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"Is it me, or am I the only one who sees the parallels here ?! Putin is being steered by the same demons as Adolf Hitler. The names and the faces may have changed, but the plan remains the same."

The problem with your pick is that Putin does not fit the biblical profile of the little horn of Daniel's visions .... or the other prophets and Revelation's unfolding on the subject

However, you are correct that the game is the same .... it all comes from the cosmic controversy between the Lord and Satan

If you want to know where this battle will play out and who will be directly involved you must study the related prophecies carefully and watch the Middle East for the stage setting

When the little horn arises and appears out of the northern vestiges of the land between the two rivers of Mesopotamia [Syria/Iraq today] and begins to confederated the divides of the 400 million Muslim populations in the region you will know that the Lord is at the gate to protect a remnant part of His national people of Israel and to destroy Satan's entire ploy in short order

Spreading radical Islamic terrorism is the vanguard of what is coming

.... and Putin's Russia will fall to the little by the northern Muslim enclaves bordering Putin's camp [Daniel 11:44]

Hi Straightshot,

I agree with much of what you say - Islam rising & being the `terrifying beast.` However I do see 5/6ths of the Russian Federation & Iran, Libya & Ethiopia, being dealt with by God on the mountains of Israel, soon.

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The Russian word for Peace is `Meer,` the same word means `the world.` So when they claim to want peace, are they in fact wanting the world?

Also I believe that WW3 is just on the horizon - about 3 1/2 years.


If you look at the background, history and personality traits shared by Adolf Hitler and Vladimir Putin, you'll see some striking similarities. No surprise, several of the prophetic descriptions of the Anti-Christ dictator found in the Book of Daniel appear to perfectly characterize both men.

Hitler was the son of a devoutly religious mother and a non-clerical overbearing father. At his mothers insistence, Adolf was christened and baptized in church. Vladimir Putin was also the product of a strained family environment. His mother was a devout member of the Russian Orthodox Church, while his father was a committed communist, and even served as Stalin's personal cook. Putin was also baptized. He wears a baptismal cross around his neck, which he claims he has never taken off, even to bath.

In his youth, Adolf Hitler served in the German army during WWI. Although he did receive a medal (similar to a U.S. Purple Heart) for injuries incurred as a result of being gassed, Hitler never grew tired of exaggerating his heroism during WWI to his generals during Second World War. After WWI, he believed himself to be an exceptional artist and painter, although the Berlin Institute of Fine Art refused to admit him as a student, and rated his talent as mediocre at best.

Vladimir Putin also displays the same narcissistic personality traits. As a young man Putin portrays himself a martial arts expert, although his competitive record is quite unexceptional. Putin also presents himself as a Russian military hero, often appearing in military garb, such as military flight suit (he is a certified pilot, although he has never flown in combat), and he has even posed for the camera wearing a "Spetsnaz" (Special Forces) GRU uniform, although there is no record of him having ever been a member of that elite organization. Once again, a man who has deliberately exaggerated his military record and has created a "cult" of personality around himself, (see definition of Megalomania).
 
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Hi Stephen,

Yes a lot of what you say is true, however the anti-Christ, the final global leader scripturally does not come from Russia but Islam. I don`t think you were inferring that but thought I would clarify that point.

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As for Bible prophecy, the similarities become even clearer. Daniel 8:23 says, at the Time of the End, a king of "fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall arise". From the start of his political career, Adolf Hitler styled himself as a fierce opponent of the Weimar Republic, so much so, that when "Mein Kamp" was published (a book of dark sentences if there ever was one), and he was brought to trial for it's seditious content, German courts were so afraid of reprisal, they didn't convict Hitler of treason and actually exonerated him of all charges.

Vladimir Putin began his political career as a KGB case officer in Dresden, East Germany. As a case officer he was trained in the development of western assets (agents), through applying blackmail, coercion and threats (again, dark sentences). Putin has time and time again threatened the West and Europe with war (EVEN NUCLEAR WAR) in his public speeches. Most recently threatening America with war, should Hillary Clinton be elected President. That sounds pretty "fierce" to me.

Daniel 11:23 says, "After coming to an agreement with him, he will act deceitfully and with only a few people he will rise to power" (NIV Bible). Hitler became the political face of the SA,(a small radical organization of thugs in Germany) and after being elected Reich Chancellor, he turned on the SA, murdering many of its' leaders in a bloody purge called the "Night of the Long Knives", or the "Rohm Putsch, in which his elite inner circle of followers replaced the SA as his personal vanguard.

