Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

1John2:4 · Jul 5, 2016

Bob S said:
I am sorry I was harsh with you, I apologize. It seemed like I was answering your question and then getting more while mine were overlooked.

I hope to return when you have time. I will check in from time to time.

Maybe this can help you in answering posts. see the "+" to the left of the camera at the top. Highlight any part of a post, click on the + and a "quote" will appear. Click on the quote and it will put the highlighted part of the quote in green.( during your reply it shows "quote" at both ends of the highlighted area) You do not have to start a new post with every thought in answering a post.

Thanks for the tips

bugkiller · Jul 5, 2016

1John2:4 said:
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Jeremiah 31:34 The Covenant does not cancel (finish) the law. He wrote it on our hearts with His Spirit we should desire to keep His law if it is on our hearts, like David we should meditate and rejoice in His ways not cast them off and do what is right in our own opinion. The law is spiritual Romans 7:14 and God and the Spirit are Ahad.

Read the rest of the sentence which starts in v 31.

And no God the Father and God the Holy Spirit aren't "ahad" meaning the same. Both are God.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 5, 2016

1John2:4 said:
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Matthew 27:46

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” Mark 15:34

This is Matthew and Marks accounts of Yeshua's last words on the cross.
I believe this is Yeshua is fulfilling Psalm 22

My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from helping Me,
And from the words of My groaning?
2 O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear;
And in the night season, and am not silent. (I would recommend re-reading the entire thing, it is absolutely amazing)

He fulfilled the suffering servant, that is what is finished that is what he came to do this time, to die so the lost sheep of Israel could return. They were divorced by God because of transgression and scattered into the nations.

Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. Jeremiah 3:8

[ The Servant, Israel’s Hope ] Thus says the Lord: “Where is the certificate of your mother’s divorce, Whom I have put away? Or which of My creditors is it to whom I have sold you? For your iniquities you have sold yourselves, And for your transgressions your mother has been put away. Isaiah 50:1 (This is Jacob's trouble)

Because of God's own law (because He is a just God) He can not marry the same woman twice

then her former husband who divorced her must not take her back to be his wife after she has been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Deuteronomy 24:4

“They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another man’s, May he return to her again?’ Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me,” says the Lord. Jeremiah 3:1

Yeshua took the curse for us, (the curse of the law)

So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

And the priest shall put her under oath, and say to the woman, “If no man has lain with you, and if you have not gone astray to uncleanness while under your husband’s authority, be free from this bitter water that brings a curse. Numbers 5:19

As you can clearly see, these passages say nothing about the Torah being cancelled this is a fulfillment of prophecy. That is what he finished on the cross, he not only took the curse of the unfaithful woman, He died to become eligible to remarry her. God created a way for His beloved Jacob, Israel, Ephraim to come home (all name for the house of Israel) , She(House of Israel) was divorced from Him and scattered among the nations. It was because of Israel's iniquity that they were cast off, God had to die to bring her back. That is why Yeshua is referred to as a shepherd, But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24

This is why He comes back for His bride in the end, because through His blood, her garments have been made clean, she is now a virgin and eligible to be wed.

You simply refuse to believe Jer 31:31-33 and the words of Jesus found in 3 Gospels about the covenants.

bugkiller

1John2:4 · Jul 5, 2016

Bob S said:
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,
declares the Lord.
What do you believe "not like the covenant I made with their ancestors" means? I don't care where you say it is written makes the difference, the new covenant isn't like the old one. Where it is written is ludicrous. You are parroting others without giving what you write a thought.

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
What are Jesus laws? Hint JN 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. This is exactly what John wrote in 1Jn3: 19-24 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

This is what is written on our hearts brother, not 613 laws that most do not pertain to Christians. If it is 613 laws that are written on our hearts wouldn't you think people would e breaking down the doors to your meeting house ready to join up with like believers. That is how we know we belong to the truth. You have not discovered that yet and are following someone's thoughts without testing their beliefs with scriptural truth.

I'm sorry but you are the one parroting others you say, grace abolished the law, fulfilled means we don't have to do Gods commandments, yet you have no biblical proof that they have been done away with.
What do you have to loose by keeping God's commandments? The world, that's what you loose. When you keep Gods standards for righteousness you are free. You are free from the bondage of sin (transgression of the law). You seem to be captivated by this idea that Yeshua came to set us free from Gods law. That Old Testament God was some Tyrant that gave His people some standard of righteousness that they could not keep so He could distroy them. Then Yeshua came down and freed His people from His mean old Fathers rules because they were just too hard to follow. That is foolishness, it's not backed by any scripture. I would recommend you test what is being taught in your camp. I have given you scripture to back up what I believe, I have tested mine to the Word, to the prophets and to the Torah. I have asked you to prove from the prophets where the Torah was to end? Where is that prophecy? You can not answer. I plead with you don't be deceived, just because your church says so, test it, you can not blame your church on judgement day if you have this wrong. Not only that, you are missing out on so many blessings here and now. I don't doubt you have a heart for Yeshua. I pray for you friend, do not be lead away by the error of the lawless. Please read the warnings in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 and Matthew 7:21

