What is 'disordered love'?

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Inspired by a Bible study thread David started in TLT.

Many speak of God as love. Christianity being fueled by love. The two greatest commandments are to love God first and your neighbor as yourself. All of the commandments are fulfilled in the two.

But love means many things to many people. What does loving God and neighbor mean in the Christian sense?

And what is disordered love in the Christian sense?
 

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Seeking what's best for your beloved, not seeking yourself. Read what is it? Corinthians? What ever Paul said.
I'm familiar with first Corinthians 13 but what the world considers love and the Christian perspective of love is two different things. I'm trying to decipher the differences between secular love and Christian love.
 
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I'm familiar with first Corinthians 13 but what the world considers love and the Christian perspective of love is two different things. I'm trying to decipher the differences between secular love and Christian love.
that's easy.
secular love is that which says: "I am loveable. Therefore everyone must love me."
and "Anyone who doesn't love me is a bad person."

essentially it's a 2 year olds viewpoint of the world that has never grown past that reasoning.
 
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In short disordered replaces God with self, or with justifying pleasure or a limited human happiness as the highest moral choice; or as a valid choice because someone is "happy"
 
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Loving someone is desiring, that through the grace given by God, they attain Heaven. And it is doing everything you can to help them achieve it.

Love is disordered when it point towards self or the things of this world.

Lord help me, I am failing big time.
 
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that's easy.
secular love is that which says: "I am loveable. Therefore everyone must love me."
and "Anyone who doesn't love me is a bad person."

essentially it's a 2 year olds viewpoint of the world that has never grown past that reasoning.

I think pdudgeon is on point with this response. The secular concept of love - which we can say is disordered - is fundamentally based on the concept that love is synonymous with acceptance: acceptance of any and all poor behaviours and life choices, and an affirmation that those behaviours and choices are good or beneficial in some way. And, as pdudgeon said, if someone does not accept these things, this means that someone does not love the person who engages in those behaviours/choices.

It is a very, very basic view of love, and it is very disordered. It is self-centred and based on affirming the bad and immoral as good. In this view, disagreeing with immoral behaviours and choices is un-loving, and it makes you a bad person.

I find this concept incredibly troubling, partly because it is very foreign to my own experience of loving others. I love my family, for example, but they have made poor moral choices and have engaged in harmful behaviours. When I spoke up against this, it was precisely because I love them that I needed to tell them that such behaviour is actually detrimental to their being. And even despite our moral disagreement, I did not stop (have not stopped) loving them.

However, the notion that you have to fully accept and affirm as good poor behaviours in order to love someone is very widespread and I see it every day. I think it is born of a very fundamental desire to be loved, but it finds its expression in a very immature, child-like emotional need that hasn't evolved - and who knows why? Maybe people are not very introspective, maybe they do not make it a priority to work on their interior life, maybe they do not make time for self-reflection and maybe they are just not self-aware.
 
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Interesting topic. I think of the "control freak" parent as an example of disordered love. The one who has to interfere with every thing the child does. I remember a colleague from a work place. She was a single mother. Very caring. But she took it to extremes. She would interrogate her child when she came home from school about what they did, which friends she hung out with. Then she would research all her friends to make sure they were "OK". She could recount all her daughter's activities for the day in detail. Instead of big brother, it was "big mother". I felt sorry for the child.
 
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Tend to agree. Lust is very self-centred. Animalistic. Love is on a higher level. You only wish goodwill for another person. You don't want to control them, in order to satisfy your own needs.
 
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In Mother Angelica's book I read 20 years ago, Answers, not Promises, she mentioned control freak mothers and the like. She said its a form of pride. Not accepting your children for who they are and trying to mold them. Also, Dr. Phil always says on his show to parents of grown children who need to be kicked out, that they don't do what's best for their grown kid because they don't want to worry and stress what's going to happen to them if they get put out. He says its selfish because the parents aren't doing what's best for the child but what's best for them.
 
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Interesting topic. I think of the "control freak" parent as an example of disordered love. The one who has to interfere with every thing the child does. I remember a colleague from a work place. She was a single mother. Very caring. But she took it to extremes. She would interrogate her child when she came home from school about what they did, which friends she hung out with. Then she would research all her friends to make sure they were "OK". She could recount all her daughter's activities for the day in detail. Instead of big brother, it was "big mother". I felt sorry for the child.
We also have parents who are too lenient and that's just as disordered because its coming from a place of fear, pride, want to be the kids best friend, etc. Not from a place of wanting what's best for the child.
 
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It is more than just lust.
Well, yeah depending on the context of the relationship. All the 7 deadly sins are what drives us. When speaking of how people are choosing a mate, lust is usually what people look for first. Infatuation is next and then they try to build a relationship on that.
 
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We also have parents who are too lenient and that's just as disordered
Neglect. Not showing interest in the child. Avoidance of conflict. Trying to please them.
Couldn't agree more.
 
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