I just read in the Bible in Luke where it says the blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable and i purposely thought a cursing though. Well not purposely really it just happened and then everything seemed like it froze I've already been having doubt issues and now i feel like i just condemned myself and i don't know what to do and I'm really scared. And the thoughts just keep coming and theres a voice in me saying that i don't really care and I'm just being fake but i want it to all stop i just want it to stop and i want to be Jesus's I want to be His child mim so scared please help
Did i just condemn myself
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Keep praying.
And no, I do not believe you've condemned yourself. I truly think that if someone gets to the point where they blaspheme the Holy Spirit, it's because they don't care about God at all.
You clearly DO care and you want very much "to be His child", as you said.
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God will forgive anyone who repents, so the unforgivable sin is unrepentance because it cuts us off from the very means by which we can obtain forgiveness. In Matthew 18:21-35, we have the parable of the unforgiving debtor, where we have been forgiven an insurmountable sum, but if don't forgive others for a tiny fraction of that, then our own debt will be reinstated. In Matthew 6:15, Jesus said that if we don't forgive the sins of others, then our Father will not forgive our sin, so unforgiveness is likewise an unforgivable sin because it cuts us off from our own forgiveness. If you are worried whether you have committed the unforgivable sin and are repentant about it, then you have not committed it because you have already been forgiven.
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How do I stlloQUOTE="Soyeong, post: 69852511, member: 375022"]God will forgive anyone who repents, so the unforgivable sin is unrepentance because it cuts us off from the very means by which we can obtain forgiveness. In Matthew 18:21-35, we have the parable of the unforgiving debtor, where we have been forgiven an insurmountable sum, but if don't forgive others for a tiny fraction of that, then our own debt will be reinstated. In Matthew 6:15, Jesus said that if we don't forgive the sins of others, then our Father will not forgive our sin, so unforgiveness is likewise an unforgivable sin because it cuts us off from our own forgiveness. If you are worried whether you have committed the unforgivable sin and are repentant about it, then you have not committed it because you have already been forgiven.[/QUOTE]
How do I stop the thoughts. They just keep playing in my mind. It's so bad I had to stop my Bible plan reading because I could not focus.
How do I stop the thoughts. They just keep playing in my mind. It's so bad I had to stop my Bible plan reading because I could not focus.
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How do I stop the thoughts. They just keep playing in my mind. It's so bad I had to stop my Bible plan reading because I could not focus.
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2 Corinthians 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
The more knowledge of God you have, the more that you can recognize what is false and discern what is of God and what is of Satan. Do not take ownership of those thoughts, but recognize that they come from Satan, and that Satan has no power over you except what you give him when you believe his lies. Take those thoughts captive and make them obedient to Christ.
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First, I want to assure you that no, you didn't commit the unpardonable sin. How do I know that? Because if you did you wouldn't be concerned that you did. Your safe.
Second, since I've experienced similar thoughts in my younger days it may be helpful to bring attention to a condition known as scrupulosity, I'm by no means a professional and therefore won't make any assumptions about your state of mind, but it can be helpful to be informed. You can learn about what scrupulosity is here. It is, technically, a form of OCD, which is why I won't say anything about you personally since I don't know you, your state of mind--but if this is a reoccurring issue, it can help to talk to a therapist. Speaking personally I was regularly inundated with thoughts of hopeless terror, each thought in my mind a risk, I felt, of my ultimate destruction and judgment--which led me to despair and trying to be as "spiritual" as possible so as to not invoke the ire of God.
Chances are that I suffered from a form of scrupulosity, but since I never actually spoke with anyone about it I can't be sure. What I do know is that I have had other mental issues, namely depression and anxiety disorders, that were only diagnosed as an adult in my mid-late 20's. Further, I was part of religious environments that put a great deal of emphasis on my need to be "spiritual" and to show "fruit" and to "grow in righteousness", and as such, in retrospect, I was receiving very little actual preaching of the Gospel. It was there, it's not like I didn't know the Gospel or never heard it, but it was often masked with preaching of the Law and would confuse the Gospel with the Law--as a result I regularly fell into despair and into a cycle of desperately trying to experience and "feel" God.
