EU, changes coming? BREXIT

Douggg · Jun 9, 2016

Big vote coming up in Britain to leave the EU at the end of June, June 23. BREXIT (Bristish Exixt).

BREXIT, for-running of the formation of the ten leader European Government?

This is an eye opener to how the EU works! EU Parliment cannot even create laws - unlike the purpose of our Congress.

keras · Jun 9, 2016

So what?
European politics have nothing to do with Bible prophecy.

Douggg · Jun 9, 2016

keras said:
So what?
European politics have nothing to do with Bible prophecy.

June 23. We will see, what follows.

stephen583 · Jun 10, 2016

I follow international news several times a day. My cable deal includes several international news programs, in addition to daily televised NPR/PBS discussions about international topics which host recognized geopolitical experts and analysts on their programs. Of course, the Brexit vote has been a predominate subject of discussion lately.

The overwhelming consensus is Britain won't risk the economic and social instability of exiting the E.U. (not at present). The consequences would just be too grave. It could send the already struggling British economy into an unprecedented decline and depression. Foreign trade contracts with remaining E.U. members would out of necessity have to be renegotiated. During the interim period of adjustment, extreme instability would ensue. So although the referendum vote plays well to a certain segments of the British public, in reality, it doesn't stand a prayer of being passed.

In other words, it's probably a False Alarm. But if, by some inconceivable event Brexit does pass, It will (according to most experts) probably herald the demise of the E.U. and the collapse of the NATO Alliance. So it definitely bears watching.

Douggg · Jun 10, 2016

stephen583 said:
I follow international news several times a day. My cable deal includes several international news programs, in addition to daily televised NPR/PBS discussions about international topics which host recognized geopolitical experts and analysts on their programs. Of course, the Brexit vote has been a predominate subject of discussion lately.

The overwhelming consensus is Britain won't risk the economic and social instability of exiting the E.U. (not at present). The consequences would just be too grave. It could send the already struggling British economy into an unprecedented decline and depression. Foreign trade contracts with remaining E.U. members would out of necessity have to be renegotiated. During the interim period of adjustment, extreme instability would ensue. So although the referendum vote plays well to a certain segments of the British public, in reality, it doesn't stand a prayer of being passed.

In other words, it's probably a False Alarm. But if, by some inconceivable event Brexit does pass, It will (according to most experts) probably herald the demise of the E.U. and the collapse of the NATO Alliance. So it definitely bears watching.

Islam and unrestricted immigration - I don't see how Britain doesn't exit.

stephen583 · Jun 11, 2016

I don't necessarily see how the immigration policy of individual nations and EU membership are linked. Some EU countries like Germany have very liberal immigration policies for people escaping persecution, (It's written into Germany's Post WWII Constitution and has nothing to do with the EU) and other EU countries have more strict immigration policies. All that public information is available on-line, where you can compare one country to another. In fact, Turkey is being paid by some EU countries and East European countries to warehouse refugees in detention camps and turn others back.

Austria and Denmark and have already dramatically reduced Moslem immigration in 2016, while Finland has banned any further Moslem immigration altogether. Even in Germany, which has the most liberal policy and the greatest number of Moslem immigrants, Moslems only represent 19% of the population. 81 % of the population of Germany are Non-Moslems.

However, I don't mean to downplay the refugee problem in Europe. Europe is undeniably facing the worst refugee crisis it has seen since the Second World War. The crisis is putting tremendous political and economic stress on the EU and possibly the NATO alliance in the not too distant future. The second wave of refugees in the summer of 2016 is only going to amplify the problem.

Personally, I don't know why more countries haven't adopted policies similar to Australia, which only accepts Christian refugees and those who can prove they are really victims of religious and political persecution.. not just economic refugees using asylum laws to immigrate.

