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1,656 units of time. Noah went into the ark for just over a year (10 unit remainder). Noah lived another remainder of 350 units. 1,656+350+10= 2,016.

When you plan a wedding, you take the number of guests into account(must have enough to drink). "2 or 3 firkins" translates to 144. A firkin is 72 pints. If you transferred that into larger containers (sextarius from Mark) you would fill 48 (3x48=2x72). From Jacob's weddings, Solomon's dedication, and Hezekiah's dedication we know the time for the feast is 7+7=14 days.

14x144=2,016

Perhaps you like it presented another way…
The time of fruit is after 4 years…1,440
You first fruits (tithe) is 10% or 144
Your first fruits feast is 7 and 7
 

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There is a lot of things like this out of scripture, though.

Also, pulling 2016 out of the Bible doesn't mean much from what I have understood.

2016 is on a modern Roman-based Calendar, and has nothing to do with the calendar God uses for timing things.

To me it makes more sense to go to Israel's modern dates and use a Hebrew calendar to time things off of it. They receive a 1948 deliverance, and then another deliverance in 1967, each with blood moons around those events. That puts a point to synch the modern calendar, if someone knew enough.
 
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Here is the key measurement for understanding the visions of the prophets [Daniel 9:24-27; 12; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

This time frame is valued at a 360 day year and a 30 month

The 70 weeks of years are based upon the Jewish heptad .... one week equal to 7 years

So there are 490 prophetic years in the scope of the visions from the return to build Jerusalem [the release of the Jews from the Babylonian/Persian captivity 457 BC] of which 483 years transpired at the Lord's cutting off ending the 69th week

Then the prophets go silent and the balance of unfulfilled prophecy is still pending at this time

.... there is nothing in the scope of events upon the earth until the beginning of the 70th week of 7 years [1260 days + 1260 days] and beyond

This time frame of 2520 days + 30 days will culminate at the ending of the battle of Armageddon for a total of 2550 days .... and then the Lord will appear upon the earth

The last 2000 years or so from the ending of the 69th week is an open ended time lapse of the Lord's dispensation of grace in which there are no prophetic events recorded

Once this period is closed, the 70th week decreed for Israel will begin .... the time of Jacob's trouble .... same as the day of Lord and His unprecedented judgment of the tribulation upon an unbelieving world

The dating of this beginning has not been revealed in scripture
 
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Then the prophets go silent and the balance of unfulfilled prophecy is still pending at this time .... there is nothing in the scope of events upon the earth until the beginning of the 70th week of 7 years [1260 days + 1260 days] and beyond

I understand what you're saying, but you can actually find a few things through types and shadows. These are some fun ones I learned, maybe you will appreciate them! :)

So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. - John 4:40

Two days = 2,000 years by one way of considering it. Samaritans being a type of non-Jewish peoples, symbolically representing the Gentile nations. Christ had left Jerusalem before this which had rejected him. Then he goes to the Gentiles (Samaritans) 2 days, and then returns to the Jews at Bethlehem, a picture of humble Judaism.

Luke 10:35 - The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

Matthew 20:2 - He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

2 denarius = 2 days wages... Christ is "neighbor" who comes and assists the man on the road, and then he says he "will return"

Concerning the ministry of the church itself, and prophecy about us, I have found:

The glory of this present house will be greater than the glory of the former house,' says the LORD Almighty. 'And in this place I will grant peace,' declares the LORD Almighty." - Haggai 2:9

We are God's temple on Earth. Through a type and a shadow, the glory of the later church exceeds the glory of the former church.

Be glad, people of Zion, rejoice in the LORD your God, for he has given you the autumn rains because he is faithful. He sends you abundant showers, both autumn and spring rains, as before. - Joel 2:23

People of Zion is a type in which the church is included (Hebrews 12:22). Today, it really only references the church and no one else to my knowledge. Back in Joel, it would have applied to Israel, but Mt. Zion was lost to those Jews who rejected Christ.

So the promise for the rains of the church age then, are a former rain, and a later rain. The Holy Spirit represented by rain.

Then also Esther's prophecy had an impact on WWII somehow, the day they hung 10 generals of Hitler, just like they hung the 10 sons of Haman. And the dates could even be tied out from those verses:

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Bible-Code-Ten-Sons-Haman

The dating of this beginning has not been revealed in scripture

I believe it is in scripture, but I do not believe anyone knows it yet.