I cannot stress the importance of actually just hearing the Gospel itself, because it is the no strings attached love of God.
God loves you. God loves you so much that God became a man and offered His life for you. He loves you so much that He threw Himself away in love so that you, though you're a sinner, can be His child. And you are. You are His child. You are a child of God because Jesus makes you God's child. And there is no power on earth that can stop that from being true. You belong to God because Jesus says so, He said so by dying on a cross, and rising from the dead.
-CryptoLutheran
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here is an update i posted. hello i have been dealing sith whether or not i am a true Christian or not and last night i was readin in Luke and i read where Jesus said that the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. As soon as i read that i thought a cussing thought to the Holy Spirit and everything froze in that minute and i couldnt finish readong my Bible. i felt sick and all i could do is look up articles about whether or not i had just condemned myself. i was and sm so afriad. i keep praying every few minutes praying to God that i did not comitt the sin and begging for His forgivness. then i read in an article that the Blaspheming of the Holy Spirit was saaying that Jesus was working by satan and then i started thinking thoughts like thatt. i dont want to think these thoughts. and i just feel so condemned now i feel like there is no longer any hope for me and the thoughts just keep happening and i have the thoughts that i mean them and that i am going to turn away from God. i want this to stop. i just want to know that i have saving faith in Jesus and that i am going to Heaven to live an eternal life with Him. i want to be His child. i have debated for about a year if i have scrupolisity. please help me. i am so scared of the fact that i just condemed myself to an eternity in Hell. i dont want to go to hell. i want to go to Heaven. some people and articles said that you. cannot comit the sin in this time.
does this mean i still have not committed the sin. i read on answers in Gemesis that it means to deny Jesus and die without being saved. is that true?
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Pretty classic OCD stuff. Been there, done that (didn't get a t-shirt, though). You are obsessing. Funny, how it is always over things that are terrible and fearful, eh? So, what about what people have told you in this thread? You don't seem to have believed them. Why is that? Why are you willing to believe that you have done something unforgivable rather than that you have not? You know that obsessive fear is not from God, right?
2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
Romans 8:15
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
If your obsessive fear isn't from God, where do you think it might be coming from? And why are you so quick to fear the worst from God rather than the best? You know He loves you, yes?
Romans 8:31-39
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Maybe you ought to start telling yourself the truth about God's love for you instead of inordinately focusing on a sin you didn't actually commit. Do you really think your Heavenly Father who loves you more than anyone ever has - or ever will - is just waiting for the slightest reason to damn you to Hell? Really? That's not what the passage above says.
It's time to start telling yourself the truth instead of the fearful lies you've developed a habit of focusing on. "The truth shall set you free." And the truth is that God's love is greater than your sin, it is greater than your fear, and you can trust Him fully.
1 John 4:15-19
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.
Selah.
2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
Romans 8:15
15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father."
If your obsessive fear isn't from God, where do you think it might be coming from? And why are you so quick to fear the worst from God rather than the best? You know He loves you, yes?
Romans 8:31-39
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Maybe you ought to start telling yourself the truth about God's love for you instead of inordinately focusing on a sin you didn't actually commit. Do you really think your Heavenly Father who loves you more than anyone ever has - or ever will - is just waiting for the slightest reason to damn you to Hell? Really? That's not what the passage above says.
It's time to start telling yourself the truth instead of the fearful lies you've developed a habit of focusing on. "The truth shall set you free." And the truth is that God's love is greater than your sin, it is greater than your fear, and you can trust Him fully.
1 John 4:15-19
15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.
Selah.
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You are going through a spiritual battle, where your fleshy mind is at war against the truths of God. This is expected and can be overcome by the power of the Spirit.
Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want."
The fact that you're aware of this battle is proof that God is at work in your life, continue persevering and relying on God. Pray for guidance through this battle and the Holy Spirit will see you through.
