Why are so many protestants anti-Catholic and/or anti-Orthodox

OrthodoxForever · Jul 6, 2016

amariselle said:
Again, entirely symbolic. Do you think Jesus was saying He was literally bread? Hardly.

"Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood..." Gee... where else does that show up?

Matthew 26:26-30:
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessedb]'>[b] and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.” 30 And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

Albion said:
But that doesn't explain his emphasis upon the bread and wine and the language he used there about it being himself! That's quite unlike an updated version of the Passover meal. In any case, you'd written that there is no Biblical basis for the belief in the Real Presence...and there clearly is. Yes, Protestant Christianity goes both ways on how to interpret those words, but it seems more than apparent that there is a Biblical basis.

No, I said there is no Biblical basis for believing the bread and wine are His actual body and blood. I already said I believe He is present with us.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

Thursday said:
John 1
35The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. 36When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

John 6
54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

How many times do I need to say that those words are symbolic. If you don't think so, why do you not believe that Jesus was an actual lamb? You accept that part of these words are symbolic, but not the rest, which makes no sense.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

OrthodoxForever said:
"Unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink His blood..." Gee... where else does that show up?

Matthew 26:26-30:
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessedb]'>[b] and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” 27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.” 30 And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Symbolic.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

Thursday said:
You love Jesus and want the truth.

You are free to walk in to any Catholic Church and pray before the Eucharist.

I am not, my conscience does not allow it. I know I would be dishonest before God in doing so. I pray to the Lord, not before the Eucharist itself.

Albion · Jul 6, 2016

amariselle said:
No, I said there is no Biblical basis for believing the bread and wine are His actual body and blood. I already said I believe He is present with us.

But the connection between the bread and wine with Jesus own self is what is important and unmistakable about his words. It's not that he was there and, also, they all were eating bread.

If he is with us simply in the way that he's always with us--or in the way that was meant when he said that whenever two or three are gathered in his name, etc.--there would have been no reason at all for him to have used this startling and unusual wording.

OrthodoxForever · Jul 6, 2016

amariselle said:
Symbolic.

It was not symbolic, it was perfectly clear and what was said was what was meant.

rockytopva · Jul 6, 2016

When I was a Baptist I thought that only Baptist were going to heaven and that they had the corner on everything. I am afraid that I was rude to my Catholic brethren and if I were to go back in time I would apologize to them.

My pastor of my Pentecostal Holiness church in seminary thought that the Pentecostal Holiness church had the corner on everything and that only the PH were going to heaven.

My dad is Lutheran and he knows of folk who think that the Lutheran had the corner on everything and only the Lutheran are going to heaven.

I have come to believe that the churches are seven as outlined in Revelation...

Ephesus - Messianic - The first church started by the apostle to the circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Gentile - Started by the apostle to the uncircumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox - Started with Constantine... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic - Increased with Charlemagne - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestant - Began with Martin Luther - A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism - Began with John Bunyan - Continued with Wesley... To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Materialistic - Began with DL Moody, the first to profit from ministry... Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?

Sometimes it can take decades for God to raise people above their denominational cloud to see the church the way it is... In seven congregations. And that we are all brethren with unique virtues, and issues as well.

I would say that there are also Catholic and Orthodox people who have not raised their heads above their denominational cloud and think that they too have the corner on everything.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

Albion said:
But the connection between the bread and wine with Jesus own self is what is important and unmistakable about his words. It's not that he was there and, also, they all were eating bread.

If he is with us simply in the way that he's always with us--or in the way that was meant when he said that whenever two or three are gathered in his name, etc.--there would have been no reason at all for him to have used this startling and unusual wording.

I'm not disagreeing with His being present with us, I am disagreeing with the idea that we eat His actual flesh and drink His actual blood through transubstantiation. I apologize if I was unclear about that.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

OrthodoxForever said:
It was not symbolic, it was perfectly clear and what was said was what was meant.

You are free to believe that. Many symbolic things were said by and about Jesus, and I truly believe this was one of them. After all, He was not actually (literally) a lamb, a shepherd, a gate, bread etc.

