Do the Lord's people inhabit the Land before the Return?

I trust we can now have rational and reasoned discussions on the subject of God's plan to have a people in His holy Land, who will do what He always wanted; be a light to the nations and to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.

Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord, a sweeping whirlwind, coming down onto the heads of the wicked. The Lords anger will not be turned aside, it will accomplish His purposes. In days to come, you will understand. [This is the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17]

Jeremiah 31:1-6 At that time, I shall be the God of all the families of Israel and they will be My people, a people that have escaped the sword and found favour in the wilderness. From afar God has appeared to Israel. He loves and cares for them and will build them up again. Once again, they will be happy and the Land will be fruitful. They will worship God in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 20:34-36
[The great story of the redemption of all Israel, true descendants of Jacob and those grafted in. God’s people will live in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in peace and prosperity. They will build the new Temple and worship similar to the ancient days. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 40 to 48]

Jeremiah 31:7-9 The Lord says: be joyful for Jacob’s sake, sing praises and say: God has saved His people, He has preserved a remnant of Israel. See how He brings them from all parts of the earth, among them the blind and the lame, women and children. A vast company, they come with weeping and prayer, God will comfort and escort them. He will lead them by streams of water, on smooth paths, for He is the Father to Israel and Ephraim is His eldest son. Isaiah 11:11-13, Isaiah 62:10-12
[Israel and Judah, scattered around the world. Their remnant is “a vast company”. So, if the remnant could be several million, then it must be that the descendants of Jacob are now 100s of millions. Zechariah 8:4-13, Isaiah 49:19-20]

Jeremiah 31:10-14 Listen to the Word of the Lord, you nations, make it known to people far away. He who scattered Israel, will gather them again and will watch over them as a shepherd watches over his flock. For God has redeemed Jacob [the 12 tribes] and delivered them from their enemies. His righteous people will come with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:14-15
[God’s people’s enemies will be defeated, then they will be gathered and settled into Greater Israel, all that area promised to Abraham, so long ago. Ezekiel 47:13-23]

Jeremiah 31:15-20 Rachel weeps for her children. [Rachel is the mother of Jacob/ Israel] Shed no more tears, for they will leave the nations and return to their own Land. God has disciplined Ephraim, like an unruly bull calf. After Ephraim strayed, he repented and now in shame and remorse, reproaches himself for the sins of his youth. God says: Ephraim is still My dear son, in whom I delight, I still remember him and have compassion for him. Hosea 11:8-9
[Bull in Hebrew= aegel, became Angle, then Anglo-Saxon. Saxon= Isaac’s sons. Ephraim, the British peoples, ( Hebrew – Brit-ish means Covenant people) was the leader of the 10 tribes finally exiled in 718/717 BCE. 2730 years ago, that is: 390 X 7 Ezekiel 4:4, Leviticus 26:18]

Jeremiah 31:21-22 Set up signs to mark your way, the path for your return. Come back virgin Israel to your towns. How long will you wander, My wayward child? Isaiah 63:17-19 This will happen: a woman will protect a man.

Jeremiah 31:23-25 The Lord says: When I bring My people back from exile, they will live in all the Land and be satisfied. Once more will these words be heard in the Land; God bless you, the home of righteousness, the holy mountain. Ezekiel 39:27
[‘the Holy mountain’ –the Temple mount. The 3rd Temple will be built and the ordinances reinstated, until the Return of Jesus. 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Revelation 11:1-2]

Jeremiah 31:26-28 The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will plant Israel and Judah then increase their people and livestock. In the past My intent was to uproot and inflict disaster upon them, now I shall watch over them, to build and plant. Micah 7:11-12
[The sins of the forefathers are expiated by the Israelites long exile. Isaiah 27:7-9]


Jeremiah 31:29-30 It will no longer be said that children will suffer for their parents sins. Only those who sin will be punished for it. Ezekiel 18:20
Jeremiah 31:31-34 The days are coming when I shall establish a new covenant with Israel and Judah. It will not be like the one that I made with their forefathers, when I took them out of Egypt, that covenant they broke, though I was patient with them. This will be the new Covenant that I will make with the whole House of Israel, in the latter days; I shall set My Law within them, in their hearts, all of them will know and obey Me. I will forgive and forget their wrongdoing. Ezekiel 37:26