As stated already, Vladimir Putin also rose to power through his career in the KGB (a small and elite, but influential branch of the Soviet Government). Through his KGB association, Putin would have had access to all the intelligence information detailing Boris Yeltsin's crimes of corruption and excess as the President of Russia. Putin was named by Boris Yeltsin as his chosen successor, and Putin's first official act as President was to pardon Boris Yeltsin protecting him from prosecution. Putin also rises to power with a few people, and consolidates his power through deception, just like Adolf Hitler did.

Daniel also says, "He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will say outrageous things against the God of gods. He will be successful, until the time of wrath is completed, because what has been decreed shall be accomplished" (Daniel 11:36).

Early on, Adolf Hitler had close political ties with the Vatican, and styled himself as a "Champion of Christianity" to the German people and the world. Inevitably (as with all megalomaniacs), Hitler proclaimed himself "Fuhrer" of the German people, to which they had to pledge unfaltering allegiance to, above any other authority, (even God). In the end, Hitler not only marched the Jews into the ovens of the death camps, but many Roman Catholic priests suffered the same fate as well.

Vladimir Putin also has close ties with the Vatican, and has been called by Pope Francis the "Savior of the Christian World" against Radical Islam.

As I said, the similarities are striking. Both men are megalomaniacs, who claim to be doing the work of God, while suffering from a "god" complex themselves.


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Hi Stephen,

Yes I see you know some history. However....God never leaves His word open for us to speculate or have our opinion on. He is very specific. So for the anti-Christ, God has told us -

1. His Nationality.
2. The region that is his power base.
3. The city that he will use for the centre of his global government.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Yes a lot of what you say is true, however the anti-Christ, the final global leader scripturally does not come from Russia but Islam. I don`t think you were inferring that but thought I would clarify that point.

Yes. I am disagreeing with you. Vladimir Putin is definitely the Anti-Christ, not some MYTHICAL yet unknown Islamic leader in the Arab World.

Vladimir Putin is the only Russian President in history to have visited the Palestinian Territory in 2012 and 2014. Having called for Peace summits between the Israelis and Palestinians (which never materialized into anything), Putin has styled himself as the "Savior" of the Palestinian people and their call for Independence. On his last visit in 2014, the Palestinian authority renamed a street after him in Bethlehem, in honor of his solidarity with the Palestinian people.

As I said earlier, Vladimir Putin will not allow Israel and the West to build a pipeline across the Mediterranean from Israel to Turkey supplying Europe with natural gas. Putin has a "clear" economic motive for turning against Israel, and since 2015 he has been fortifying Syria, allowing Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops into Syria, and he has rearmed Hezbollah terrorists with hundreds of thousands of modern Russian missiles for the express purpose of attacking Israeli cities and the port of Haifa.

In other words, it's time to drop this MYTH about some Islamic Anti-Christ figure that doesn't exist, and "WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE" !!! At some point in the not too distant future, Vladimir Putin will invade and occupy the West bank (Judea), the Palestinian Territory, and fulfill End Time Bible prophecy, (Matthew 24:15-16). And it is coming way sooner than anyone expects !

Right now Putin is trying to negotiate a ten billion dollar deal to buy into the Israeli Leviathan Gas Field pipeline project, that includes Russia providing military security for the pipeline. When that deal falls through and doesn't bear fruit, you can expect the Hezbollah missiles to start flying out of Syria and Lebanon soon afterwards.
 
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"I agree with much of what you say - Islam rising & being the `terrifying beast.` However I do see 5/6ths of the Russian Federation & Iran, Libya & Ethiopia, being dealt with by God on the mountains of Israel, soon."


You view is a popular one and I am well aware of the idea of Russian involvement

Actually Russia has no federation with the Muslim countries and in fact is a target for radical Islam

"Rosh" in Ezekiel 38 does not refer to Russia, but is translated as "chief" prince of Mesheck and Tubal .... both post flood centers of rebellion in the "land" of Magog against the Lord during the 500 years before Assyrian rule of the region lasting over 1500 years

This same geographic is there today and so are there the mix of ethnic post flood populations who are all for the most part adherents of Islam today .... this is significant because the Lord is pointing to them and not Russia in Ezekiel 38; 39 .... He uses the ancient ethnic names for defining these populations .... these are essentially the Turks, Assyrians, Armenians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Iranians today

What we can learn is that the Lord is addressing "gog", the "chief prince" of the fallen angelic realm who is Satan .... it is Satan who will contrive the Muslim onslaught against His nation of Israel during the coming tribulation .... and all but 1/6 of the 400 million followers of Allah in the Middle East will be destroyed in the battle [Ezekiel 39; Revelation 14:14-20; 19:11-21]