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The almost universal consensus among Christians across denominational lines is that blaspheming the Holy Spirit involves a lifelong rejection of the Gospel; Jesus warns those who accused Him of performing deeds by the power of the devil about this because while blasphemy against the Son is forgiven (as they were doing) blaspheming the Holy Spirit--if they continued to reject Christ's work, continued to reject the Gospel, continued on denying what was obvious and standing right in front of them--it would not be forgiven. This sin is unpardonable not because God is unwilling or unable to forgive--God forgives all sins, and Christ died for the sins of the whole world (that means everybody), so the only reason the sin is unpardonable is if it is the person who commits remains obstinate, insisting against the blinding light of truth shining right at them, that even should they when they stand before God at the Judgment they would still insist on not accepting God's mercy and grace, that it will remain unpardoned.
The only reason the sin is unpardonable is because we will refuse and reject God's free and gracious forgiveness as found in Jesus Christ.
Which is why you will frequently find people tell you that if you are worried that you committed the unpardonable sin then you absolutely have not. Nobody who blasphemes the Holy Spirit could ever feel remorse over it, or fear over what it means--they wouldn't care. And nobody who blasphemes the Holy Spirit would want to be a Christian, or care about it. It is not an individual act of impiety against the Holy Spirit, it is a wholesale and consistent rejection of the work of the Spirit who quickens us to life in Christ through faith by the preaching of the Gospel.
Do you want to be saved? Then you have not committed this sin. Full stop.
But I again would recommend, if you are laboring under feelings and thoughts such as this (not having "cursing thoughts" but living in this fear of dread) that you may want to talk to a therapist as it may be a sign of a disorder, specifically something like OCD/scrupulosity. Your salvation is not in jeopardy here, but your state of mind can be relieved by talking to a someone who can help you work through your own thoughts and feelings.
-CryptoLutheran
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Because every time that I try to move on and forget about these things I feel like I am hardening my heart against God and saying that I don't care if committed the sin. And when I pray to God sometimes my thoughts get directed and satan makes me think and feel like I am praying to him instead, and I have to ask God to create a prayer barrier that satan can't get through to my prayers. And I am still struggling with thinking satanic thoughts and cussing thoughts toward God and the Holy Spirit and I just have to keep telling myself and telling Go that I am sorry because those things are not true but I cant control them .
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Was the blasphemous thought a declaration of the honest and true belief of your heart? Do you at the core of your being hold to the idea that the power of God is really the power of the devil? You don't sound like you do. So, why all the fear that a random, stupid thought in your head - very possibly set there by the Enemy - that doesn't really represent what you think about God is going to be sufficient to bring down the eternal wrath of God on your head? Do you not believe God loves you? How can you think He does and then fear He's going to swat you down with every silly thought that pops into your head?
So, what does God's word say about all this? Do you know? The word of God is your spiritual sword. It's supposed to be what you use to cut down the lies you tell yourself and the lies the devil tempts you to believe. Are you using your sword? Doesn't sound like it.
This is NOT the answer to your problem. Satanic thoughts only submit to one thing: the truth and power of God. Don't just keep endlessly apologizing to God for foul thoughts. Use the entrance of those thoughts into your mind as a trigger to focus on the truth of God. Brother, you will be conformed to that upon which you focus. It's just the way God has made us to be. If you let satanic thoughts dwell in your mind unchallenged and you focus on them and obsess over them, you will be in the end in some way shaped by them (and never for the better). But if you use the thoughts of the Evil One to prompt you to look unto Jesus, to think on his beauty and truth, you will find yourself conformed to him and free, in time, from the obsessiveness and corrupt thoughts that afflict you now. So, what will you do? Continue on as you have been, or "look unto Jesus the author and perfecter of your faith"?
John 8:31-32
31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Psalms 1:1-3
1 Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.
Selah.
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no and after i think the thoughts i always say no thats not true. can you give me any Bible verses to combat these thoughts? also is this true : http://www.crosswalk.com/faith/spiritual-life/the-unpardonable-sin-1264225.html
this is something that i have kept thinking about because this happened before Christ died on the cross and on the cross He paid for all sins and it is never mentioned to my knowledge in any verses after His death and resserection.
