Why are most christians against asylum seekers?

The "asylum seekers" are not screened properly——-aside from terrorists coming in, there are thousands of refugees who are positive for tuberculosis——thousands were sent to Minnesota—-that doesn't include several other contagious diseases.

Does anyone think Sharia Law is compatible with our Constitution?
Also, religion and the State are not separated in Islam thinking and practice.
In matters political——-rather obvious, Islam is a system despotism at home and aggression abroad.
Persecussion of Jews and Christians are examples of their fanatical and religious spirit.

Common sense would inticate——that such refugee/asylum seekers should be well "vetted" before entry….nes't pas?

mikpat said:

The "asylum seekers" are not screened properly——-aside from terrorists coming in, there are thousands of refugees who are positive for tuberculosis——thousands were sent to Minnesota—-that doesn't include several other contagious diseases.

Does anyone think Sharia Law is compatible with our Constitution?
Also, religion and the State are not separated in Islam thinking and practice.
In matters political——-rather obvious, Islam is a system despotism at home and aggression abroad.
Persecussion of Jews and Christians are examples of their fanatical and religious spirit.

Common sense would inticate——that such refugee/asylum seekers should be well "vetted" before entry….nes't pas?

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That is the very point that Donald Trump is making when he said that the US should ban the entry of all muslims into this country. There is no way to vet these people.

dude99 said:

Why it seems most Christians are against asylum seekers? For the political parties most Chrisitans support are the parties who are are openly stating to deport asylum seekers and even refuse to accomodate people that have fled their own countries due to war and persecution. Anyway Jesus Christ himself was a refugee.

It seems the people I personally know that are most passionate about the rights of asylum seekers are not Christian at all. Unlike some Chrisitans I come accross who believe that asylum seekers should be deported from the country.

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Are you aware there is a difference? Between Asylum seeking, Economic Migrants, and Refugees?

MWood said:

That is the very point that Donald Trump is making when he said that the US should ban the entry of all muslims into this country. There is no way to vet these people.

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How does Mr.Trump propose identifying the Muslims that seek entry? Are they to self-identify? Are they to be identified by their country of origin? Profiling?

dude99 said:

Why it seems most Christians are against asylum seekers? For the political parties most Chrisitans support are the parties who are are openly stating to deport asylum seekers and even refuse to accomodate people that have fled their own countries due to war and persecution. Anyway Jesus Christ himself was a refugee.

It seems the people I personally know that are most passionate about the rights of asylum seekers are not Christian at all. Unlike some Chrisitans I come accross who believe that asylum seekers should be deported from the country.

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First, I'd be interested in where in the Bible it says that Jesus was a refugee. Second, have you asked yourself WHY most Muslim countries have not accepted the asylum-seekers? (Hint: National security concerns.) Those who are really concerned (as opposed to those who wish only to engage in "philosophical" debate) can minister to the asylum-seekers directly (volunteer) or indirectly (monetary support).

Sucertainly Of Swing said:

Because of the potential risk the asylum seekers aren't who they say they are, and actually are working for ISIS. ISIS cells have been found along migrant populations in Europe already.

Further, how many should be taken in? Considerations should be made for the local culture and how it will impact our own society if we take in too many.

Germany took in a whopping 1 million migrants.

Now the German minister has to issue a warning to migrants about polygamy and their child marriages: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36537305

And I'm sure you've heard of the Cologne rapes where many women were sexually assaulted at a festival, by migrants who crowded around them.

And lastly, on Jesus being a refugee, where did He flee to? Ah yes, Egypt. Jesus didn't take a boat and go all the way to Britannia. He just went to a neighbouring country. There is no reason why the migrants have to travel all across Europe and pick their favourite country to settle down in.