Then the Lord will personally rule the earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years [Micah 4:1-3; 5].... and Satan [gog] will be sent to the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations that will inhabit the millennium [Revelation 20:1-3]

However, Satan [gog] will be released from the abyss to cause another human rebellion against the Lord and Israel at the ending of the 1000 years .... the terms gog and magog are used again symbolically to define Satan and the rebelling nations of the millennium

The Lord will quickly put down this rebellion and proceed to judge all of the unbelieving spirits from the beginning of human creation .... and then His eternal kingdom will begin with new heavens and a new earth never to end [Revelation 20:4-15; 21]

The idea that Ezekiel 38 refers to modern day Russia is not true .... I used to believe this as well and even the notable prophecy teacher John Walvoord of the DTS taught this interpretation that came from reformation theology

What these teachers did not have was the hindsight of what we can know about today along with the Muslim intransigence nesting in the Middle East, and so the missed place speculation of the involvement of the old Soviet Union now defunct

The controversy of the offset between the offspring of Abraham, Issac/Jacob/Israel .... and Ishmael/Esau/Edom is the actual setting to watch for the time of the end of this present age .... all of the Bible prophets are focused upon Israel and the tiny nation's surrounding virulent enemies of the Muslim populations of the Middle East [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 36:1-7; 38; Obadiah 1:1-21; Zechariah 12; 13; 14]

This is still ongoing as we speak and the Lord is going to intervene and settle it once and for all .... the Muslims are going to loose the contest

Satan's beast component is another fallen angel like Satan who does the devil's bidding specifically in the Middle East .... this beast rules over 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for the devil ... 5 have fallen, and two are next to come, one after the other [Revelation 9:11; 11:2; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

And the human component of Satan's [gog's] ploy is the little horn of Daniel's visions inhabited [possessed] by Abaddon/Apollyon [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12;7; Micah 5:5-6] .... this king will confederate the Middle Eastern Muslims who are now divided at this time, and he will rule over both the 6th smaller and expanded divided 7th kingdom

His point of origin will be in the heart of the region where the core of the Ancient Assyrian Empire was located [Syria/Iraq today]

If you have further questions about any details, I will answer
 
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Hi Stephen,

Yes a lot of what you say is true, however the anti-Christ, the final global leader scripturally does not come from Russia but Islam. I don`t think you were inferring that but thought I would clarify that point.

Marilyn.
Hi Marilyn, info that you may not be aware of. One of the good things about this site is the tag feature. One of the tags is Muslim Antichrist -which only those person who hold that position can post in a tagged thread Muslim Antichrist. Someone like me is not allowed to post in that thread because I don't subscribe to the Muslim Antichrist view.

The tag system was implemented a year or so ago at this forum because preterists were derailing nearly every thread. That problem has gone away with the tag system. Of course, it is not required to have any tag - which allows everyone to post in such threads.
 
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it is Satan who will contrive the Muslim onslaught against His nation of Israel during the coming tribulation

In biblical reality "Gog" (Russia) will be the chief protagonist and aggressor against Israel at the "Time of the End". Countries like Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Ethiopia and Libya are mentioned in End Time Bible prophecy as followers of Gog, not its' leaders (Ezekiel 30:5, 38:5). According to the prophecy of Daniel, one Arab country currently aligned with the West will be invaded and plundered by the army of the Anti-Christ, namely EGYPT, (Daniel 11:42).

Notice in the very next verse, the Libyans and Ethiopians are described as "following at his heels" (Daniel 11:43). That hardly sounds like these Arab nations are going to be calling the shots for Gog, now does it ?

Sorry, but your narrative of an End Time "Islamic Caliphate", or Arab led coalition which seeks to destroy Israel, simply IS NOT supported by Bible prophecy. Instead, it is "Gog" (Russia) that will be intent on destroying Israel and will be calling the shots, not radical Islam, or the Arabs.

Your theory about Arabs leading the attack against Israel in the Last Days, is rooted in the Arab/Israeli conflicts of the last 70 years... Not On Bible Prophecy. In other words, it is anti-Arab, Zionist propaganda, not REAL eschatology.
 
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" That hardly sounds like these Arab nations are going to be calling the shots for Gog, now does it ?"


You have it backwards .... Satan [gog] is the one who will be calling the shots [Ezekiel 38:17]

No Russian here [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 36:1-7; 38; Micah 5:5-6]

And the controversy is rooted in the offset between Abraham's off spring Isaac and Ishmael millennia go

Most likely to deep for you to grasp

Spend some more time in the study and maybe you will get it

You have no scriptural support for your Russian "gog" ..... you are speculating
 
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You have no scriptural support for your Russian "gog" ..... you are speculating


Google it. You will be led to a number of sites in which mainstream conservative Christian commentary unequivocally identifies "Gog" with the current day nation of "RUSSIA". Nowhere in any of these sites or Bible commentary is the term "Gog" associated with, or given as another name for "SATAN".