Jeremiah 31:35-37 The Lord says: As the sun and stars are set in their courses, as the wind and the sea roars- only if this fixed order changes, then, no more could Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me. Micah 7:19-20, Isaiah 14:1-2

Jeremiah 31:39-40 The days are coming when Jerusalem will be rebuilt in My honour. It will be holy to Me, never again to be demolished. Micah 7:11, Jeremiah 30:18
Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

This passage from the book of the prophet Jeremiah, tells the story of how the Lord will punish the unrighteous by a fire judgement, then how His people, from every nation and language, Galatians 3:26-28, will once again live in the Land that He promised to their ancestors.
The Lord will make a new covenant with them, in order for His people to fulfil their destiny to be “a light to the nations”, and to spread to gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. This will be carried out by the 144,000 as described in Revelation. The precursor to this is in Luke 10:1-20; the 72 sent out then, will become 72 + 72 x 1000= 144,000. Isaiah 46:6, Isaiah 66:19

They will live in peace and security for several years, in the new country of Beulah, all of the holy Land area promised to Abraham so long ago. Ezekiel 34:24-31, Joel 2:23-27
When they are settled and prosperous, the Lord will motivate a Northern confederation to come and attack Beulah, Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 39:1-2. They will be totally wiped out by the Lord, Ezekiel 38:21-22, Ezekiel 39:3-5, Joel 2:20. This is in order to display His glory and power to all the nations. Ezekiel 38:23, Ezekiel 39:21

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will slowly recover from the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Day of the Lord’s wrath and they will form a One World Government, initially controlled by ten Presidents, but another man will rise to take dictatorial powers. He makes a seven year peace treaty with Beulah, that not all the Beulahites agree with. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32

This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age. At the middle of this time, the World Dictator comes to Jerusalem and forcibly places his image in the Temple. Daniel 11:31 This triggers the 3½ year Great Tribulation, the Trumpet and Bowl judgements. Those Beulahites who refused any dealings with the ‘beast’ - Revelation 13:1-5, are taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 After that, will come the culmination of this age – the Return of Jesus, He will destroy the armies mustered for battle in Armageddon. Revelation 16:16, Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Then, to reign on earth for 1000 years. Zechariah 14:6-11

Great will be that time!

I trust that people can read and understand prophesies like the above: The Lord's people will come with great joy into the Land of plenty and peace.
Because other ideas and theories have been taught about the role of Christians in the end times, that doesn't preclude the prophesies clearly stating how all true believers will gather and live in the holy Land before the Return, in order for them to prepare the world for Jesus' coming.
Here is another prophecy giving the sequence of events, and there are many others.

Isaiah, the prophet, commissioned by God, to restore the survivors of all Israel. Isaiah 49:5-6.

Isaiah 66:15-16 See: the Lord is coming in fire, His chariots are like a whirlwind, bringing retribution with His furious anger and His rebuke with flaming fire. The Lord will judge with fire and sword, He will test all mankind and many will be killed by Him.
The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath – the next prophetic event. This fire judgement upon all the earth, will be by a Coronal Mass Ejection explosion of the sun, the only thing that will literally fulfil all the detailed prophesies about that Day. It will affect all the earth, but will specifically devastate the Middle East. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17, Jeremiah 12:14, Psalms 18:7-15, Isaiah 24:1-6, Malachi 4:1

Isaiah 66:17:18a All those who practice magic rites and divination, those who eat unclean foods – all will meet their end, for I know their thoughts and deeds.
[Witchcraft, occultism, false religion, disobedience to God’s Laws, etc., all who do these things will die. Isaiah 48:22, Jeremiah 30:23-24, Micah 5:12

Isaiah 66:18b-19 I am going to gather people of every tongue, they will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and some of these survivors I will send out to the nations, to proclaim My Gospel among them. They will go to distant places that have not heard of My glory. Irrefutable proof that this happens before the Return, as then: every eye shall see Him. Revelation 1:7 [every living person will see His glory then]
The Lord’s people, all righteous Christians, are gathered from all parts of the earth. 12,000 are selected from each of the 12 assigned groups and sent out to proclaim the good news of the coming Kingdom of God. Revelation 7:3-8 & 14:1-7, Isaiah 49:6.

