Bringing in the sheaves...

I'm wondering why Jesus went up on the 40th day of the counting of the Omer and what events to place on the 40th day after the exodus like did the Israelites arrive on the mountain on the 40th day?

What day did Moses go up the mountain the first time to recieve the Torah in order to return on the 50th day with the Torah?

visionary said:

There are two harvest, the spring and the fall. We know that Satan is going to purpose the Spring feasts to fit with His agenda. The First Fruits is always on Sunday. First Fruits feasts big event and purpose is to wave the sheaf before God. Satan can have his moment of gloat.

But as usual Satan twists it to fit his agenda. He is a great imitator in all matters, and this will be no exception.

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There are three harvests per year.

You have the Spring, for the Barley, then in Summer, the Wheat harvest . Interestingly enough I was reading something last night about the grape harvest and it actually starts in Israel right after Shavuot and continues until around September/October when we have Sukkot. Other crops come in at that time as well.

1. So in reality you have a designated Spring harvest when the year starts which would be First Fruits following Pasach, which is represented by Yeshua.

2. Then you have the Summer harvest of wheat- which would be around Shavuot, represented by the 3,000 Jews who believed after the Resurrection.

3. Now you have left the Fall harvest, which if indication is correct in the agricultural sense, there are more smaller harvests between the wheat and the final and last harvest of all things growing, which ends with Sukkot.


This is interesting to note as well: "Barley and wheat were planted in the autumn and ripened in spring."
Shavuot celebrates the filling of the storehouses with grain, this is the end of the grains harvest.

Now comes the fruits of the trees and vines--- as you can see below, Grapes from the vine are harvested for four months, following Shavuot, all through till Sukkot. Does this mean there has been an ongoing harvest of believers after the Shavuot following the resurrection?


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In the Torah we read From Deut 8:8


Wheat-----------------Grain
Barley-----------------Grain
Grapes ----------------vines
Figs--------------------Tree
Pomegranates--------Tree
Olives------------------Tree
Dates ------------------Tree (honey comes from dates too)

So these amount to SEVEN harvests, now of course they grew other things but this is what it says about the land and I think it's there for more than just promoting these seven things.

So that amounts to

2 Grain harvest
1 Vines harvest
4 Tree harvests

Yeshua said he was the 'True' vine-----------we only have 1 vine harvest

Throughout the bible men are represented by trees

Now taking the fact that the Wheat and Barley are planted in the Fall, could these two grain harvests represent those that come in after the rapture?
I won't derail this thread, I'll start another one on that.

But could you please explain these things you said?

visionary said:

There are two harvest, the spring and the fall. We know that Satan is going to purpose the Spring feasts to fit with His agenda. The First Fruits is always on Sunday. First Fruits feasts big event and purpose is to wave the sheaf before God. Satan can have his moment of gloat.

But as usual Satan twists it to fit his agenda. He is a great imitator in all matters, and this will be no exception.

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Interesting to note, from this website I found


8 (2) October. (Heshvan, wheat, barley sowing). Farmers would be finishing with their grape and fig harvests, olives would be gathered, the fattened sheep would be slaughtered, and the sugarcane and dates would ripen, plowing would begin and the rains would loosen up the hard dry ground. During October were the heavier rains known in Scripture as "the former rains."


Almost sounds like The date harvest happens after all the others are harvested, then they become 'ripe'


Largest Dates in the world grown in Israel-- almost 4 inches long!
http://www.israelagri.com/?CategoryID=404&ArticleID=796


Look at these babies!

Lulav said:

Wheat-----------------Grain
Barley-----------------Grain
Grapes ----------------vines
Figs--------------------Tree
Pomegranates--------Tree
Olives------------------Tree
Dates ------------------Tree (honey comes from dates too)

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...what about Almonds?

AbbaLove said:

...what about Almonds?

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July/August

gadar perets said:

July/August

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Was wondering why Lulav didn't include Almonds in the list of top seven ...

Exodus 37:18-20
18 And six branches going out of the sides thereof; three branches of the candlestick out of the one side thereof, and three branches of the candlestick out of the other side thereof:
19 Three bowls made after the fashion of almonds in one branch, a knop and a flower; and three bowls made like almonds in another branch, a knop and a flower: so throughout the six branches going out of the candlestick.
20 And in the candlestick were four bowls made like almonds, his knops, and his flowers:

Numbers 17:8
Now on the next day Moses went into the tent of the testimony; and behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi had sprouted and put forth buds and produced blossoms, and it bore ripe almonds.

