Our lives matter.

rjs330 said:

I think the issue you may be missing is that Air does not consider himself racist. Therefore his Our lives matter cannot be a racist F U to the black folks because he's not racist.

Whereas the All lives matter thing that some folks like are racist because the people that day it are racist.

Air is judging people's motives. Since he knows his motives a good it's not racist. Then he goes on to judge others motives without a clue as to the hearts of the people who believe all live matter. Its the typical "my motives are pure, yours are not" syndrome.

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I suspect this is precisely what is going on here.

By they way, we all call into this often enough. We all,love to think of ourselves as good people and therefore have the purest of motives. Since I am good and you disagree with me therefore you are bad.

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I suppose. I've seen far more non-BLM people being open to disagreement than I have BLM supporters, having said that.

I applaud Air OP. We do need to,do a better job of walking in in each other's shoes.

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I agree, which is why a bit more open-mindedness among some here as to why that sort of OP grates would be welcome.

It's the exact same thing many people critical of BLM have been saying all along. But that was racist because it was being pushed forward by icky racist non-BLM people. Now it's being pushed by pro-BLM people, it's as pure as the driven snow and there was never any hypocrisy to speak of. It's totally different, you guys. Even though no such difference has been demonstrated.

And you know what galls the most?

What's caused the change in tune? A racist cop-killing spree.

Maybe if the pro-BLM crowd hadn't been so sniffy of an "everyone's lives matter" sentiment beforehand and weren't so quick to dismiss cop-killer sentiment in their own ranks, those cops might still be alive?

God bless us, ev'ry one

'tis true, there are many many hurting, and we ALL need hugs. And we need threads like this one (((hug)))

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thatbrian said:

Here we go again. . .

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LOL!

yu don't likes hugz?

Gadarene said:

No, it isn't. It's exactly the flaw in the statement you made. Are the ALM types who went around defacing posters representative? (First I've heard of them). How is that any different to how BLM is (apparently not to be) treated?

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Errr... I responded to this in my last post. I don't know how I can be more clear.

Gadarene said:

More like demonstrated your lack of thinking skills.

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That must be it.

Gadarene said:

The end is not the issue. It's the means of getting to that end and often the framing of the problem that is the issue.

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This is definitely true. But I'd direct it at the ALM supporters.

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thatbrian said:

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LOL!

ok, i hears ya'

brinny said:

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No hippie patchouli required...he he

HerbieHeadley said:

No hippie patchouli required...he he

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The Cadet said:

So when a black man goes hunting for housing and is not shown the best houses on offer because of his race, then goes to a bank and is not offered a mortgage because of his race, and then is stopped by a cop who thought he looked "suspicious" because of the color of his skin, none of this points to victimization? Maybe I don't understand your argument, but racism isn't something that only affects you if you let it. Racism affects you whether you want it to or not.

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I was just house hunting two years ago. We actually found our house on zillow, and our agent; also a church member, helped us purchase it. Mortgages are offered based on credit rating, income to debt ratio, and the market, not race. No, none of it points to victimization, and even if it were all true, as you said, it would only point to discrimination. To be a victim you must accept that you are one. I choose not to be. Sure, racism is an obstacle, but not one a person cannot overcome. Being discriminated against? Find the next opportunity instead of submitting to defeat.

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Race is a social construct. That doesn't make it not a thing, though. Just because it's not genetic doesn't make it not real. The fact is that if your skin is black, you're extremely likely to face racial discrimination in this country.

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The fact that my skin is white makes it extremely likely I will face racial discrimination as well. I don't let it bother me, because I will myself to see past it. If you're going to discriminate against me because of my skin color, but if I will continue to treat you will respect because you are a human being just like me who is in the wrong?

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But by rejecting the experience of all those who claim to have experienced racism, you already have marginalized them - you've marginalized them even further than the actual racists had previously done.

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Then, by the same logic, I marginalize myself as well. We experience racism from individuals, not the entire race [overgeneralization] that we want them to represent. See the difference?

98cwitr said:

I was just house hunting two years ago. We actually found our house on zillow, and our agent; also a church member, helped us purchase it. Mortgages are offered based on credit rating, income to debt ratio, and the market, not race. No, none of it points to victimization, and even if it were all true, as you said, it would only point to discrimination. To be a victim you must accept that you are one. I choose not to be. Sure, racism is an obstacle, but not one a person cannot overcome. Being discriminated against? Find the next opportunity instead of submitting to defeat.



The fact that my skin is white makes it extremely likely I will face racial discrimination as well. I don't let it bother me, because I will myself to see past it. If you're going to discriminate against me because of my skin color, but I will continue to treat you will respect because you are a human being just like me who is in the wrong?



Then, by the same logic, I marginalize myself as well.

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Great post.

As a white, Christian, American, male, and profit-making business owner, I am one of the most hated people on the planet, but I'm not going to make any picket signs or whine about how people judge me unfairly. Rather, I will live my life and accomplish my goals in spite of haters. Why would I let other people's opinions control me? Should I let my life stagnate to spite them?

I'm a white Christian male, too. But I'm not a business owner. So I'm not especially hated. Tell me more about your struggles with the police, or how you get followed around in stores to make sure you aren't stealing stuff.

98cwitr said:

Mortgages are offered based on credit rating, income to debt ratio, and the market, not race.

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Click through to the link and you will in fact see that these banks settled on the claim that they were in fact discriminating based on skin color. Mortgages very much were offered on the basis of race.

98cwitr said:

The fact that my skin is white makes it extremely likely I will face racial discrimination as well.

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Really? Howso?

Gadarene said:

What's caused the change in tune? A racist cop-killing spree.

Maybe if the pro-BLM crowd hadn't been so sniffy of an "everyone's lives matter" sentiment beforehand and weren't so quick to dismiss cop-killer sentiment in their own ranks, those cops might still be alive?

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And maybe the BLM movement is a relatively decent reaction to the recent events and the shooter of those 6 police is a non-member of the BLM movement who is moved, however, by the same events to take an alternate course of action.

Deploring the BLM movement is counter productive, and likely to be interpreted as racist. And let me warn you . . . . some of the people who criticize the BLM movement actually are racist.

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Click through to the link and you will in fact see that these banks settled on the claim that they were in fact discriminating based on skin color. Mortgages very much were offered on the basis of race.

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It is a sad truth that such a thing still exists in America.