from God; but God also gave Saul a supernatural spirit of confusion). So eventually you realize you can't just "believe all scripture". You actually have to discern (make a decision) about angels and spirits.

So you like Gabriel. There is an angel of death. When you get to revelation, how do you know which one you've got? The polls have your opinion in favor. The churches have you in favor.

The amazing thing about believing God's times can be known is that God constantly puts me in check. Times come and go. But I'm in a position that I can't "dabble" in religion. The difficult questions have to have an answer from God. My prophecy comes from the wedding at Cana, the story of Lazarus, John 21, a temple built in 46 years and rebuilt after 3 more days, the amount of pitch on the inside and outside of the ark, the wedding of Jacob, the feast and famine years of Joseph, The time of fruit, the second Passover, the crowning of adonijah early before Solomon, the amount of Gold brought to Solomon, the cleansing of the temple and nehushtan by Hezekiah, the dedication of the temple by Solomon…all of these events pointing to the same day!

Matthew 25:14 would be a scripture that I would paste. The journey is by oneself; I have to trust God for the answers (and not delivered by angels).
Peter Lindner

Angels delivered messages to different individuals in the old testament, and in some cases in the new testament like the angel appearing to Mary that she would give birth to the messiah (paraphrased).

But I would say that the person we, as Christians, rely upon is the Holy Spirit to lead us into the truth, which is far better than relying upon an angel.

Douggg · Jul 22, 2016

peterlindner said:
I don't listen to angels and their prophecies(book of Revelation, Daniel after he starts listening to angels). God showed that he could reach man directly and gave examples of not listening to angels. The bible speaks of an angel of death. How do you know which camp your angel is in? If they have white robes are they good angels? Bronze feet? Rainbow(lots of different rainbow messages today)? Saul had a spirit of confusion. So are all spirits from God the "good ones"? If someone gets a spirit with a cloven tongue is it "good"? What about if the spirit has power? Pharoh's rod turned into a snake.

By Christ-follower if you mean disciple like(pooling their money just in case God didn't work out for them, keeping an extra coat, etc); then that is not what I would want to do. But Peter shook off that label when he jumped into the water when he heard that Jesus was on the shore.

If you don't believe that the books of Revelation and Daniel are valid - you are in the wrong forum. This forum is not about putting doubts into people's minds. If you have doubts, then that is your choice of course, but not for discussion in this particular forum.

You need to go to a discussion forum on the validity of the bible.

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peterlindner · Jul 31, 2016

To the poster behind username

ouggg
I believe the whole bible is valid. It is a love letter from God. God teaches. God disciplines.
"putting doubts in people's minds"… I don't believe I'll change anyone's mind. But isn't that what discussion is about?
So…there is an angel of death. How do you know which angel is speaking in Daniel and Revelations?
If God spoke directly to Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus…was he tired, lazy, sleeping, when angels delivered a message?
I don't challenge the "validity" of Saul. He was given a spirit from God. (However, even though this spirit was from God, and supernatural, it was a spirit of CONFUSION). So how do you know which spirit was given throughout the bible? It's worth double checking.
So do you like discussion; or are you in charge of protecting your lambs when you tell me to go somewhere else?

Straightshot · Jul 31, 2016

"How do you know which angel is speaking in Daniel"

Read Daniel 9:21-23 and tell the forum

The Lord uses His angels and His prophets to reveal truth ..... and you ignore this .... why?

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