Just last week I learned something from the scriptures that no one has ever taught on before, and I never heard it anywhere. Gospel of Jesus Christ revealed from Genesis 1 before man was made. The Bible is chalk full of things people are ignorant of!

I believe if people knew the symbolism perfectly, all the types and shadows, and they had a way to arrive at accurate star dating to align with scripture, they could predict it according to scripture the same way the wise men knew the birth timing of Christ upon his first arrival.

But think of this... of all the wise men of the world, only 3 knew and went to Bethlehem and found it. So God's truth is like this. Some may know from scripture, but few if any.
 
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I have discovered that if one sticks with the documented scope of the prophets that the framework of the 70 weeks of years reveals much truth

And at the same time this view prohibits much of the speculation and even false doctrines of the divides of professing Christianity

If the prophets do not see it .... it is simply not there and any man made insertions are not reliable

One primary example is the popular teaching that ancient Rome is seen in the visions of the prophets .... it is not .... a matter of recorded history .... obviously yes

The legs of iron on the image were not and will not be the vestiges of ancient Rome

Here is why

The two bronze thighs of the image in Daniel 2 were the divides of Alexander's Asian holdings, one north and one south of Israel in the Middle East .... the Seleucid north, and the Ptolemaic south [Egypt] [Daniel 11:3-35] .... these two kingdoms were rivals

The last king of the north was Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35] just before the first century .... the next and future king of the north yet to arise is here [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7] ... the Assyrian of Micah 5:5-6

This king is the one that some call the "antichrist" and he has a rival kingdom in the south just as the setting was before the first century [Daniel 11:40; 42]

These two future kingdoms are obviously not a revived Roman EU as many teach

So the two iron legs are not Rome, but two Middle Eastern kingdoms

We have this stage setting up as we speak .... the north is divided at this time [Syria/Turkey/Iraq/Iran], but it is this region that will produce the little horn and king of the north .... and He will confederate all of the Middle East including Egypt into his Islamic kingdom that will include 10 appointed kings of his choosing

.... Egypt is already politically positioned against the radical Muslims of the north
 
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But think of this... of all the wise men of the world, only 3 knew and went to Bethlehem and found it. So God's truth is like this. Some may know from scripture, but few if any.

Where in scripture does it say only three wise men knew and went to Bethlehem and found it? :scratch:
 
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... But think of this... of all the wise men of the world, only 3 knew and went to Bethlehem and found it. So God's truth is like this. Some may know from scripture, but few if any.

Where are the bible verses which say there were only three wise men who visited Jesus in Jerusalem? There are three gifts, yes, but it says nothing about "three" kings or wise men.

The "three kings/wisemen" are tradition only and in no way biblical fact. The bible is silent on how many visited Jesus as a baby. There could have been 100 wise men who brought their own portions of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. An untold number could have pooled their resources and brought what they had left after their journey to Israel. We don't know. Please don't replace biblical fact with human tradition. Not a good idea, for anyone.
 
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1,656 units of time. Noah went into the ark for just over a year (10 unit remainder). Noah lived another remainder of 350 units. 1,656+350+10= 2,016.

When you plan a wedding, you take the number of guests into account(must have enough to drink). "2 or 3 firkins" translates to 144. A firkin is 72 pints. If you transferred that into larger containers (sextarius from Mark) you would fill 48 (3x48=2x72). From Jacob's weddings, Solomon's dedication, and Hezekiah's dedication we know the time for the feast is 7+7=14 days.

14x144=2,016

Perhaps you like it presented another way…
The time of fruit is after 4 years…1,440
You first fruits (tithe) is 10% or 144
Your first fruits feast is 7 and 7

I love numbers, but I don't see any significance in these.

I think Jesus' point is clear about His appearing being like the days of Noah. You don't have to do any calculations.

Matthew 24:37-41
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

As you can see, Jesus' main point is about people being "taken" as the wicked were taken in the flood (that is, they died because of God's judgment). In Luke, Jesus uses the word "destroyed" instead of taken, but taken shows up later in the passage.

Luke 17:26-37
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”
37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”
So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

The wicked are taken / destroyed (die) when Jesus appears, and vultures eat their bodies.

This is stated also in Revelation 19.