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These are certainly answers but they don't seem to have anything that would set them apart as "Christian". My belief is that Christians are different, set apart. Part of that involves following the examples and teaching of the bible. That means we make our decisions based on theology, not philosophy. While it's damaging to interpret a 2000 plus old document as though it was written today, one of the consistent themes in the bible is compassion and care for sojurners. Much of what's done in the name of Christ and Christianity has nothing to do with either.

[QUOTE="football5680, post: 69752293, member: 324491God's king in a bunch of these people is a security risk and it isn't like we are simply ignoring them because the US has donated a large amount of money to deal with the crisis. The government would be doing a disservice to the people who elected them by putting them at risk in this way. The goal should be to contain them until the war is over and then they can go back to their own country and with this being the goal, it wouldn't make sense to transport them pretty much as far away as possible from their country.

Germany has already shown us the consequences so we should learn from their mistakes instead of repeating them.[/QUOTE]

If we are living as salt and light, what we are is God's voice and hands on this earth. That means we will find ourselves far more frequently in opposition to earthly powers (and there's no way I can see government in any other way) than not. We are not to use the government, of all things, as an example of what we should do or how we should feel. We've got a far better example to follow.

[QUdon't "mindlight, post: 69753886, member: 21246"]Most Christians I know support compassion towards asylum seekers. My own church runs games evenings and language courses to help these people out.

But it one thing to welcome Christians fleeing Muslim persecution or for that matter broken human beings fleeing Muslim persecution. It is another to oppose large scale economic migrations from failed muslim countries in North Africa or radical Islamic or criminal infiltration. Christians can be on both sides depending on their experiences but I think a proper Christian position must balance these considerations.[/QUOTE]

I don't think we've got any biblical basis for showing compassion to one person and not another. Yes, this can certainly seem foolish but that's what sometimes will happen if we're following God's teaching.

Southwon't nd said:

First, because most "asylum seekers" are not seeking asylum.

Second, because the "asylum seekers" are overwhelmingly Muslim men of fighting age.

Third, because the asylum seekers are disproportionately Muslim.

Fourth, because we're already being overwhelmed with illegal aliens crossing our border and a government who will not enforce the law.

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I hope this won't come across like I'm trying to tell you what you've got to believe; I don't want to do that. What I do want to do, though, is point out that none of the reasons you're showing with regard to the asylum issue are based on Christian principles. They're fine from a human, social perspective but, as often is true, Christians are taught to be different. If we're answering the question to talk about why Christians do or believe something, we have to stay focused on theology (God's teaching) rather than philosophy or some other human reasoning.

martinlb said:

Yes, this can certainly seem foolish but that's what sometimes will happen if we're following God's teaching.

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This teaching? ". . . be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."

Williameisn't post: 69757451 said:

We still have thousands of homeless people that were unable to feed, how can we feed others when we're unable to feed our own. If we were a stable nation, I'd understand but we're not. Not to mention that it's ISIS would use the flood of refugees to sneak in.

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I don't believe that as Christians we can think of what is "ours" (our responsibility) the same way other people do. We're told what to do, how to live, and so on. Boarders aren't any part of that.

[QUOTE="brinny, post: 69759628, member:incredibly]The mentor you mentioned sounds very wise.

Negligence and standing by while evil spreads and grows is abominable to God, and is akin to bowing down to evil. It is also cowardice.

We are to stand strong against evil. Otherwise we collude with it.

That is not of God.[/QUOTE]

We do really well to keep in mind how incredibly subtle evil can be. It presents itself daily in the guise of wisdom, righteousness and godliness. What appears to be angels isn't always so and the way to tell is to pay close attention to the message. Sometimes standing strong against evil comes back down to us being light and salt.

mikpat said:

Does anyone think Sharia Law is compatible with our Constitution?

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No.