Am I concerned about Islamic terrorists using immigration and asylum laws to infiltrate the West ? Of course I am, but I'm far more concerned by the organized terrorist networks who are being assisted and supported by governments like Pakistan, Egypt, Iran and Saudi Arabia in obtaining visas and passports to travel abroad. Some lone Pro-Isis supporter who infiltrates Europe or America and uses a knife to stab people on a subway scares me a whole lot less than a state sponsored group of terrorists hijacking a jet liner and crashing it into a nuclear power plant. But that's just me.

I really don't see radical Islam (which only represents less than 10 % of Moslems worldwide) as representing much of a real threat to the world. However, if NATO collapses, and Russia makes a move to annex the Ukraine, the Baltic States, Poland and declares war on Turkey... Well that's a Third World War. That's gonna' make the threat of Islamic Terrorism look like a walk in the park on a sunny day. I think all this hysteria about the rise of an Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East distracts from the REAL threat.

Douggg · Jun 13, 2016

stephen583 said:
I don't necessarily see how the immigration policy of individual nations and EU membership are linked. Some EU countries like Germany have very liberal immigration policies for people escaping persecution, (It's written into Germany's Post WWII Constitution and has nothing to do with the EU) and other EU countries have more strict immigration policies. All that public information is available on-line, where you can compare one country to another. In fact, Turkey is being paid by some EU countries and East European countries to warehouse refugees in detention camps and turn others back.

Stephen, you are not understanding the problem. When a country belongs to the EU, there is no immigration policy of individual countries. In similarity to if you live in Ohio, you are not restricted to go and live in North Carolina. England is getting flooded with persons from other EU countries moving into England.

Islam is a immigration issue plus a religious issue of mulsims creating their own non-muslim don't enter communiites- because we are going to harass you and do violence.

You can do some You Tube seaches on both issues. Nigel Farage is a good one to listen to on the immigration issue (lack of restrictions) of England being flooded by persons coming to live in England from other parts of the EU.

I would be really suprised if England doesn't decide to leave the EU. If England does leave the EU, it could trigger a crisis in the EU currency - the EURO - becoming worth less. There are some big time problems going on in the financial setting over there in Europe. Coupled with the Muslim, Islam situation - it is very volatile, imo.

The Antichrist is not going to be a musim, agreed, but what is going on in Europe building resentment against Islam is laying the ground work for when the little horn does come to power, he will have European support for his decision to thwart Gog/Magog, making the person appear to Israel as being her messiah, following Gog/Magog.

2/3 of the bilderbergers group meeting in Dresden this June are from Europe. They are probably worried about their wealth(which is also their power) being threatened if England leaves the EU.

Handmaid for Jesus · Jun 13, 2016

Does the EU have a President or Prime Minister?

Douggg · Jun 13, 2016

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Does the EU have a President or Prime Minister?

The entire EU government is confusing. There are seven decision making bodies in the EU - compared to the three branches of US government. I look at their government as a bunch of committees.

There are three presidents in the EU. There is no one guy over everyone, equivalent to our U.S president, or Prime minister of England, or Prime minister of Canada.

1. The president of the European Parliament - Martin Schulz
2. The president of the European Council - Donald Tush
3. The president of the European Commission - Jean Cluade Juncker
(all the above based in Brussels)

What is confusing is there is a "European Council" and a "Council of the European Union" which also sounds the same, are two different institutions.

4. Council of the European Union (based in Brussels)
5. Court of Justice of the European Union (based in Luxembourg)
6. European Central Bank (based in Franfurt)
7. European Court of Auditors (based in Luxembourg)

Handmaid for Jesus · Jun 13, 2016

Douggg said:
The entire EU government is confusing. There are seven decision making bodies in the EU - compared to the three branches of US government. I look at their government as a bunch of committees.

There are three presidents in the EU. There is no one guy over everyone, equivalent to our U.S president, or Prime minister of England..