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It matters why it is not true. Why are the temptations and lies that lead you into guilt and fear false? Satan has his lies all ready to manipulate and deceive you. The only thing that'll cut through them is the piercing and exposing truth of Scripture. "That's not true" isn't going to help you - as I think you've been discovering.
I have given you some important ones already. What thoughts are you having, exactly? It isn't necessary to have a whole bunch of verses speaking to one issue. That's a sure way to discourage yourself from memorizing any verses. Just one or two that are clear and unequivocal and speak straight to the thoughts you're having are enough. Make sure, though, that you aren't making a magic spell out of God's word. It isn't enough simply to speak the truth. You have to anchor your beliefs to it; you have to stand unmoved upon it. Believe me, the devil will test you to see how firmly you will hold to God's truth. But God uses the devil's testing to strengthen you and develop in you good spiritual habits and a commitment to His truth.
The Bible is very clear that Christ's sacrifice on the cross for our sins was perfect. It accomplished all that God intended it to accomplish. Christ's sacrifice satisfied all of God's justice, holiness and wrath. This is why we read in Scripture:
Romans 5:20
20 ...But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
Selah.
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The thoughts that i think are cussing and satanic ones. if. there were a button to push that would make them stop i would push it.
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You know, in everything we face God always has the same fundamental goal: that we would be like Christ. Even in the struggle you're having with these obsessive-compulsive thoughts, God intends to make you more like Jesus. There is no easy road to this end, however. The struggles, and tests, and trials we face all work together to mature us, and deepen our faith, and strengthen us - if we let God have His way with us. As a person indwelt by God's Spirit you have within you all you need to be free of these thoughts. Do you believe it? Will you trust God's word in this or go with what you think, and feel, and experience? That is the real challenge facing believers. Will you walk by faith or by sight? Here's what the Bible says about you:
2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
If this is true, then the obsessive thoughts and feelings you're having are not the truth about you. You have in Christ a spirit of love, power and a sound mind. You don't have to be obsessing and feeling compulsions to swear. That's not of God and not who you really are. Not according to the Bible.
Selah.
2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
If this is true, then the obsessive thoughts and feelings you're having are not the truth about you. You have in Christ a spirit of love, power and a sound mind. You don't have to be obsessing and feeling compulsions to swear. That's not of God and not who you really are. Not according to the Bible.
Selah.
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Thank you. When the thoughts or images enter my mind I have been trying to turn them on satan and praising Jesus. It seems to help a little. JESUS IS LORD. I continue to pray to Jesus and seek His help in will in all of these things. May the Lord bless you.
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin, cannot happen in this day and age. It occured back in the time of Jesus, those who committed the miracles of Christ and the Holy Spirit as coming from Satan.
We can not do this today. Although we can quench the Holy Spirit which is a sin, but it is not an unforgiveable sin.
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You do know that you have within you in the Person of the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Christ, all that you need to be a stable, strong disciple of Christ? All the help a believer needs is within them at the moment they are converted and spiritually born-again. What is necessary is for you (and every believer) to surrender to the will and way of God, to the full control of His Spirit. When a believer does this, when they fully surrender to their Maker, they open the floodgate of their life to the power of God. His power, you see, is only fully manifested in our life after we have given Him control of it. God does not exert His full power in the life of people who want to call the shots for themselves. The answer to your OCD, then, isn't to ask God for help but to submit, yield, surrender yourself to Him and remain that way so that His power may flow unhindered into your life. It is when this happens, when God pours His power into your fully submitted life, that the help you pray for is obtained. This is true for every believer.
Romans 6:13
13 Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 12:1
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
James 4:6-7
6 ..."God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
1 Peter 5:6-7
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,
7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
Many people want God's help; they want His joy, and peace, and love, and power; but they aren't prepared to let Him have absolute control of their life. Many people want God's stuff but they don't really want all of Him. He may guide from afar but He shouldn't have direct control over what they watch, or invest their time, energy and money in, or who they hang out with, or what they read or say. But people who hold God off in the margins of their life cannot expect to live the transformed life God in His word promises to His children.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;
20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days...
Selah.
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