Isaiah 66:20-21 From every nation, your people will be brought, on every kind of conveyance, coming as an offering to the Lord on His holy mountain. They will come to Jerusalem, just as the ancient Israelites brought their grain offerings. The Lord will select some of them to be His priests. Psalms 107:1-43, Revelation 5:9-10
Soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance, all the Lord’s people, will be motivated to emigrate to the holy Land. Ezekiel 36:10-12, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Isaiah 11:11-12, Jeremiah 30:10-14. They will live there in great prosperity and peace for several years, until the Anti-Christ comes to power. He will break his 7 year treaty of peace with Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and take control of the country, placing his image in the Temple. This will start the 3½ year Tribulation period. An ‘elect’ group will be taken to a place of safety during this time. Zechariah 14:2b, Revelation 12:14.
Then Jesus Christ will Return in His glory to reign for 1000 years.


Isaiah 66:22-23 As the new heavens and earth, which I am making will endure before Me, so will your name and descendants endure. Every new moon and Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow before Me.
Isaiah 66:24 As they go out, they will see the bodies of those who rebelled against Me, where the devouring worm never dies and the fire is not quenched. All mankind will view them with horror. Zechariah 14:12. Ref: REB, NIV. Verses abridged.

Our Hope for the Future:

It seems that there are as many views of what God has planned for the end of this age, as there are people who study the subject. But there is only one actual future for us and those who teach false theories will be judged more severely. James 3:1
Then there is the bulk of Christians, who just simply don’t want to know, or find the prophetic Word just too hard to comprehend.
But in our Bible, we are told: God does nothing without revealing His plan to His servants. Amos 3:7 Paul says: We are not in the dark, the Day of sudden destruction will not come upon us like a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6

We see in 2 Thessalonians 2:11… God puts the wicked under a compelling delusion, which makes them believe what is false. Then in Isaiah 29:9-14, talking to us, that is: the Christian peoples, the Laodicean Church of today, we are…. pitiful wretches, we attend ‘church’ but our hearts are far from the Lord. Our worship is by rote and made up of rules taught from men. Therefore once more the Lord will astound His people, shock and amaze us. Most of us won’t know His plans, because the wisdom of the wise will be removed and the discernment of the intelligent will be lost. Matthew 11:25

The Day is coming; When the wicked and godless will vanish and all who love evil will be cut down. Isaiah 29:20-21, Isaiah 66:15-17, Psalms 83, Revelation 6:12-17
Then: In that Day; the deaf will hear the words of scripture and the blinded will see through the impenetrable darkness. Isaiah 29:18 & 24 The lowly will once again rejoice in the Lord, as the Holy Land is regenerated into a fruitful garden Land. Ezekiel 36:8, Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35
That Day of fire and tempest, Malachi 4:1-3, is not a Day for all who believe in the Lord to panic or be frightened, for Righteousness will rise among them, as the Lord heals the wounds [of spiritual and physical exile, Ezekiel 37] inflicted upon His people. Isaiah 30:25-28, Zephaniah 3:8-10, Revelation 7:9-17

This is what we look forward to, our great hope for the future:

Ezekiel 34:11-16 Now, [that is: after the Day of the Lord’s wrath against the nations] I, Myself will search for and gather My people, I will rescue them for wherever they are scattered after that Day of cloud and darkness. I shall lead them out of the nations, Micah 2:12-13, and bring them home to their own country. I shall make a Covenant with them to ensure peace and prosperity and they will have good leaders. Ezekiel 34:23-31, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

After they are settled, Jeremiah 30 & 31, the Lord will summon Gog to come down from the north and invade the Land recently restored from ruin, whose people are gathered from many nations and are now settled and prosperous. Ezekiel 38:8 This is in order for the Lord, through His people, to show Himself great and holy to the nations. Ezekiel 38:16

Later, the Leader of the One World Government, a ten region confederation, Daniel 7:24, Revelation 17:12-13, will come to the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, and make a seven year treaty of peace with them. Daniel 9:27, He will break it at the mid-point and invade Beulah. Zechariah 14:1-2 But this will trigger the Great Tribulation trumpet and bowl punishments. 1260 days later, the Lord Jesus will Return, destroy those attackers of Jerusalem, bind up Satan and commence His Millennial reign.