1. The president of the European Parliament - Martin Schulz
2. The president of the European Council - Donald Tush
3. The president of the European Commission - Jean Cluade Juncker

What is confusing is there is a "European Council" and a "Council of the European Union" which also sounds the same, are two different institutions.

4. Council of the European Union
5. Court of Justice of the European Union
6. European Central Bank
7. European Court of Auditors

Wow!

Yes that is very confusing. God is NOT the author confusion.

Douggg · Jun 13, 2016

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Wow! Yes that is very confusing. God is NOT the author confusion.

Sounds like Babel to me. Their parliament building is even architecturally made after the Tower of Babel.
Do an image search on line for EU parliament building, you will see what I mean.

Handmaid for Jesus · Jun 13, 2016

Douggg said:
Sounds like Babel to me. Their parliament building is even architecturally made after the Tower of Babel.
Do an image search on line for EU parliament building, you will see what I mean.

Oh, I have seen the building.And Babel means confusion. Hmm. I wonder what message they are trying to send with that building? :scratch:

stephen583 · Jun 13, 2016

Douggg said:
Islam is a immigration issue plus a religious issue of mulsims creating their own non-muslim don't enter communiites- because we are going to harass you and do violence.

I don't know where you get that information from. In most European countries (especially France) newly arrived refugees have absolutely no choice whatsoever about where they do, or don't live. In France, newly arrived refugees are systematically forced into low income ghettos (Moslem areas) where they are exposed to a lack of services and opportunity.

Radicalization under those circumstances is understandable and virtually guaranteed. How would you like to arrive in a country with a degree in mechanical engineering, or medicine and only be able to get a job cleaning restroom toilets ? How would you like living in an overcrowded ghetto ? Wouldn't be hard to radicalize you, now would it ?! The problem with radicalization, lies with racism and religious intolerance... Not with the Moslem religion.

I lived in Houston Texas for several years. There are many Moslem mosques there, and there are no Moslem only communities. I visited several mosques and identified myself as a Christian, and was welcomed warmly in every one of them. In one instance, my car broke down in downtown Houston after dark. I had no money, or cell phone on me. There were several Christian Churches nearby.. all closed and locked. I noticed the lights on in a mosque and knocked on the door. They let me make a phone call, and insisted I remain there with them for safety until my nephew arrived.

There actually are good Moslems in the world. Did you know that universally characterizing a single group of people as all being EVIL, is one of the signs psychologists use to determine "mental illness" ??? All policemen are crooked, all politicians lie, all women are morally loose, colored people are morally inferior to white people, ect. ect.

That kind of talk with a psychologist, will get you a 500 milligram injection of Thorazine and an extended stay in a rubber room at a state mental hospital.

Douggg · Jun 13, 2016

Stephen wrote........

There actually are good Moslems in the world. Did you know that universally characterizing a single group of people as all being EVIL, is one of the signs psychologists use to determine "mental illness" ??? All policemen are crooked, all politicians lie, all women are morally loose, colored people are morally inferior to white people, ect. ect.

That kind of talk with a psychologist, will get you a 500 milligram injection of Thorazine and an extended stay in a rubber room at a state mental hospital.

Is Islam, good? No. Islam is a Satanic based religion, which lies about Jesus dying on the cross, and God's salvation for humanity. God is going to judge Islam for its lies and violence. Is God wrong? Does God have a "mental illness" ? How many "good" muslims have eternal life?

Go to You Tube and search Muslim problem in France, or in England, or in Europe.... and watch a few of the scores of those videos. Educate yourself. There is tremendous resentment growing in Europe against Islam - for good reason. I am saying to you what is going on in Europe - educate yourself - I am not debating over the virtues of Islam - there are none.

For the record, I hate Islam.

Regarding the Brexit....

Hazrus · Jun 14, 2016

stephen583 said:
Personally, I don't know why more countries haven't adopted policies similar to Australia, which only accepts Christian refugees and those who can prove they are really victims of religious and political persecution.. not just economic refugees using asylum laws to immigrate.