bugkiller · Jul 5, 2016

1John2:4 said:
I'm sorry but you are the one parroting others you say, grace abolished the law, fulfilled means we don't have to do Gods commandments, yet you have no biblical proof that they have been done away with.
What do you have to loose by keeping God's commandments? The world, that's what you loose. When you keep Gods standards for righteousness you are free. You are free from the bondage of sin (transgression of the law). You seem to be captivated by this idea that Yeshua came to set us free from Gods law. That Old Testament God was some Tyrant that gave His people some standard of righteousness that they could not keep so He could distroy them. Then Yeshua came down and freed His people from His mean old Fathers rules because they were just too hard to follow. That is foolishness, it's not backed by any scripture. I would recommend you test what is being taught in your camp. I have given you scripture to back up what I believe, I have tested mine to the Word, to the prophets and to the Torah. I have asked you to prove from the prophets where the Torah was to end? Where is that prophecy? You can not answer. I plead with you don't be deceived, just because your church says so, test it, you can not blame your church on judgement day if you have this wrong. Not only that, you are missing out on so many blessings here and now. I don't doubt you have a heart for Yeshua. I pray for you friend, do not be lead away by the error of the lawless. Please read the warnings in 2 Thessalonians 2:1 and Matthew 7:21

You seem to have no idea about the word grace. Granting grace (mercy) void whatever grace is granted for.

bugkiller

Bob S · Jul 6, 2016

1Jn, Instead of angrily raking me over the coals in your last post wouldn't it have been nice if you would have addressed my last post and debated what I wrote? I have asked you to please answer what I write. I have given you "proof", the problem is that you refuse to tell me where I am wrong. If you really want to know what I think about how you have responded to my posts I will tell you Just read your last response and compare it with my last response. It is evident that you don't want to know what I believe, all you want to do is present your side and expect me to kowtow, I don't need to be lectured to my friend. I have claimed the promises found in the New Testament. I have claimed the "better" covenant provided by our Savior Jesus Christ and I live by His commands to believe in Him and love others as He loves us. Yes, it is a different covenant and yes Israel failed in keeping the old covenant and God did not abandon them, but provided a new way to live. If you prefer the old way that is your choice. We cannot make you drink of the glorious new way. It is too bad that when you see the light of the new covenant you will not entertain even discussing it.

It is your move now. Either debate by answering my Biblical thoughts as I have answered your thoughts or just stop the nonsense you spouted in your last post.

love2obey · Jul 6, 2016

sadly, we keep looking at the law as if sin only existed after God issued the 10 Commandments. Before Moses, there was sin. The same we can say after Jesus's Crucifixion. Coinciding with the bible, sin is not doing God's will. It has been since the beginning and will be until the end.
My personal opinion is that all that the bible has to say to us, from Genesis to Revelation being that is God's word, is the will of God and I must do. We keep forgetting that when sin came about man lost its like God image. From then on, God has been trying to restore humanity back to its original form. Without this image, we will not be accepted in Heaven.
This is how the bible ends. What greater expression of God's will and the consequences of it? These look like words taken out of the OT as if spoken to Israel. Yet their are not.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Those words apply only to the book of Revelation or the entire bible?
blessings

BobRyan · Jul 6, 2016

love2obey said:
sadly, we keep looking at the law as if sin only existed after God issued the 10 Commandments. Before Moses, there was sin.

And God said "5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Gen 26:5

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

The same we can say after Jesus's Crucifixion. Coinciding with the bible, sin is not doing God's will. It has been since the beginning and will be until the end.
My personal opinion is that all that the bible has to say to us, from Genesis to Revelation being that is God's word, is the will of God and I must do.

Amen!

love2obey · Jul 6, 2016

BobRyan said:
And God said "5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Gen 26:5

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Amen!

I wonder some times do we all read the bible or texts that are giving to us at will. the detailed life of Abraham starts in Gen 12. if we read where it all started, we find that the key is not the word used but the action taken. Gen 2:16, 17 and Gen 3:1-7.
for me to read in context the bible means within God's plan of salvation which started the moment sin came alive.

After being in this type of forum since 04, I got to see the big difference in our church's teachings. Furthermore, how importance it was for us to maintain them as well.

bugkiller · Jul 6, 2016

BobRyan said:
And God said "5 because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” Gen 26:5

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Amen!