Jeremiah 50:17-18 Israel is a scattered flock, harried and chased by wild animals. Assyria was the first to conquer them, then Babylon finally finished them off. Therefore, Assyria and Babylon will be punished and made desolate.
This is fulfilled prophecy, from now on Bible prophecy uses Babylon as a metaphor for the ungodly nations. and entities.

Jeremiah 50:19 But the Israelites will come back to their own heritage. When that time comes, I will pardon the remnant of Israel and Judah.
Although part of Judah have returned to part of the Land, we await the final fulfilment of this prophecy, the gathering of all the Lord’s people into all of the holy Land.

Jeremiah 51:15-18 The Lord made the earth by His power, He controls the elements – the wind and the rain. People are ignorant, pursuing their idols, things of mockery which will vanish on the Day of Reckoning.
‘The Day of Reckoning,‘ elsewhere referred to as the Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. This will be the next prophesied event, opening the way for His people to go to the holy Land and for the eventual rise of the Anti-Christ.

Jeremiah 51:19-47 Israel’s God is not like any idol, He is the Creator and Israel are the people He claims as His own, Y’hovah is His Name. With you I shall repay Babylon, that destructive mountain. Therefore, the time is coming when I shall punish Babylon, her idols and the whole land will be put to shame – all her slain will lie fallen in her midst. Jeremiah 9:21-22

Jeremiah 51:45 & 50-51 My people, come out from her and let everyone save themselves from the fierce anger of the Lord. You who escape the sword, go – do not linger. Remember the Lord from a distant land and let Jerusalem come into your minds. We are disgraced and shamed because foreigners have entered Your holy places.

Jeremiah 51:46 Beware of losing heart, fear no rumours or violence on earth.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged


The Lord’s people, all righteous Christian believers who are now the inheritors of God’s promises, Galatians 3:25-29, are told to get out of the Babylonish nations, those who ‘escape the sword’, that is: who by faith, survive the forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Remember your God and Creator from where you live, in distant lands, [from Israel] that will be the time to travel to your inheritance. Psalms 107:1-43, Isaiah 66:15-21

Do not be afraid, there will be ‘violence on earth’, but you who love the Lord and keep His Laws, must maintain your faith and trust in His deliverance.

Israelites: All who follow after righteousness, all who seek the Lord…..Abraham is your father, Sarah your mother: the Rock from which you are hewn. Isaiah 51:1-2

Leviticus 26:40-43 Even though the Israelites confess their iniquity, their own and that of their forefathers, I in My turn will oppose them while they live in the enemies land. If then, their stubborn spirit is broken and they accept their punishment in full, I shall remember My Covenant with the Patriarchs and I shall remember the Land. The Land, bereft of its rightful people will enjoy in full its Sabbaths, while it lies desolate. My people will pay their penalty in full because they spurned My statutes and judgements.
Leviticus 26:44-45 Yet, even while they live outside their Land, I will not have so rejected them as to bring them to an end and break My Covenant with them, because I am the Lord their God. I shall remember on their behalf, the Covenant that I made with their ancestors, whom I brought out of Egypt. I am Y’hovah.


Deuteronomy 30:1-5 When all these things have happened to you in the nations to which I have banished you, if you and your children turn back to the Lord and obey His commands with your heart and soul: Then the Lord, your God will restore your fortunes. In compassion for you, He will gather you again from the peoples, even from the ends of the earth. He will fetch you home, back to the land of your ancestors and you will occupy it once again. You will be more prosperous and numerous than your forefathers.
Deuteronomy 30:6-10 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts, so that you will love Him and obey His commands, and then you will live. All the curses that you endured will be turned against your enemies, those who persecute you. He will make you more prosperous in all that you do, in your families and the produce of the Land. When you turn back to your God with all your heart, He will again rejoice over you and do you good.