This might be a thread hijack, but as an Australian Christian I hate our Government's refugee policy. I think it is the opposite of what Christ would want.
(Thanks for letting me get that off my chest)

Douggg · Jun 14, 2016

Hazrus said:
This might be a thread hijack, but as an Australian Christian I hate our Government's refugee policy. I think it is the opposite of what Christ would want.
(Thanks for letting me get that off my chest)

Yes, we need our moments of release....

stephen583 · Jun 14, 2016

Hazrus said:
This might be a thread hijack, but as an Australian Christian I hate our Government's refugee policy. I think it is the opposite of what Christ would want.

Perhaps I don't know enough about Australia's immigration policy towards Middle Eastern applicants to speak about it (not being Australian myself). I have heard Australia gives a preference for accepting the immigration of Arab/Christians as opposed to Arab/Moslems. I believe many European countries have the exact opposite policy, because they think they are protecting the Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant Churches from competing with the encroachment of Middle Eastern Christian denominations in Europe.

The reason I feel this is so bad, is because Jesus specifically warned one of the signs of the End Times would be when Christians began persecuting and betraying fellow Christians, (Matthew 24:9-10). Right now, in Syria and Iraq fellow Arab/Christians are being taken into captivity, crucified and beheaded by ISIS. They are also being killed as collateral damage, as Iraqi forces try to retake cities captured by ISIS. At the same time they are being exterminated by the Russians (Our Ally in The War on Terror ?) as "anti-Assad forces in Syria. Escape from Iraq and Syria isn't much of a salvation. Arab Christians are being warehoused in refugee camps throughout the Middle East, Turkey and Eastern Europe, where they suffer from exposure, hunger, beatings, religious discrimination, rape and even murder by their fellow Moslem refugees.

These circumstances are well documented by many international aid organizations and are not the stuff of anti-Moslem propaganda. For this reason, I believe there should be a priority by all nations to aid Arab/Christian refugees first, because they are not only in danger in the countries from which they are fleeing, as a persecuted minority, they are also in danger in the refugee camps as well.

By the way, I am not anti-Moslem by any stretch. I know full well 90 % of the Moslem people in the world are peace loving and good people. However, the other 10 % (Islamic extremists) would cut the head off an Arab/Christian in a heartbeat.

Brian45 · Jun 14, 2016

stephen583 said:
By the way, I am not anti-Moslem by any stretch. I know full well 90 % of the Moslem people in the world are peace loving and good people. However, the other 10 % (Islamic extremists) would cut the head off an Arab/Christian in a heartbeat.

You forget 9/11 when the media went around the middle eastern nations and showed them all cheering and dancing in the streets with absolute joy , men women and children , sorry but your 10% sucks.

MasterRich · Jun 14, 2016

I got my postal vote today and I am voting to leave. From what I have heard from my mom, our town/county is voting to leave. She believes that we are going to end up with a Brexit. Whether this has anything to do with the fall of the EU know one knows but I am doing what I feel is right to get out of this Evil EU controlling system and the flood of people into our country without control. I have supported Farage since our last election and he is the only one who is standing up for us. Whatever happens, everything is in God's hands and he is in control.

Hazrus · Jun 14, 2016

stephen583 said:
Perhaps I don't know enough about Australia's immigration policy towards Middle Eastern applicants to speak about it (not being Australian myself). I have heard Australia gives a preference for accepting the immigration of Arab/Christians as opposed to Arab/Moslems.

Yes it does. The reason for this is political pressure. Muslims have been demonised (pardon the term!) in Australia and the people are scared. It has nothing to do with Christianity. We are not a Christian nation by any stretch.

Anyway, to get back on topic, I checked the betting odds for the Brexit. All major betting agencies are predicting the UK will leave, however it is close.
Source: http://www.oddschecker.com/politics...referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result

Please note I do not condone betting/gambling.

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