Why is Jesus the ????

bbbbbbb · Jul 13, 2015

Elder 111 said:
Well there is none of that exact context. So I keep my view unless you are going to insist and prove that God allowed His creation to lie steal kill and commit adultery. That Joseph could have slept with his master's wife and God would not have objected. That God only made up His mind about the Ten commandments after Moses came on the scene, maybe it was Moses that called for those laws. That stealing was only a sin after Sinai.Let us hear you on this matter.

So, please show use where God forbade polygamy and slavery after the Fall. Thank you.

I do appreciate your admittance that God did not explicitly reveal the Ten Commandments to Adam and Eve, nor was it recorded as such in the Bible. What you are going on is natural revelation, which is speculative theology.

Lulav · Jul 13, 2015

bbbbbbb said:
I have the feeling that you must have a different Bible than mine. I have looked long and hard to see where God said to Adam and Eve, "Hear, O Adam and Eve, the Lord your God is one God . . ." If you could give me chapter and verses where God explicitly stated the Ten Commandments to Adam and Eve I will be grateful.

Thank you.

That is about one of the rudest and most insensitive and blasphemous posts I've ever read on here and that's saying a lot.

You are mocking what is the principal and most elementary commandments regarding the G-d of the Jews, including Jesus, so you are mocking him as well.

The 'Shema' is the first prayer a Jewish child learns and it is the last words on their dying lips.

When asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus did not quote from Exodus 20, but rather from Deuteronomy 6.

So this is what you are mocking.

Frogster · Jul 13, 2015

Lulav said:
That is about one of the rudest and most insensitive and blasphemous posts I've ever read on here and that's saying a lot.

You are mocking what is the principal and most elementary commandments regarding the G-d of the Jews, including Jesus, so you are mocking him as well.

The 'Shema' is the first prayer a Jewish child learns and it is the last words on their dying lips.

When asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus did not quote from Exodus 20, but rather from Deuteronomy 6.

So this is what you are mocking.

the red above, aren't you being a bit drastic? Debate our bro on the merit, this type of reply does nothing.

Lulav · Jul 13, 2015

Frogster said:
the red above, aren't you being a bit drastic? Debate our bro on the merit, this type of reply does nothing.

I will stand and defend my G-d, and in Turn I hope saving some from breaking the first commandment,which I know you don't believe is in effect but that would lead others astray.

Lulav · Jul 13, 2015

Frogster said:
the red above, aren't you being a bit drastic? Debate our bro on the merit, this type of reply does nothing.

Are you defending mocking G-d?

Frogster · Jul 13, 2015

Elder 111 said:
Interesting that you should say that. For I take it that you did not see the "expanding revelation" in the respect that all that occurs was not written done all at once, but that which was revealed as time progress showed also that which was always part of the will and law of God. It must be if He is to be rightfully understood as the same yesterday today and forever.
Unless you will promote the idea that God never objected to Adam and others worshiping other gods until Sinai, and at that only of the Jews.
Should we understand that because there was no record of "thou shall not kill" before Sinai that Cain had no sin in killing Abel? Come on speak up! Is our God "evil" that He should charge a man with something that God never made him aware of?
That "thou should not commit adultery" was not known but yet Pharaoh new that it was evil to have Abraham's with? THe whole idea has not foundation and discredits God.

you did not answer the simple question, where does it say all of this in Gen 2?

Elder 111 · Jul 14, 2015

bbbbbbb said:
So, please show use where God forbade polygamy and slavery after the Fall. Thank you.

I do appreciate your admittance that God did not explicitly reveal the Ten Commandments to Adam and Eve, nor was it recorded as such in the Bible. What you are going on is natural revelation, which is speculative theology.

Now we have that God made one woman for one man and you would imply that God had no objection against polygamy? Your are kidding!
The whole point is that God does not change. So how He was is how He is and How He is, is how He was. Do you dispute that? That is not a speculation that is a fact!

Elder 111 · Jul 14, 2015

Frogster said:
you did not answer the simple question, where does it say all of this in Gen 2?

Thank you for demonstrating that I am correct, as you are unable to address the fact that God would not have had Adam to sin in violating any of the Ten Commandments. In doing so you also demonstrate that the same ten commandments had to be in place from the being. The fact that god charge Cain with murder speaks volumes to that fact also.
If you are going to maintain an argument that because the ten was not mentioned in Genesis it was not required of God then we must also argue that Jesus did not exist until we hear of Him later in the bible. Do you accept that?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 16, 2016

listed said:
Where does the Scripture say Adam and Eve had the Ten Commandments? Moses says they did not. Deut 5:3

When you (or anyone) were 2 years old, did your parents give you a list written down for you to remember, meditate upon every day frequently, and obey ?

Elder 111 said:
Tradition is greater than God's commandments. The majority must be right. Sunday must be the "new sabbath".
All the while Satan get his own way in negating God's holy law.

Well, that's old news now.... stay tuned for the new eye opening, heart regenerating, life changing revelation direct from the universe-filling, life giving, planet and star destroying , sovereign KING HIMSELF....

bbbbbbb said:
Exactly where does it state that the complete Ten Commandments were explicitly stated to Adam and Eve?

Why would the Creator, Who walked with Adam and Havah in the Garden of Eden every day and talked with them IN PERSON,
give them ten commandments after giving them one commandment to keep ?

bbbbbbb said:
Interesting. That is a commandment that is certainly not in the Ten (nor in the other 603) so I suppose it must not apply to Israel.

(I'm not sure Yhwh called it a commandment) But It most certainly did apply, and they honored it thoroughly (and might yet, though I never saw that 'yet').
You must remember, who did Yhwh tell it too,
and who were the children of Israel children of ?

bugkiller · Jul 16, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
When you (or anyone) were 2 years old, did your parents give you a list written down for you to remember, meditate upon every day frequently, and obey ?

Well, that's old news now.... stay tuned for the new eye opening, heart regenerating, life changing revelation direct from the universe-filling, life giving, planet and star destroying , sovereign KING HIMSELF....

Why would the Creator, Who walked with Adam and Havah in the Garden of Eden every day and talked with them IN PERSON,
give them ten commandments after giving them one commandment to keep ?

(I'm not sure Yhwh called it a commandment) But It most certainly did apply, and they honored it thoroughly (and might yet, though I never saw that 'yet').
You must remember, who did Yhwh tell it too,
and who were the children of Israel children of ?

What a hodge-podge post.

What does being a 2 year old have to do with Listed's question? Adam and Eve were created as adults.

bugkiller

Travis93 · Jul 16, 2016

Elder 111 said:
Now we have that God made one woman for one man and you would imply that God had no objection against polygamy? Your are kidding!
The whole point is that God does not change. So how He was is how He is and How He is, is how He was. Do you dispute that? That is not a speculation that is a fact!

Another point is that the first recorded polygamist was Lamech of the ungodly line of Cain (Genesis 4:19-24) who was yet another murderer and made a prideful boast about it to his two wives. Who wants to follow that example?

bbbbbbb · Jul 16, 2016

Travis93 said:
Another point is that the first recorded polygamist was Lamech of the ungodly line of Cain (Genesis 4:19-24) who was yet another murderer and made a prideful boast about it to his two wives. Who wants to follow that example?

Ummm, the man after God's own heart, David, or the friend of God, Abraham.

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