I'm afraid, you are the one making stuff up, not me.
 
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Yes. I am disagreeing with you. Vladimir Putin is definitely the Anti-Christ, not some MYTHICAL yet unknown Islamic leader in the Arab World.

Vladimir Putin is the only Russian President in history to have visited the Palestinian Territory in 2012 and 2014. Having called for Peace summits between the Israelis and Palestinians (which never materialized into anything), Putin has styled himself as the "Savior" of the Palestinian people and their call for Independence. On his last visit in 2014, the Palestinian authority renamed a street after him in Bethlehem, in honor of his solidarity with the Palestinian people.

As I said earlier, Vladimir Putin will not allow Israel and the West to build a pipeline across the Mediterranean from Israel to Turkey supplying Europe with natural gas. Putin has a "clear" economic motive for turning against Israel, and since 2015 he has been fortifying Syria, allowing Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops into Syria, and he has rearmed Hezbollah terrorists with hundreds of thousands of modern Russian missiles for the express purpose of attacking Israeli cities and the port of Haifa.

In other words, it's time to drop this MYTH about some Islamic Anti-Christ figure that doesn't exist, and "WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE" !!! At some point in the not too distant future, Vladimir Putin will invade and occupy the West bank (Judea), the Palestinian Territory, and fulfill End Time Bible prophecy, (Matthew 24:15-16). And it is coming way sooner than anyone expects !

Right now Putin is trying to negotiate a ten billion dollar deal to buy into the Israeli Leviathan Gas Field pipeline project, that includes Russia providing military security for the pipeline. When that deal falls through and doesn't bear fruit, you can expect the Hezbollah missiles to start flying out of Syria and Lebanon soon afterwards.

Hi Stephen,

Would be good to discuss this topic on its own thread.

regards Marilyn.
 
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"I agree with much of what you say - Islam rising & being the `terrifying beast.` However I do see 5/6ths of the Russian Federation & Iran, Libya & Ethiopia, being dealt with by God on the mountains of Israel, soon."


You view is a popular one and I am well aware of the idea of Russian involvement

Actually Russia has no federation with the Muslim countries and in fact is a target for radical Islam

"Rosh" in Ezekiel 38 does not refer to Russia, but is translated as "chief" prince of Mesheck and Tubal .... both post flood centers of rebellion in the "land" of Magog against the Lord during the 500 years before Assyrian rule of the region lasting over 1500 years

This same geographic is there today and so are there the mix of ethnic post flood populations who are all for the most part adherents of Islam today .... this is significant because the Lord is pointing to them and not Russia in Ezekiel 38; 39 .... He uses the ancient ethnic names for defining these populations .... these are essentially the Turks, Assyrians, Armenians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Iranians today

What we can learn is that the Lord is addressing "gog", the "chief prince" of the fallen angelic realm who is Satan .... it is Satan who will contrive the Muslim onslaught against His nation of Israel during the coming tribulation .... and all but 1/6 of the 400 million followers of Allah in the Middle East will be destroyed in the battle [Ezekiel 39; Revelation 14:14-20; 19:11-21]

Then the Lord will personally rule the earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years [Micah 4:1-3; 5].... and Satan [gog] will be sent to the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations that will inhabit the millennium [Revelation 20:1-3]

However, Satan [gog] will be released from the abyss to cause another human rebellion against the Lord and Israel at the ending of the 1000 years .... the terms gog and magog are used again symbolically to define Satan and the rebelling nations of the millennium

The Lord will quickly put down this rebellion and proceed to judge all of the unbelieving spirits from the beginning of human creation .... and then His eternal kingdom will begin with new heavens and a new earth never to end [Revelation 20:4-15; 21]

The idea that Ezekiel 38 refers to modern day Russia is not true .... I used to believe this as well and even the notable prophecy teacher John Walvoord of the DTS taught this interpretation that came from reformation theology

What these teachers did not have was the hindsight of what we can know about today along with the Muslim intransigence nesting in the Middle East, and so the missed place speculation of the involvement of the old Soviet Union now defunct

The controversy of the offset between the offspring of Abraham, Issac/Jacob/Israel .... and Ishmael/Esau/Edom is the actual setting to watch for the time of the end of this present age .... all of the Bible prophets are focused upon Israel and the tiny nation's surrounding virulent enemies of the Muslim populations of the Middle East [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 36:1-7; 38; Obadiah 1:1-21; Zechariah 12; 13; 14]

