Daniel's Visions and Interpretations

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"The little horn will come out of the east.
He will go east, south and towards Israel....therefore he will
attack out of the east"


This one will come out of the northern regions of the Middle East [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 8:9-25; 11:36-45] .... north of Israel [Syria/Iraq today] .... he is symbolically called the "Assyrian" in Micah 5:5-6]

Assyria ruled most of the Middle East for 1300 years from Nineveh on the Tigris River
 
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Daniel 8 is where Daniel saw four sections of the Greek kingdom.
Out of one of those sections he saw the little horn show up.
The clues are to see which section he came from.
If it was the section to the north then that won't work, because
if he was in the north, then heading south would also be the
glorious land and that is a different direction from his land.

He waxes great - from his land - that piece of the former
Greek kingdom
to the south - so Israel can't be there
to the east - so Israel can't be there
and to Israel
So he is not from Israel, nor a land to her west or north.

The little horn's land is east of Israel.
Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: (North Africa, Iran, Syria, etc. The Muslim contingent will come against the Anti-Christ and be wiped out) and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,( Russia comes against him also ) with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. (Israel will escape to Petra.)

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. ( Russia and China also come against him it seems. )
 
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If you head back to 11:21 you can see this king of north rise to
power and he will soon go to war with the king of the south/Egypt. It is one land that is the south. After a war there will
be a peace table of sorts, and it shows only the king of the north
leaving from that land. Then soon he will war with the ships of
Chittim/hopefully USA/NATO or such. He will lose, but later he
gains many ships. So that war will not be as the former or the
latter.

Take Daniel 12:1 and place it into chapter 11 where whirlwind
soon enters the glorious land.

North Africa would include Egypt.
Egypt stands for the Islam countries in North Africa and all Islam Countries. Why do they go to war with the Anti-Christ. Well we see they are fanatical about Allah. So what do you think they are going to do when this man sets up images of himself everywhere, demands to be called God, and forces all to take a Mark and serve him or die ? They will PUSH AT HIM, and they will be crushed. This is all North Africa, Saudi Arabia, Syria etc. etc. The base might very well be Syria/Iraq, but Daniel saw North Africa in the vision, because many will come from that area, even if the base is Iraq/Syria and thus he wrote down Egypt.

Russia will come against him also, and be defeated, as will China or Persia, probably China with a 200 Million man army.
 
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I am familiar with your views regarding Israel and the church which you consider to be one and the same today ..... also with the verses that you offer

Replacement theology has been on the block for a long time and it is man made effort to discount Israel position past and future and to appropriate the promises made to the same for themselves .... realized, or unrealized, I see this to be a huge problem for you
I do not espouse 'replacement theology'. What I do believe is that God has opened salvation to everyone, descendants of Jacob or not. The Apostles make this clear.
There is now, therefore, only one righteous people from every tribe, race nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10. Call them what you will: Israelites, the Elect, or just the Lord's people. THEY inherit God's promises to His people.

It is your huge problem to justify a separate Church and Israel, [not the State of Israel] in order to maintain belief in a rapture.
 
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How well I do in pointing out the truths of Bible prophecy, isn't for you to judge. It is for you to carefully read and if what is written doesn't fit with your beliefs, then?
I should post Ezekiel 36:1-38 on the 'Does the Lord's people inhabit the holy Land before the Return', as that chapter is another prophecy proving that His righteous people do go to live there, as God always intended His people be; a light to the nations and preparing the world for the eventual Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign.

Ezekiel 36:1-38
This is what the Lord says about the Land of Israel: Israel, the enemies have gloated over you and you were trampled down when you were occupied by other nations. I will speak to the Land, now plundered and despised by the surrounding nations.
In My burning zeal, I have spoken out against the rest of the nations, especially Edom, for with glee and malice they seized My Land as spoil. Therefore, because Israel has suffered the scorn of the nations, I swear that those nations will in turn suffer scorn.


But you, Land of Israel, bring forth your branches and yield your fruit for My people, [all true Christian believers], for their homecoming is near. See how I will look on you with favour, you will be fruitful. I shall settle on you many people - the whole 12 tribes of Israel, [plus those grafted in] the towns inhabited and the Land prosperous. My people, will live there again, never again to leave. No longer will they suffer the scorn of foreigners.
When ancient Israel was living in the Land, they defiled it by their idolatry. I sentenced them to exile around the world. But I have concern for My Holy Name, so you Israelites, it is not for your sake that I am acting – I shall show My Holiness through you and all the nations will know that I am the Lord.


I shall take you out of the nations, gather you from every land and bring you back to your inheritance. I will purify you of everything that defiles you. You will have a new heart and I will put My spirit within you and you will desire to only follow My Laws.
Then you will live in the Land that I had given to your forefathers. You will be My people and I will be your God. Having saved you from all that defiles you, I shall command the Land to be plentiful, trees will bear abundant fruit and the soil will produce heavy crops. Never again will you suffer famine.


