So smart he won't even talk to you!

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. - James 1:17

Behold! God the Father is the Father of all light and energy, and in his light and energy all things are made. In which there is a spiritual variety...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

And then there is the spiritual light and energy that we humans muster up, which normally is ego and what the Apostle Paul calls flesh. I have heard that the devil and the flesh are so akin that it is hard to discern between the two of them.

When we had a plating department in our facility I worked under a chemist. This chemist was very smart and very good at math. When he laid out equations he did so in very neat handwriting and there would be much activity as he turned the results of an analysis into an addition. I would take his calculations and put them in the form of visual basic functions and sub procedures.

Of all the years I worked with this man I had one opportunity to witness to him. I made my presentation while he was analyzing adhesion under a microscope in which you could hear the sounds... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch! After my presentation he just continued to look under the microscope as if ignored everything I said so I just continued in my work. Then... The scratch scratch, scratching stopped! And he speaks!

"You know what I think it is?" He says while continuing to look under the microscope... "I think it is arrogance!"

And then, without taking his eyes off the microscope, he continues his work... Scratch, scratch, scratch! Scratch scratch, scratch!

I did not reply but went about my work. If I had a sick feeling in my stomach, it was that he never did witness the true spiritual light and energies, and those religious folk that he met in his life were arrogant... Which is not the light and energy God would have us present.

Ophiolite said:

No. The intricacies suggest that planetary formation and crustal development are complex processes that arise from the application of basic physical and chemical laws. By diligent gathering of information, detailing of observations, formation of hypotheses, testing of those hypotheses and modification as required, we move ever closer to a sound understanding of how such planetary formation and crustal development occurred.

I have no issues if you choose to believe those basic laws of physics and chemistry were established by a creator, but the intricacies of the planet do not suggest that. If you think they do, then you are not properly considering those intricacies.

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The chemistry of our atmosphere, top soil, and water have all got to be perfect for life to have occurred. The element iodine is rare in our solar system and on earth. As the body's iodine levels fall, hypothyroidism may develop, since iodine is essential for making thyroid hormone. The thyroid secretes several hormones, collectively called thyroid hormones. The main hormone is thyroxine, also called T4. Thyroid hormones act throughout the body, influencing metabolism, growth and development, and body temperature. During infancy and childhood, adequate thyroid hormone is crucial for brain development. If iodine is not present all kinds of health problems can occur...




The iodine had to get from the earths crust to the human body . But... That is just one element out of many. And if we ever tried to make a planet earth like environment out of the moon we would understand how the creation of the world would be impossible without intelligent design.

Ophiolite said:

The chemistry of our atmosphere and water are completely different from their chemistry when life arose. Life forms that could exist in the primitive atmosphere and ocean would persih in most environments on the Eartt today. Most life on Earth today would perish rapidly in the primitive atmosphere or ocean. Why do you disregard this?

The top soil did not exist on the primitive Earth. Top soil is the product of life. Why do you disregard this?

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Top soil cannot exist without animals
Animals cannot exist without top soil

So which came first?

Ophiolite said:

Animals are not necessary for the creation of top soil. Microorganisms are. The microorganisms came first.

I don't mean this unkindly, but you would have a better chance of making a case if you had some sound knowledge of what you are talking about. That doesn't appear to be so. I encourage you to recognise this.

I notice you haven't addressed your misunderstanding of current versus primitive atmosphere. Will you do so, or better yet, seek to enhance your understanding by judicious questioning?

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I would say that without the intelligent design our planet would look a whole lot like our moon, which enjoys similar chemical properties.

A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass. - Deuteronomy 8:9

God himself is the chemist that put together the reality of planet earth. And if we were to ever attempt to turn our moon into a habitable satellite, we would understand the intricacies that went behind the creation of this planet.

Ophiolite said:

Do you actually intend to address any of the points I have raised? I have respectfully, up to this point, addressed each of your comments. You have, for the most part, responded with more unfounded assertions and lightweight opinions. If you intend to continue in this pointless vein, with your fingers jammed securely in your ears, then is there any point in this dialogue?

Please, out of courtesy, address any of the points I have made in a substantive manner, not with further incidental and unevidenced assertions. Or just tell me you have a closed mind and I can go about my business.

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Tell me... Why is not the moon like the planet earth since they are so alike in chemical composition? Why did not natural selection occur on the moon?

Ophiolite said:

I can provide more details, as required, but off the top of my head:

Much lower gravity - therefore no meaningful atmosphere
Devoid of volatiles, in particular water.
Wrong "everything" to generate plate tectonics
Very low iron content and so very small core and no magnetic field.

With no atmosphere, no oceans, very limited carbon content, no protection from solar wind, etc. there was no opportunity for abiogenesis to occur and therefore no opportunity for evolution to be initiated.

Thank you for asking a relevant question.

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So why were not those things found on earth and not on the moon? If there is life on earth then there ought to be something on the moon as well? I do believe if it were not for a God that the planet earth would much resemble the moon.

What about the earth creatures? Especially this perfectly designed instrument called the eye... Along with the communication with the mind that allows us to build an imagination!

Ophiolite said:

In summary, it is likely that the moon was formed during the formation of the Earth when a Mars sized object struck the proto Earth. One of the consequences of this was to leave a gaseous mass of material in orbit derived from the Earth's mantle. This material condensed and formed the moon. The limited iron content and essentially no volatiles, are responsible for the distinctive differences between the Earth and moon chemistry.

I have already explained why there are several important differences between the Earth and the moon that explain exactly why there is no life on the moon. With respect, it doesn't really matter that you think things shouldn't be that way. Nature has very little interest in your opinion. It does not require a God to make the Earth replete with life and the moon devoid of it.

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You speak of nature as an intelligent entity, which it is. All you got to do is put personality behind that entity and you have God the Father. It is the fact that he does not communicate with you is the reason that you do not believe in return.

Ophiolite said:

I have already explained why there are several important differences between the Earth and the moon that explain exactly why there is no life on the moon. With respect, it doesn't really matter that you think things shouldn't be that way. Nature has very little interest in your opinion. It does not require a God to make the Earth replete with life and the moon devoid of it.

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Yes... My precious... There is an entity in which you call nature.... And that nature also has very little interest in your opinion... In other words... He is so smart he won't even talk to you!

Ophiolite said:

That sure as heck is not the kind loving God I learned about in Sunday School. I preferred that variety.

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I was using your own words referring to nature.

Ophiolite said:

Your thread is predicated on the view that God can't be bothered to speak to most people. If that's not what you were trying to say, you need to write more clearly.

Now, to more important matters. Do you now understand why the Moon and the Earth are so different?

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There is a reason that God is not bothered to speak to most people...

But your doings on earth have separated between you and your God, and by your doings have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. -Isaiah 59:2
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, well, wrong doings lieth at the door. - Genesis 4:7 (the first sermon on earth)

Just as if we were to spend a vast part of our resources making the moon habitable... Only to have the habitation turn out to be a stubborn and self-willed people, determined to destroy the place we spent so much of our resources making for them. If they were not to listen to the advise that we the creators of the habitable moon gave them, our options would be to have them removed or quit talking to them.