The prayer of Daniel for the Redemption and Restoration of all the Israelites;

Daniel 9:4-14 Lord, great and terrible God, You keep faith with those who love You and observe Your commandments, we have sinned and rebelled against You. We have not listened to Your prophets, who spoke in Your Name to our forefathers. Lord, the right is on Your side; the shame, now as ever belongs to us, the people of Judah and to all the Israelites, near and far in every land to which You have banished them for their disloyal behavior toward You. All Israel has broken Your Law and refused to obey Your commandments, so that the oath and curses recorded by Moses have rained down upon us, for we have sinned against God. He has carried out the just punishments and brought upon us the disasters as foretold. Yet we have done nothing to appease the Lord, our God; we have neither repented of our wrongful deeds, nor remembered that You are true to Your Word. The Lord has kept strict watch and done what He said He would do.

Daniel 9:15-19 Now, Lord our God who brought Your people out of Egypt by a strong hand and winning for Yourself a great Name; we have sinned, we have done wrong. Lord, by all Your saving deeds; we beg that Your wrath and anger depart from Jerusalem and Your Land. Listen, our God, to Your servants prayer and supplication for Your sake, Lord look favorably on Your sanctuary that is desecrated. God, incline Your ear to Your people, and hear us, we pray. It is not because of any righteous doings of ours, but because of Your great mercy that we lay our supplication before You. Lord; hear, Lord; forgive, Lord; listen and act, God for Your own sake do not delay, for reputation of the city and for the people that bear Your Name.

Acts 26:6-7 In the hope based on the promise God made to our forefathers, all twelve tribes of Israel worship with intense devotion, looking forward to the fulfilment of that promise. Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

Isaiah 63:7-10 I shall tell of the Lord’s unfailing love and of the great things He has done for His people, in His compassion for Israel. He said: surely they are My people, they will not be false with Me. So, He, Himself delivered then from their troubles. He carried them through all the days of old. Yet, they rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit, so He turned against them and allowed enemies to conquer them.
God chose and prepared a nation that would be His friends and a witness about Him to the world. Sadly, they rebelled against their Maker, so their punishment was exile. This was to be for a defined period, Ezekiel 4:4-6, Leviticus 26:18 and now we look forward to the gathering of all righteous believers into the Holy Land, be they actual descendants of Jacob, or grafted in as believing Christians. Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29


Isaiah 63:11-14 When in exile, they recalled the days long past and how Moses shepherded his flock through the sea and into the Promised Land, by the power of the Holy spirit. Thus, You led Your people and thereby gained everlasting renown.


Isaiah 63:15-16 Look down from the heavens – Your lofty throne and see us, Lord, for You are our Father. Where now, is Your zeal and Your valour, You are withholding Your compassion from us. Even though Abraham may not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us, You, Lord, are our Father and our Redeemer from of old.
“Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us” Exactly how it is for todays Christians.
Israelites by descent or by faith in Jesus, can still call on their Father and Redeemer of old. They are all todays Christians, from every nation and language. Isaiah 51:1-2, Revelation 5:9-10

Isaiah 63:17-19 Why, Lord, do You let us wander from Your ways and harden our hearts, so that we no longer revere You? Turn again for the sake of Your servants, the peoples that are Your inheritance.

Why have enemies trespassed on Your sanctuary? Why have our enemies trampled the Land? You have not ruled over them, they are not Your subjects. We are Your people from ancient times, Your servants and witnesses.


Our prayer for today:
Psalm 106:47 Deliver us, Lord our God, and gather us from among the nations, so that we may give thanks to Your Name and make Your praise our pride. Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

Who is it that says; BLESSED IS HE THAT COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD?

Matthew 23:39 & Luke 13:35 For I tell you, you will not see Me again until you say: Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.”
Luke 18:8...when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?