Revelation 19:17-18, 21
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

When Jesus contrasted the false returns with His true return in Matthew 24:23-28, this is one of His points (people will die and vultures will eat their bodies):

Matthew 24:28
28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Jesus' other mark of His true return in contrast to the false ones is that it will be like lighting that comes from the east to the west - that is, everyone can see it (Matthew 24:27, Luke 17:24).
 
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Where are the bible verses which say there were only three wise men who visited Jesus in Jerusalem? There are three gifts, yes, but it says nothing about "three" kings or wise men.

Good point.

I would still want to study it out, though. Sometimes things are learned from scripture through better interpretations that people often do not use. "Why face the church to the East?" "Why worship God on Sunday, the day of the Sun?" Bible has reasons why you might do these things from Biblical substantiated reasons. So while I think you may be totally right and it's tradition, a lot of traditions I have found to actually be hidden in the Bible as truths when we study it out.

3 is very important for a lot of reasons in scripture. Furthermore, church tradition names these 3 wise men:
- Balthasar
- Caspar
- Melchior
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

Says the EO lists them as 12, though, which is substantial.

And I'm saying this as a full gospel protestant basically, just I have found the scoffing, "Oh that's just tradition!" To be wrong in several instances.
 
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"As you can see, Jesus' main point is about people being "taken" as the wicked were taken in the flood (that is, they died because of God's judgment). In Luke, Jesus uses the word "destroyed" instead of taken, but taken shows up later in the passage"


This rendering above is correct

The Lord is speaking specifically to Israel in this case and tells that 2/3 of the nation will be taken in judgment during the time of Jacob's trouble because they will not turn to Him .... the balance will, and these will be left on the earth as mortals to enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Ezekiel 20:33-44; Zechariah 13:8-9; Matthew 24:29-31]
 
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Good point.

I would still want to study it out, though. Sometimes things are learned from scripture through better interpretations that people often do not use. "Why face the church to the East?" "Why worship God on Sunday, the day of the Sun?" Bible has reasons why you might do these things from Biblical substantiated reasons. So while I think you may be totally right and it's tradition, a lot of traditions I have found to actually be hidden in the Bible as truths when we study it out.

3 is very important for a lot of reasons in scripture. Furthermore, church tradition names these 3 wise men:
- Balthasar
- Caspar
- Melchior
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

Says the EO lists them as 12, though, which is substantial.

And I'm saying this as a full gospel protestant basically, just I have found the scoffing, "Oh that's just tradition!" To be wrong in several instances.
I can see your point, but the fact also remains that "tradition" is still... tradition. Many traditions are based in biblical fact, but some are totally not, and some partially are. Some partial ones are more dangerous than others. That is why its so critical to study God's Word through the Holy Spirit for yourself, with other bible-based believers, and keep the larger picture firmly in mind so non-Christian religions don't envelop you unawares.

The "Catholic church" tradition names the "three wise men", yet even they will tell you not all their traditions are based completely upon biblical fact. I'm sure you are aware that not everyone believes/accepts the Catholic church's traditions.
 
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"As you can see, Jesus' main point is about people being "taken" as the wicked were taken in the flood (that is, they died because of God's judgment). In Luke, Jesus uses the word "destroyed" instead of taken, but taken shows up later in the passage"


This rendering above is correct

The Lord is speaking specifically to Israel in this case and tells that 2/3 of the nation will be taken in judgment during the time of Jacob's trouble because they will not turn to Him .... the balance will, and these will be left on the earth as mortals to enter and populate His coming millennial kingdom [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Ezekiel 20:33-44; Zechariah 13:8-9; Matthew 24:29-31]

Zechariah 13:8-9 says 2/3 of the Jews will die and the 1/3 will be refined, but Jesus' statements about His appearing being like the days of Noah in Matthew 24 and Luke 17 don't refer to Jews, Gentiles, or percentages - just people in general, and specifically, the wicked.
 
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My comment to the above

I believe that the Lord is speaking specifically about Israel and to the members of the nation in [Matthew 24; Luke 21:20-36; Acts:1-6] .... those that asked were all of Israel .... and the locations defined are obviously in Israel

He spoke to them as members of the nation and its destiny [this is what they wanted to know], but not revealing the dating of the time still to come even as we speak .... which He has revealed to no one .... the time of Jacob's trouble is still pending

It is true that this 70th week decreed for Israel will also include His judgment of the tribulation upon the unbelieving nations at the same time

So He is looking longer to the time of the end of this present dispensation of His grace and not the Roman incursions in 70 AD

He does specifically point out the fate of His apostles in their day and then continues on with His longer view [Luke 21:12] .... "before all of these things" .... the things "hereafter" .... the beginning of the coming tribulation and beyond [Revelation 1:19; 4;1]
 
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I love numbers, but I don't see any significance in these.