You will recall your wicked conduct and evil deeds and will hate yourself for them. Feel the shame and disgrace of your old ways, people of Israel.
The Lord says: when I have cleansed you of all your wrongdoings, you will settle in the Land and the ruined places will be rebuilt. The Land will be ploughed and sown, no longer a devastation
[after the Sixth Seal event] and rain will come in due season.

The nations still left around you will know that it is I, the Lord who has done this.
The Lord says; once again, I will let the Israelites pray to Me for help. They will become many, as flocks of sheep in the Land. As Jerusalem has flocks of sheep at festival time, so will the towns of Israel be filled with flocks of people.

Then they will know that I am their God. Ref: REB some verses condensed.

The prophet Ezekiel, who was commissioned to prophesy specifically to the House of Israel: Ezekiel 2:3, wrote chapter 36, giving the story of how God will, in His burning zeal, clear the evil neighbours, Jeremiah 12:14, out of all the holy Land. Then, His righteous people will gather and settle in the Land. They will receive God’s Spirit and will live in the Land with great prosperity. They will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the good news of the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
 
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Daniel was either reading these prophecies or
being read to in Daniel 11. He did not watch in a
vision battles. At the end he had to close the book.
The book was the Scripture of truth mentioned at the
end of Daniel 10.
It doesn't matter how God reveals things to us, by vision, by words from an Angel etc. etc. The facts are the same. The Anti-Christ still comes from where he comes.
 
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"How well I do in pointing out the truths of Bible prophecy, isn't for you to judge. It is for you to carefully read and if what is written doesn't fit with your beliefs, then?"

I asked you to interpret Ezekiel 36:1-7 for the forum .... and you went on about nothing .... you failed

Ezekiel 36 is all about a remnant of Israel as a national entity surrounded by the nation's virulent enemies who are the Muslims of the Middle East today .... no gentiles of the other nations in the passage, and not the "church" of today [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; 39]

Are you a messianic Jew of Israel? .... I doubt it, but if you have a different problem by your teaching

You are teaching replacement theology .... that the Lord is finished with Israel as a national entity

He is not .... and the "church" of both a few of Israel and mostly Gentiles of the nations has not replaced a future Israel in the land .... why do you think that Israel's presence is in the Middle East today?

I will give you a hint ..... [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:34-44]
 
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Are you a messianic Jew of Israel? .... I doubt it, but if you have a different problem by your teaching

You are teaching replacement theology .... that the Lord is finished with Israel as a national entity

He is not .... and the "church" of both a few of Israel and mostly Gentiles of the nations has not replaced a future Israel in the land .... why do you think that Israel's presence is in the Middle East today?
I am not a Jew. See my profile on logostelos.info

An accusation that I promote the dreaded 'replacement theology' from you, just shows that you have failed to comprehend what I believe and have posted.
The current Jewish Sate of Israel, is the 'budding of the fig tree'. But those people and the nations surrounding them, face judgement for their apostasy and false religion's.
Sure, Gentile Christians and Messianic Jews, haven't yet replaced the inhabitants of all that area promised to Abraham, but they will and I expect to live to see it happen. Ezekiel 36 tells the story quite plainly.
 
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Here is your mistake

Ezekiel 36 is written to a remnant part of believing Israel who will inhabit the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth at the end of the coming tribulation .... as mortals who will populate the kingdom

You are not an Israelite and this passage of scripture is not directed to you

All true believers in Jesus Christ, dead or alive will be made immortal before the tribulation and will live and rule in His millennial kingdom on the earth as immortal beings, whether Jew or Gentile, and those who become believers during the tribulation will do the same

National Israel and the "church" of Jesus Christ are not one and the same for this reason
 
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National Israel and the "church" of Jesus Christ are not one and the same for this reason
I never said they were the same. But your mistake is thinking there are Two Peoples Two Promises.
There is only one people of God, true Christian believers, be they descendants of Jacob or grafted into the Lord's people. The rest of mankind are godless peoples.
I don't expect that you or other believers in a rapture to heaven, will buy this truth because your theory falls apart unless there is 2P2P.
It isn't just a remnant of people who will go to live in all of the holy Land, it will be 'a vast multitude' of every true Christian. Isaiah 49:8-23, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Micah 7:11-12, Revelation 7:9
 
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I never said they were the same. But your mistake is thinking there are Two Peoples Two Promises

Yes you do

Your error is that you refuse to see the difference between the promise of eternal life and the promise for national Israel to be the ruling kingdom upon the earth during the Lord's coming millennial kingdom