Sadly Moses plainly says Abraham did not have the law in Deut 5, but you even refuse to hear what Moses says.

Since sin was before the law as the complete vers states sin also violates (transgresses) the law. I'm tired of you half truth lies.

bugkiller

disciple1 · Jul 7, 2016

1John2:4 said:
About your doctrine, I don't understand were you gleaned your definition of moral and ritual laws from, I was hoping you could clarify.

The Jewish Religion has a lot of truth, and a lot of error, If you choose to use Jewish literature to define your doctrine that is completely your choice, however I prefer use the scriptures and the guiding of the Spirit. If I use read or listen to a teacher I do my best to test it to the word.

You are right about the staying in tents, marching around Jericho, and circumcision on the 8th day. Those are wonderful examples to ponder, maybe we really will not know the answer this side of the Kingdom. God's ways are greater than our own. I think sometimes we can be way more concerned about the do's and don'ts and really miss the whole point of the Sabbath. I know I have been guilty of this type of error, the day becomes a burden of lording over my household with a stick. Instead I try my best to focus on the Creator, engage in His Word, Worship, admire the world around us that He made for us, spend time with my family, and best of all, rest from the demands of this crazy world. When we understand that the Sabbath is a blessing, it becomes, well, a blessing. Yeshua (Jesus) said the Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

I am not sure that the Levites had free reign to do whatever they wanted on the Sabbath, they had to serve God, I don't believe they went out to buy sandals. Yeshua said to do good on the Sabbath.

I do admit something is different about the Moadim, they are God's days and they are what set us apart from the world.

Thanks again for your reply

1John2:4 said:
If I use read or listen to a teacher I do my best to test it to the word.

I can't teach, I get angry, the last two verses show anyone can be wrong in what they say pastors anyone.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
James chapter 3 verse 1 and 2
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

Bob S · Jul 7, 2016

love2obey said:
sadly, we keep looking at the law as if sin only existed after God issued the 10 Commandments.

who is this "we" you are writing about?

Before Moses, there was sin. The same we can say after Jesus's Crucifixion. Coinciding with the bible, sin is not doing God's will. It has been since the beginning and will be until the end.

This is true, but God had/has other children than Israelites. He didn't impose the same laws on all His other children. God's will is different for gentiles than is was for Israelites.

My personal opinion is that all that the bible has to say to us, from Genesis to Revelation being that is God's word, is the will of God and I must do. We keep forgetting that when sin came about man lost its like God image.

Again, who is we. I for one have never forget. I believe it is because I have the Holy Spirit living in me and He guides me every nanosecond of the day. It is not what we do brother it is what Jesus has done for us. Our works are as filth.

From then on, God has been trying to restore humanity back to its original form.

Trying? What do you believe the plan of salvation really is. You make it sound like God is not quite up to the task.

Without this image, we will not be accepted in Heaven.

Without Jesus covering our wrong doing we are lost.

This is how the bible ends. What greater expression of God's will and the consequences of it? These look like words taken out of the OT as if spoken to Israel. Yet their are not.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Those words apply only to the book of Revelation or the entire bible?
blessings

I suppose you are using that text to chastize those of us who believe in the New Testament as the rule of right. Just remember the old covenant, the one you take as gospel, ended with the new covenant. It would be impossible to be under both. Chose this day who you will serve, Jesus or Moses. Jesus is the author of the new covenant. I for one will follow Jesus.

love2obey · Jul 7, 2016

bugkiller said:
Sadly Moses plainly says Abraham did not have the law in Deut 5, but you even refuse to hear what Moses says.

Since sin was before the law as the complete vers states sin also violates (transgresses) the law. I'm tired of you half truth lies.

bugkiller

so you are saying that God lied and Moses is telling the truth? please look at your overall argument.
why not take a step back and look at what is your understanding of sin without the existence of the 10 commandments?
Even the Sabbath was mentioned (Ex 16) before the 10 C's (Exodus 20) were issued.
seriously read the first 3 chapters of Genesis. it is not an issue of who is right but what is the truth my friend.
Genesis 2:17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
What death is God talking and how it comes about here if Adam and Eve continued living afterward? Understanding this passage is very important because it is the basis of all that the bible has to teach us. it is the source that leads Paul to say
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

love2obey · Jul 7, 2016

Bob S said:
who is this "we" you are writing about?

This is true, but God had/has other children than Israelites. He didn't impose the same laws on all His other children. God's will is different for gentiles than is was for Israelites.

Again, who is we. I for one have never forget. I believe it is because I have the Holy Spirit living in me and He guides me every nanosecond of the day. It is not what we do brother it is what Jesus has done for us. Our works are as filth.

Trying? What do you believe the plan of salvation really is. You make it sound like God is not quite up to the task.