Let's bring back the country our founders created, observing the Constitution line upon line, letter upon letter. Let's read it and the Declaration of Independence once every semester in our schools, public, private, university, graduate, Ph.D., M.D. Let's remember that Church-state separation is freedom from federal, state and local intervention in Christian observances. Let every congregation across the USA SING OUT for Liberty, Peace and Justice for the Church. Let every Pastor appear on TV and radio; write letters to the editor; contact each member of the House and Senate; flood city, county and state government with "We ain't gonna take it anymore!"

Let's tell the world that we are not a dumping ground for those who can be settled in the Middle East by the powers that are there, not us, among those of their religious convictions, culture, and language.

dude99 said:

Why it seems most Christians are against asylum seekers? For the political parties most Chrisitans support are the parties who are are openly stating to deport asylum seekers and even refuse to accomodate people that have fled their own countries due to war and persecution. Anyway Jesus Christ himself was a refugee.

It seems the people I personally know that are most passionate about the rights of asylum seekers are not Christian at all. Unlike some Chrisitans I come accross who believe that asylum seekers should be deported from the country.

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Read the OP, skipping right down to "here" to chime in. I realize I am blazing past 8+ pages of . . . conversation.

It depends on the "flavor" of Christians you know. Me, I am an anarchist. . . I believe nations maintain borders to manipulate trade for the benefit of corporations that pay their government & borders serve no purpose for "citizens" .. . . merely having a different political party in charge can render a corporation's huge campaign contributions moot & thus the borders serve them no purpose beyond the possibility of capitalizing when they do have the upper hand. So borders do more harm than good & contribute to the war machines that governments use to leverage human rights. So. . . I am pretty open to people crossing whatever borders they need to to secure a better life. .. regardless of legal hurdles.

At the same time, I find it really annoying to have a subordinate that can't follow easy directions at work . . . in my country's language. I don't care what country or how legal someone is . . if I say "push this, this way, because the machine will jam if you don't" and demonstrate the action repeatedly & cue repeatedly and in a 12 hour shift, get someone who speaks the other language to explain it & the guy still won't just push the thing that keeps two of my assembly lines from jamming . . . . it isn't that I love my borders or hate asylum seekers. . . . I just want my job to be supported by subordinates that will follow simple directions. I want the guy to be fired and replaced, not because I don't like Latinos, but because my production numbers depend on subordinates doing the job related tasks I ask of them. One of my engineers doesn't speak much English, but we communicate very well through gesture. I wish I spoke Japanese, but as his subordinate, I do my best to understand his intents and anticipate his job needs. I know he is here legally & that has nothing to do with why I like working with him. He tries to communicate & I try . . . it is clear we are on the same team and trying to meet the same objectives. Bonuses are based on company profit. . . so. . . anyway. . . I am glad to have one foreign guy I work with and unhappy about the other, has nothing to do with their legal status & everything to do with "what they bring to the job"

Luke17:37 said:

One thing interesting about Ezekiel is that he was sent to preach to his own people, the house of Israel, who should have known the truth about God. But their hearts were hard, and even though God commanded Ezekiel to preach, they mostly wouldn't listen.

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Well said. Thanks for that!

Luke17:37 said:

One thing interesting about Ezekiel is that he was sent to preach to his own people, the house of Israel, who should have known the truth about God. But their hearts were hard, and even though God commanded Ezekiel to preach, they mostly wouldn't listen.

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HEY! GOOD POST!
What was the result ? (Any remedy ?)
History is repeating itself ! (We need the remedy! )

martinlb said:

I hope this won't come across like I'm trying to tell you what you've got to believe; I don't want to do that. What I do want to do, though, is point out that none of the reasons you're showing with regard to the asylum issue are based on Christian principles.

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In your opinion. I believe the Bible is very clear that nations may have borders, secure those borders, and enforce the law.

thatbrian said:

This teaching? ". . . be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."

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Yes, absolutely!

South Bound said:

In your opinion. I believe the Bible is very clear that nations may have borders, secure those borders, and enforce the law.

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That's true. In fact, He established nations, and what are nations without borders?

"From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands." (Acts 17:26)