Who are the inhabitants of Israel and Jerusalem at the time of Jesus’s Return?

Zechariah 13:7-9... says how the Lord will judge Judah and the citizens of Jerusalem. Two thirds will die and the remainder will be refined, they will call on the Lord and be accepted as His people. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Ezekiel 22:17-22. Isaiah 6:11-13

Ezekiel 20:30-38 The House of Israel, the people that we know now refers to every true Christian, Isaiah 51:1-2, Romans 9:6-9, Galatians 3:26-29, are told how they have defiled themselves. Then, how they will be brought out of the peoples and lands where they have been dispersed to. They are judged and the righteous will be allowed to enter and settle into all of the Promised Land. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:15-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31
Note, in v36...the same as I did in Egypt – see also Ezekiel 20:9....the Lord says- how I revealed Myself to the Israelites. That was in a cloud, not as a visible Person. So, these judgements are before the Lords Return.

Zechariah 14:1-3 A Day is coming for the Lord to act and plunder taken from you will be shared out, while you stand by. I shall gather the nations to make war on Jerusalem- the city will be taken, houses ransacked and women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, the rest will stay.... Then, the Lord will Return in glory. He will destroy the armies of the nations. Revelation 16:13
Verses 1-2 only fit at the time the Anti-Christ and his army comes to the holy Land, Daniel 7:25, to the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, 3½ years after he has made a peace treaty with them. He will set up his image in the Temple at that time. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Daniel 11:31
Those who go into exile are righteous Israel are the ‘woman’ of Revelation 12. Those who remain must face further refinement and testing. Daniel 11:35 During this 3½ year Tribulation period, the two witnesses will preach in Jerusalem to them. When the two witnesses are killed and taken up to heaven there is an earthquake that kills 7000 people. Revelation 11:13
Those who remain are the royal house of priests, who will reign with Jesus on earth. Revelation 5:9-10.
THEY will welcome Jesus as He Returns in His glory, at the end of the Tribulation and the armies of all the nations will be there, Revelation 16:12-14, under the command of the Anti Christ. Revelation 19:19 Jesus destroys them and chains up Satan. Revelation 19:20-21
2 Esdras 13:11-13 A stream of fire, the breath of flame poured from His mouth and fell on the enormous army advancing to attack. They were totally burned up. After that, the Man, (Jesus) came down from the mountain and brought to Himself a peaceful company of people, some with joy on their faces, some with sorrow.

Psalms 68:28-31 Summon Your power, show Your strength, O God, as you have done before. Kings will bring gifts to Your Temple.
Rebuke those wild beasts, scatter those nations who make war. Envoys will come from the other nations in submission to God. Reference, REB, some verses abridged

Oh that I had the wings of a dove!

Ecclesiastes 8:5 One who is wise knows in his heart the right time and method for action.
Psalms 32:6-7 So let every faithful heart pray to You in the hour of anxiety, when great disasters threaten, they shall not touch them. You are a hiding place from distress.
Psalms 12:5 Now I will arise, says the Lord – for the poor are plundered and the needy groan. I shall put them in a place of safety for which they desire.
Jeremiah 51:50 You that escaped the sword, go, do not linger. Remember the Lord from afar and let Jerusalem come to your mind.

The best description of how the Lord will rescue His righteous people is:

Psalms 107:1-32 Let them give thanks, those who were redeemed by the Lord from the power of the enemy and gathered out of the lands from east, west, north and south.

Some lost their way in desert waste lands...they were hungry and thirsty...they cried to the Lord, He rescued them from their distress and led them to a city where they lived.
Some sat in the dark, prisoners, locked up because they had defied God’s commands. Their spirit was subdued by hard labour.... they cried to the Lord.. He saved them in their distress and brought them out of the dark.

Some were fools who took to rebellious ways, their punishment was revulsion to food. They nearly died, so they cried to the Lord and He saved them from their distress.
Others there are at sea in ships; they see what marvelous things the Lord has done. At His command, storm winds rose and tossed them to and fro, in peril... they cried to the Lord... the storm abated and He guided them into a safe harbour.