Without Jesus covering our wrong doing we are lost.

I suppose you are using that text to chastize those of us who believe in the New Testament as the rule of right. Just remember the old covenant, the one you take as gospel, ended with the new covenant. It would be impossible to be under both. Chose this day who you will serve, Jesus or Moses. Jesus is the author of the new covenant. I for one will follow Jesus.

The way you present God to be I will never believe in Him. He loves to make people suffer or has favorites since he does not know what he is doing. My friend, we are the fools to have walked away from such a loving and caring being. He has nothing to correct or regrets. I have understood what it means to love by seeing God's way with humanity. He created us to be like Him and we chose to walk away from it all. We became useless fools instead of Godly beings. He empowered man to look after all of His creation. I include myself in the we because of it is the nature of all man and I am one of them. The beauty of it all is God loves us all so much that He is willing to sacrifice His Son for us all. Now that is up to us all, each and everyone individually, to believe that is the different.
Bob, the day we truly understand sin is when we truly understand how much God has loved us so that by His grace we have Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This will come about when we see how much God has tried since the beginning to keep us from sin, be lost. I remember being in a meeting a young man about 33 cry and cry over the death of his mom. He will feel so much pain over remembering how in his youth, must of the time he would see his mom was while being in prison. She was the only one that visit him. It hurts him so much to know how much she loved him and he made her suffer so much and now that he had mature he didnt have her to show her his love.
Even thou God just came to your life some years does not mean that He has not been with you since before you were born.

Travis93 · Jul 7, 2016

Bob S said:
This is true, but God had/has other children than Israelites. He didn't impose the same laws on all His other children. God's will is different for gentiles than is was for Israelites.

Exodus 12:49 The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.
Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Numbers 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.
Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths; for the law shall go forth out of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Bob S · Jul 7, 2016

Travis93 said:
Exodus 12:49 The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.
Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Numbers 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the Lord.
Numbers 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 2:4 And many nations shall come and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths; for the law shall go forth out of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Do you really believe you have answered my statement with your quotes from scripture. Did God ever tell any other nation of people to observe Israels Torah? You know you can't tell us He did.

Bob S · Jul 7, 2016

love2obey said:
The way you present God to be I will never believe in Him. He loves to make people suffer or has favorites since he does not know what he is doing. My friend, we are the fools to have walked away from such a loving and caring being. He has nothing to correct or regrets. I have understood what it means to love by seeing God's way with humanity. He created us to be like Him and we chose to walk away from it all. We became useless fools instead of Godly beings. He empowered man to look after all of His creation. I include myself in the we because of it is the nature of all man and I am one of them. The beauty of it all is God loves us all so much that He is willing to sacrifice His Son for us all. Now that is up to us all, each and everyone individually, to believe that is the different.
Bob, the day we truly understand sin is when we truly understand how much God has loved us so that by His grace we have Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This will come about when we see how much God has tried since the beginning to keep us from sin, be lost. I remember being in a meeting a young man about 33 cry and cry over the death of his mom. He will feel so much pain over remembering how in his youth, must of the time he would see his mom was while being in prison. She was the only one that visit him. It hurts him so much to know how much she loved him and he made her suffer so much and now that he had mature he didnt have her to show her his love.
Even thou God just came to your life some years does not mean that He has not been with you since before you were born.

Sorry, I don't consider your posts anymore. You refuse to answer our questions and give nothing but a bunch of nothing.

BABerean2 · Jul 7, 2016

love2obey said:
why not take a step back and look at what is your understanding of sin without the existence of the 10 commandments?
Even the Sabbath was mentioned (Ex 16) before the 10 C's (Exodus 20) were issued.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(In Hebrews 11:16 New Jerusalem is now in heaven.)

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
(We are children of the New Covenant, not of the Sinai covenant.)

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Travis93 · Jul 7, 2016

Bob S said:
Do you really believe you have answered my statement with your quotes from scripture. Did God ever tell any other nation of people to observe Israels Torah? You know you can't tell us He did.

Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths; for the law shall go forth out of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

This prophesy actually lines up nicely with Revelation.
Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour of the nations into it.

Here's some more prophesies that show a law abiding future for humanity, going to Jerusalem to worship: Zechariah 8:9, Zechariah 14:16-18, Isaiah 66:22-23, Isaiah 2:2-3

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 7, 2016

Bob S said:
Do you really believe you have answered my statement with your quotes from scripture. Did God ever tell any other nation of people to observe Israels Torah? You know you can't tell us He did.

His answer was good,
and remember,
no other nation, no other people, served Yhwh, nor had any hope of salvation.
Do you want to remain apart from Yhwh, together with "all other nations" NOT serving Him ? ?

Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

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