The almond tree is associated with one of the earliest prophecies of Jeremiah. “Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘Jeremiah, what do you see?’ And I said, ‘I see a branch of an almond tree.’ Then the Lord said to me, ‘You have seen well, for I am watching to perform My word.’” (Jeremiah 1:11-12). Jeremiah foresaw the miraculous restoration for Israel. “And it shall come to pass, that as I have watched over them, to destroy, and to afflict… so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, says the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:28)

The Month of Shevat is the 11th month on the Jewish calendar counting from Nisan. The high point of the month is the holiday of Tu B'Shevat, known as the “New Year for Trees.” Tu B'Shvat is a relatively modern feast taking place on the 15th of Shvat. It is celebrated when the almond trees blossom in Israel. Tu B'Shvat is also the date used to calculate the age of trees for tithing. Fruit from trees may not be eaten during the first three years; the fourth year's fruit is for God, and after that, the fruit may be eaten (see Lev. 19:23-25).

Almond trees blossom all over Israel every winter. They are the first tree to blossom and yet the last to bear fruit. The Spiritual significance is not coincidence as the Nation of Israel awaits the coming of their Messiah.

AbbaLove said:

Was wondering why Lulav didn't include Almonds in the list of top seven ...

Wheat-----------------Grain
Barley-----------------Grain
Grapes ----------------vines
Figs--------------------Tree
Pomegranates--------Tree
Olives------------------Tree
Dates ------------------Tree (honey comes from dates too)​

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A better question would be, why didn't Moses include it in Deuteronomy 8:8?

AbbaLove said:

...what about Almonds?

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They are not in the list given in Deut.
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In the Torah we read From Deut 8:8

7"For the L-RD your God is bringing you into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and springs, flowing forth in valleys and hills)

8 a land of 1.wheat and 2.barley, of 3.vines and 4.fig trees and 5.pomegranates, a land of 6.olive oil and 7.honey;

1. Wheat-----------------Grain
2. Barley-----------------Grain
3. Grapes ----------------vines
4. Figs--------------------Tree
5. Pomegranates--------Tree
6. Olives------------------Tree
7. Dates ------------------Tree (honey comes from dates too)

So these amount to SEVEN harvests, now of course they grew other things but this is what it says about the land and I think it's there for more than just promoting these seven things.

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So to add to that these are also part of 'BIRKAT HA'MAZON ' or 'Grace After a Meal' which is said mainly after Shabbat meals but a shortened version after others.

They are referred to as 'Shivaat haminim', the Seven Species.


Since we have Seven Moedim and these Seven species are particularly mentioned together I thought there might be a connection.

From a website on the Seven Species:

The Seven Species (Shivat Haminim in Hebrew) are the seven types of fruits and grains named in the Torah (Deuteronomy 8:8) as the main produce of the land of Israel. In ancient times these foods were staples of the Israelite diet. They were also important in the ancient Jewish religion because one of the Temple tithes derived from these seven foods. The tithe was called the bikkurim, which meant "first fruits."


That highlighted may also bring these two together in understanding the seven harvest of the seven species and the peoples harvesting as well.

@AbbaLove you may want to look at that link for it does mention the almond as an 'eighth' species honored on Tu 'B'Shuvat. Which is interesting to contemplate as is the 'eighth day'.

I'd also like to add in reference to the seven species mentioned here

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/1706.htm
That this 'good land' was also called the "Promised Land' and is also a reference to Heaven. So it would indeed match up that there were Seven harvests from the earth to be 'stored' in Heaven.

gadar perets said:

A better question would be, why didn't Moses include it in Deuteronomy 8:8?

A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey;​

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Just a thought, because the Almond represents a miracle and G-ds Spirit.

The miracle occurred when there was the uprising against Moses and Aaron ( this past parsha) and Moses told the heads of the tribes to bring forth their staffs, one from each tribe, Aaron's staff was to represent Levi. Aaron's staff was found the next morning to have all stages of development of the Almond tree.

It had Sprouted buds (where the flower and fruit would ultimately grow from), Blossoms (flowers) and Almonds. It held all stages of the tree. That is something to study as well.

G-ds Spirit can be seen in the specific instructions to design the menorah. It was made like the one in heaven, thus we see the Menorah is a tree, not on earth but Heaven.