These two promises are very different

There is one promise of the first to all who believe, Jew or Gentile

But the second promise is for national Israel alone and not the Gentiles of the nations

A remnant of Israel has been returned to the land of Israel in the Middle East today and for the Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth from which He will rule the earth for 1000 years

Israel is in unbelief today, but this condition is going to change and a believing remanent will prevail over the nations of the Gentiles during the period

This all has to do with national positioning and not necessarily the Lord's salvation related to His gift of eternal life for all regardless of ethnic identity

Your failure to see this differentiation causes you to misapply many passages of scripture as I read your postings .... Revelation 12 is a big one .... you are not of national Israel "the woman" .... and the prophecy does not apply to you

You want to be in the prophecy because you think you will adventure the tribulation period so that you can be purified, but you are not of national Israel in the vision

And when you do this kind of thing you also attempt to build a case against the Lord's intent to immortalize His "church" before His coming wrath and tribulation against a world of unbelief which includes Israel for their turning as a nation during the period [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 20:33-44]

If I didn't know better I would have to guess that you are either a member of the SDA organization or a spin off of the same .... the things you say on this forum are taught by the SDA

Do not be deceived by the false teaching of a Christian cult .... it is a trap

Another anti-rapture cult is that of the Shepard's Chapel of Arnold Murray

All who hold this insidious dogma are vulnerable to the concoctions of the devil himself to prevent you from the Lord's action to immortalize His true "church" .... denying the Lord's promise on this issue will keep you from the same

It is Satan who is telling you that Lord's promise of eternal salvation by His grace is a lie and that you must enter the period of the Lord's coming wrath and tribulation in order to be "purified" for your saving
 
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Your failure to see this differentiation causes you to misapply many passages of scripture as I read your postings .... Revelation 12 is a big one .... you are not of national Israel "the woman" .... and the prophecy does not apply to you
Because you must have a 'national Israel' and the Church separate to maintain your belief in a rapture, it is you that misapplies scriptures.
Prophesies and teachings like Isaiah 51:1-2, Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 3:26-29, make it clear that all true Christian believers, Revelation 5:10, are deemed by God to be Israelites. There is only one people of God, the rest of the world, of whatever ethnicity, are godless peoples.
Revelation 12 does identify national Israel as the original 'woman', who does give birth to Jesus, the man child. We know they rejected and killed Him. She now represents all the true followers of Jesus, taken to safety during the GT, and her offspring, as per Revelation 12:17.
You want to be in the prophecy because you think you will adventure the tribulation period so that you can be purified, but you are not of national Israel in the vision
That comment is a rather nasty insinuation of my hopes and desires.
I know that I am an Israelite, by grafting in and quite possibly by descent as well. [from the tribe of Asher, who migrated to Scotland.] And I know that I will go to my heritage in the holy Land, as I have received a vision of that.
I look forward with great anticipation to the time we will all live there, being God's witnesses and His light to the nations. Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 43:10
NOT to a rapture removal to heaven; to do what? There is no real purpose for God to take living people to heaven, He has plenty of angels to serve Him there. We are earthly creatures, our destiny is here and doing God's will here is our greatest objective.
 
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It is the Lord who has intended this truth and the scriptures are replete defining the same
What the Lord intended is clearly explained by Paul in Ephesians 2:11-18....for He has made the two one, through the Cross....
Your determination to maintain a separation between Jewish and gentile believers, is contrary to Biblical teaching.

Your entrapment into the rapture theory, is plain and that delusion is bad enough, but you compound your error by promoting it. The Bible prophets, including Jesus, are quite plain about God's plans for His people and taking them alive to heaven is never stated as an option.
From your responses, it is evident to me and all who read these posts, that you have no concrete or plainly stated scriptures to support a rapture. You, therefore resort to personal attacks and false accusations. This places you down to the level of an accuser of the brethren.

This thread is about Daniel's visions. In Daniel 12:1-3 he states: there will be a terrible time of anguish, such as has never been known before. But at that time everyone whose name is in the Book of Life, will be delivered and some of the dead will be raised.
We know the dead in Christ will be raised at His Return, Revelation 20:4. So it is only at the Return, that those true Christians, as noted in the Book of Life, Malachi 3:16-17, will receive their rewards and then live with Jesus for the 1000 years.
Time to realize, before too late, that you rapture believers have been deceived by a lie, a construct that leads to complacency and a careless attitude. Who do you think, would want Christians to think like that?
 
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The devil has you singing his song
So this is your song then:
I don't care what happens to the Jews
or those ignorant enough to think God's plan
is something other than taking me to heaven.
I will sit on a cloud, watching the world in turmoil below.

This pretentious idea simply does not fit anywhere in scripture. Daniel 12:10 tells us that we must be purified and made shining white and verse 12 says; Happy are those who wait and live to see the completion at the end.
 
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