Matthew 24:37-41
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39
(Matthew 24:27, Luke 17:24).

Noah…animals 2 of each. ("Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female" THAT'S 7+7=14). This is a wedding pattern (Jacob)…in Matthew the 2 become 1.

Just as Noah would have counted the days in the Ark; the pattern for the wedding feast is known. The days before the Flood are known (1,656 years). The days from entering the Ark to the end of the wedding feast are 1,656 plus one more gold allowance.

The wedding feast is Av 15 plus 13 more days…or 2nd Passover (Iyyar 17) plus 49+50=99 days
 
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Noah…animals 2 of each. ("Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female" THAT'S 7+7=14). This is a wedding pattern (Jacob)…in Matthew the 2 become 1.

Just as Noah would have counted the days in the Ark; the pattern for the wedding feast is known. The days before the Flood are known (1,656 years). The days from entering the Ark to the end of the wedding feast are 1,656 plus one more gold allowance.

The wedding feast is Av 15 plus 13 more days…or 2nd Passover (Iyyar 17) plus 49+50=99 days

If anything, I would consider this to be an "authentication" of types for the Scriptures. We see a similar pattern in Revelation 4 :
4 living creatures each having 6 wings. 4 x 6 = 24 wings total.
24 elders before the throne, may be the 12 patriarchs of the tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles...

Beyond that, I wouldn't rely on it for any kind of date settings and such as to when this or that may or may not occur. "As it was in the days of Noah..., etc." is just saying that all of the unrestrained nonsense, violence, and debauchery that was going on in his day is going to be prevalent at the time all hell breaks loose at the 2nd half of the tribulation.
 
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Where in scripture does it say only three wise men knew and went to Bethlehem and found it? :scratch:
It is inferred from the three gifts. Since each of the gifts was a very valuable one, it would seem that there were three wise men for three gifts. Nothing to quibble over. And almost every artist came to this conclusion.
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Noah…animals 2 of each. ("Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female" THAT'S 7+7=14). This is a wedding pattern (Jacob)…in Matthew the 2 become 1.

Just as Noah would have counted the days in the Ark; the pattern for the wedding feast is known. The days before the Flood are known (1,656 years). The days from entering the Ark to the end of the wedding feast are 1,656 plus one more gold allowance.

The wedding feast is Av 15 plus 13 more days…or 2nd Passover (Iyyar 17) plus 49+50=99 days

The emphasis is on the taken, that is, the death of the wicked. This is clear if you take it in context. You are emphasizing the wrong part of Scripture and adding all kinds of crazy numbers. Why are you doing this?

Also I see you added boldness to my point which I didn't put. That's misquoting me.
 
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"As it was in the days of Noah..., etc." is just saying that all of the unrestrained nonsense, violence, and debauchery that was going on in his day is going to be prevalent at the time all hell breaks loose at the 2nd half of the tribulation.

That isn't the point either. The point is about the death of wicked people.
 
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The point for me is about God's time put into his word. The time was not for Thomas and other disobedient disciples to know. The time may not be for you to know either. If the point for you is to focus on the death of wicked people, then your time is always ready. God's love letter contains numbers and units and are converted with math.
Who..God
Why…because He is Good
What…greater than we can imagine
Where…here on earth
When…this is the treasure hidden in the field

"And then they wanted to stone Him"
 
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The point for me is about God's time put into his word. The time was not for Thomas and other disobedient disciples to know. The time may not be for you to know either. If the point for you is to focus on the death of wicked people, then your time is always ready. God's love letter contains numbers and units and are converted with math.
Who..God
Why…because He is Good
What…greater than we can imagine
Where…here on earth
When…this is the treasure hidden in the field

"And then they wanted to stone Him"

The death of the wicked comes when He returns (Revelation 19:21) after the Tribulation.
It's very simple.

What you are describing sounds like numerology which I don't think is right for a Christ-follower.
 
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