This is still ongoing as we speak and the Lord is going to intervene and settle it once and for all .... the Muslims are going to loose the contest

Satan's beast component is another fallen angel like Satan who does the devil's bidding specifically in the Middle East .... this beast rules over 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms for the devil ... 5 have fallen, and two are next to come, one after the other [Revelation 9:11; 11:2; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

And the human component of Satan's [gog's] ploy is the little horn of Daniel's visions inhabited [possessed] by Abaddon/Apollyon [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12;7; Micah 5:5-6] .... this king will confederate the Middle Eastern Muslims who are now divided at this time, and he will rule over both the 6th smaller and expanded divided 7th kingdom

His point of origin will be in the heart of the region where the core of the Ancient Assyrian Empire was located [Syria/Iraq today]

If you have further questions about any details, I will answer

Hi Straightshot,

As I said to Stephen, it would be good to discuss this on its own thread.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi Marilyn, info that you may not be aware of. One of the good things about this site is the tag feature. One of the tags is Muslim Antichrist -which only those person who hold that position can post in a tagged thread Muslim Antichrist. Someone like me is not allowed to post in that thread because I don't subscribe to the Muslim Antichrist view.

The tag system was implemented a year or so ago at this forum because preterists were derailing nearly every thread. That problem has gone away with the tag system. Of course, it is not required to have any tag - which allows everyone to post in such threads.

Hi Douggg,

Thanks for the info. Look forward to discussions without the tag.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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Hi Stephen,

Would be good to discuss this topic on its own thread.


I didn't introduce the subject of who the Anti-Christ is, or who is going to attack Israel at the Time Of The End in this thread... The Moslem Anti-Christ proponents introduced those subjects first. So evidently they believe it has some relevant context to the Brexit referendum. If you don't want it discussed in this thread, then I suggest you don't bring up anything about it here.
 
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I didn't introduce the subject of who the Anti-Christ is, or who is going to attack Israel at the Time Of The End in this thread... The Moslem Anti-Christ proponents introduced those subjects first. So evidently they believe it has some relevant context to the Brexit referendum. If you don't want it discussed in this thread, then I suggest you don't bring up anything about it here.

Hi Stephen,

Now there is a difference between touching a subject as might pertain to the topic & then getting into a full discussion which would benefit by having its own thread. That`s all I mean bro.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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"Google it. You will be led to a number of sites in which mainstream conservative Christian commentary unequivocally identifies "Gog" with the current day nation of "RUSSIA"

Don't have to google it .... I already know the main stream view well .... and I believe it is wrong for many reasons

.... and I agree with Marilyn .... there is already a thread started about the topic on this forum
 
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Don't have to google it .... I already know the main stream view well .... and I believe it is wrong for many reasons

.... and I agree with Marilyn .... there is already a thread started about the topic on this forum

Of course you don't agree with mainstream Christian scholars on points of eschatology. That's why your views are regarded as "fringe" theology and "disinformation".

Since there is already a thread dedicated to these topics else where in this forum, you should go there and post your theories about "Islamic Caliphates" conquering the world and "Moslem Anti-Christs" there, and I won't have to respond to that nonsense here.

I clean up trash wherever I find it. Don't litter, and you won't get called on it.
 
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Hi all. My friends and I put together a video a couple weeks ago. It's basically suggesting that England is representative of the Lion beast from both Daniel's prophecy. The Lion is given the heart of a man and made to stand like a man, suggesting that it will not longer be a beast (or world power). This is significant regarding political relations. We suggest that America will be destroyed by a surprise nuclear strike from Russia, aided by the 10 rotating members of the UN secuirt counsel (the leopard?) and by the dragon (i.e. China).

If America (the eagle) is destroyed, then France and England would be powerless to stop a take-over of the U.N. resulting in a significant transformation of power and influence, especially if England has already alienated itself politically and the 10 rotating members of the UN security counsel decide not to take action against Russia/China but instead choose to move on into a bright new future of peace for mankind. Daniel says a "little horn" with eyes and a mouth like a man "plucks up by the roots" 3 other horns (or world powers). America is destroyed thus demoting two other world powers (England and France). Daniel describes a leopard with the wings of a fowl. France is represented by a rooster. It may be that in the powershift France will be lucky just to act as an appendage to the newly formed 10 member governing body resulting from what was previously the UN.

In Daniel's prophecy the eagle's wings are plucked and, while there is mention of a lion in the Revelation beast, there is no mention of the eagle; it is no longer a world power worthy of note. The destruction of America will bring huge change to the world in a short period of time. Anyway, the video is only 3 minutes long. I look forward to hearing what you all think.

 
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