Other things of interest about the Almond

The almond tree is the first tree to sprout and the last one to lose its leaves.

That would follow along with my supposition above that the Almond represents G-d in Heaven.

'First and the last'

Yeshua said this in Revelation

These three things, the buds, flowers and fruit were to be incorporated in the Menorah.

This Menorah is also said to represent the Torah, or the Word of G-d Thus it is separate from the other Grains and Trees of Deut. 8:8

Lulav said:

There are three harvests per year.

You have the Spring, for the Barley, then in Summer, the Wheat harvest . Interestingly enough I was reading something last night about the grape harvest and it actually starts in Israel right after Shavuot and continues until around September/October when we have Sukkot. Other crops come in at that time as well.

1. So in reality you have a designated Spring harvest when the year starts which would be First Fruits following Pasach, which is represented by Yeshua.

2. Then you have the Summer harvest of wheat- which would be around Shavuot, represented by the 3,000 Jews who believed after the Resurrection.

3. Now you have left the Fall harvest, which if indication is correct in the agricultural sense, there are more smaller harvests between the wheat and the final and last harvest of all things growing, which ends with Sukkot.


This is interesting to note as well: "Barley and wheat were planted in the autumn and ripened in spring."
Shavuot celebrates the filling of the storehouses with grain, this is the end of the grains harvest.

Now comes the fruits of the trees and vines--- as you can see below, Grapes from the vine are harvested for four months, following Shavuot, all through till Sukkot. Does this mean there has been an ongoing harvest of believers after the Shavuot following the resurrection?


Check out this chart

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In the Torah we read From Deut 8:8

(7"For the LORD your God is bringing you into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and springs, flowing forth in valleys and hills)

8 a land of wheat and barley, of vines and fig trees and pomegranates, a land of olive oil and honey;
​

Wheat-----------------Grain
Barley-----------------Grain
Grapes ----------------vines
Figs--------------------Tree
Pomegranates--------Tree
Olives------------------Tree
Dates ------------------Tree (honey comes from dates too)

So these amount to SEVEN harvests, now of course they grew other things but this is what it says about the land and I think it's there for more than just promoting these seven things.

So that amounts to

2 Grain harvest
1 Vines harvest
4 Tree harvests

Yeshua said he was the 'True' vine-----------we only have 1 vine harvest

Throughout the bible men are represented by trees

Now taking the fact that the Wheat and Barley are planted in the Fall, could these two grain harvests represent those that come in after the rapture?
I won't derail this thread, I'll start another one on that.

But could you please explain these things you said?

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Amen
Hot or Cold.
Guess which gestates the seed?

gadar perets said:

A better question would be, why didn't Moses include it in Deuteronomy 8:8?

A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey;​

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When time has been spent in the wilderness.
If this is too much to bare,

Numbers 17King James Version (KJV)
17 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and take of every one of them a rod according to the house of their fathers, of all their princes according to the house of their fathers twelve rods: write thou every man's name upon his rod.

3 And thou shalt write Aaron's name upon the rod of Levi: for one rod shall be for the head of the house of their fathers.

4 And thou shalt lay them up in the tabernacle of the congregation before the testimony, where I will meet with you.

5 And it shall come to pass, that the man's rod, whom I shall choose, shall blossom: and I will make to cease from me the murmurings of the children of Israel, whereby they murmur against you.

6 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, and every one of their princes gave him a rod apiece, for each prince one, according to their fathers' houses, even twelve rods: and the rod of Aaron was among their rods.

7 And Moses laid up the rods before the Lord in the tabernacle of witness.

8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds.

9 And Moses brought out all the rods from before the Lordunto all the children of Israel: and they looked, and took every man his rod.

10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

11 And Moses did so: as the Lord commanded him, so did he.

12 And the children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, we die, we perish, we all perish.

13 Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the tabernacle of the Lord shall die: shall we be consumed with dying?


Jacob served for his Bride.
rods and water.
beams and eyes.

pinacled said:

Amen
Hot or Cold.
Guess which gestates the seed?

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Well cold I believe, ever plant a tulip bulbs or other type of bulb and want it to grow out of season? You put it in the refrigerator and give it a 'false' winter.

Lulav said:

Well cold I believe, ever plant a tulip bulbs or other type of bulb and want it to grow out of season? You put it in the refrigerator and give it a 'false' winter.

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Amen.