OrthodoxForever · Jul 6, 2016

amariselle said:
You are free to believe that. Many symbolic things were said by and about Jesus, and I truly believe this was one of them. After all, He was not actually (literally) a lamb, a shepherd, a gate, bread etc.

Yet He was and is a shepherd to those who follow Him, He guides and protects, a lamb, He willingly submitted to sacrificial slaughter for our sake, a gate, His death and resurrection opened our door into Paradise. No the communion elements don't transform into a human body and human blood, that's not and never has been what Transubstantiation means. It means that once consecrated they become vessels for the presence of Christ and therefore food and drink to nourish the soul as well as the body.

Thursday · Jul 6, 2016

amariselle said:
I am not, my conscience does not allow it. I know I would be dishonest before God in doing so. I pray to the Lord, not before the Eucharist itself.

Would you go where God leads you? Pray for guidance and don't tell God what you will or won't do.

Thursday · Jul 6, 2016

rockytopva said:
When I was a Baptist I thought that only Baptist were going to heaven and that they had the corner on everything. I am afraid that I was rude to my Catholic brethren and if I were to go back in time I would apologize to them.

My pastor of my Pentecostal Holiness church in seminary thought that the Pentecostal Holiness church had the corner on everything and that only the PH were going to heaven.

My dad is Lutheran and he knows of folk who think that the Lutheran had the corner on everything and only the Lutheran are going to heaven.

I have come to believe that the churches are seven as outlined in Revelation...

Ephesus - Messianic - The first church started by the apostle to the circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Gentile - Started by the apostle to the uncircumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodox - Started with Constantine... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholic - Increased with Charlemagne - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestant - Began with Martin Luther - A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism - Began with John Bunyan - Continued with Wesley... To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Materialistic - Began with DL Moody, the first to profit from ministry... Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?

Sometimes it can take decades for God to raise people above their denominational cloud to see the church the way it is... In seven congregations. And that we are all brethren with unique virtues, and issues as well.

I would say that there are also Catholic and Orthodox people who have not raised their heads above their denominational cloud and think that they too have the corner on everything.

Those are just locations, not distinct churches. They believed the same things but they differed in faithfulness to the message.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

Thursday said:
Would you go where God leads you? Pray for guidance and don't tell God what you will or won't do.

You don't think I HAVE prayed? And of course I will continue to. My response was directed at your suggestion that I need to go to a Catholic Church and pray before the Eucharist. I have received no such direction from God.

Thursday · Jul 6, 2016

amariselle said:
You don't think I HAVE prayed? And of course I will continue to. My response was directed at your suggestion that I need to go to a Catholic Church and pray before the Eucharist. I have received no such direction from God.

I'm asking you to specifically seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit in this matter with an open heart.

rockytopva · Jul 6, 2016

Thursday said:
Those are just locations, not distinct churches. They believed the same things but they differed in faithfulness to the message.

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

If the seven churches are just locations... Then the mystery of the seven churches is no mystery!

Thursday · Jul 6, 2016

rockytopva said:
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

If the seven churches are just locations... Then the mystery of the seven churches is no mystery!

They are just locations, just like . we read of the Church at Antioch and the Church at Jerusalem. They were just different locations.

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

OrthodoxForever said:
Yet He was and is a shepherd to those who follow Him, He guides and protects, a lamb, He willingly submitted to sacrificial slaughter for our sake, a gate, His death and resurrection opened our door into Paradise.

Again, not literal, but symbolic, you are confirming that.

OrthodoxForever said:
No the communion elements don't transform into a human body and human blood, that's not and never has been what Transubstantiation means. It means that once consecrated they become vessels for the presence of Christ and therefore food and drink to nourish the soul as well as the body.

That is not that Catholic definition and understanding of "Transubstantiation."

amariselle · Jul 6, 2016

Thursday said:
I'm asking you to specifically seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit in this matter with an open heart.

No, first you asked me to go to a Catholic Church and pray before the Eucharist.

And, once again, I HAVE and will continue to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

rockytopva · Jul 6, 2016

Thursday said:
They are just locations, just like . we read of the Church at Antioch and the Church at Jerusalem. They were just different locations.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1-2:19-1

Christ Jesus walks in the midst of the seven congregations....

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