Psalms 107:35-42 The desert He changes into lakes and in the arid land he makes springs of water. There He gives the hungry a home, they build themselves a town to live in, and they sow fields and plant vineyards which yield a good harvest.
He blesses them and their numbers grow, their herds and flocks increase.
Tyrants lose their strength and are brought low, He brings princes into contempt, they are banished into the desert. But the humble person, He lifts clear of his troubles and gives them prosperity. The upright see it and are glad, while evildoers are reduced to silence.
Psalms 107:43 Whoever is wise, let them lay these things to heart and ponder the loving deeds of the Lord. Ezekiel 28:25-26

Isaiah 46:4 Till you grow old – I am the Lord, and when white hairs come, I shall carry you still. I have made you, I shall uphold you. I shall carry you away to safety.
Psalms 23:4 Even though I walk through a valley of deepest darkness, I will fear no harm, for You are with me.
Psalms 55:6-7 Oh, that I had the wings of a dove, I would escape far away to a refuge in the wilderness.
Reference: REB, (some verses abridged)

Isaiah 14:1-6 The Lord will have compassion on Jacob [all 12 tribes] and will once again make Israel His choice. He will resettle them on their native soil, where foreigners will join them. Nations will escort the Lord’s people to their inheritance, they will take their captors captive and will rule over their oppressors.
On the Day that the Lord breaks the power of the wicked, those who conquered nations and persecuted peoples, then His people, saved and redeemed, will exult over their enemies. Psalms 83:1-15

Isaiah 14:7-8 All the lands are at rest and at peace, even the trees rejoice at the destruction of the enemy. Isaiah 35:1-2, Joel 2:18-27

Isaiah 14:9-11 Sheol below greets the godless dead. The spirits of the departed meet the wicked, as they descend, saying: You, too, have become weak, like us. Your pride has been brought low, maggots and worms cover you now. Ezekiel 32:20-30
Isaiah 14:12-17 Bright morning star, how you have fallen from heaven, you are now cast down to earth. You thought to yourself: I will ascend to heaven, to set my throne above the stars of God and make myself like the Most High! But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the abyss. Those who see you say: Is this the man who shook the earth and conquered peoples? Daniel 7:23, Revelation 13:1-8

Isaiah 14:18-26 Kings of nations lie in honour, but you are cast out, like carrion, for you have destroyed your land and killed your people. Your children shall not rise to greatness again. Babylon and Assyria are totally destroyed, never again to rise.

Isaiah 14:27 The Lord has prepared His plan, no one can frustrate it.

Isaiah 14:28-31 An oracle from God: Do not rejoice, all you Philistines, that the rod that struck you is broken, for from the root of the snake will spring up a viper, it will strike with venom of fire. The poor and needy, [righteous Israel] will find pasture, they will dwell in safety. But your offspring I shall destroy by famine and your remnant I shall slay by the sword. Wail at the gate, let all Philistia be stricken with panic, for fire and smoke will come upon you.

Isaiah 14:32 What answer shall be given to that nations envoys? It is that the Lord has established Zion and in that Land, His afflicted people will find refuge. Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Verses 1-11|: ‘once again I choose Israel’- This will be the Second Exodus of the people of God, firstly the descendants of Jacob and now every true believer. Galatians 3:26-29
They will gather and settle in all of the holy Land. People from every race and language will go to live there. Ezekiel 20:34-37, Isaiah 11:11-12, Revelation 7:9
It will happen soon after the Lord “breaks the power of His enemies”, by His terrible Day of wrath. Joel 1:15 & 19, Habakkuk 3:12, Isaiah 2:12-22, Revelation 6:12-17.

Verses 12-26: Satan is cast out of heaven. Ezekiel 28:11-19, Revelation 12:7-9 Then after the Return of Jesus, he sent to the abyss. Revelation 19:20, Daniel 11:45.
Verses 28-31: Philistia [Palestine] will be totally destroyed by a fire from the sun and then by a famine judgement. Amos 1:6-8 Jeremiah 47:4-7, Joel 3:4.
Verse 32: New Israel, Beulah- Isaiah 62:1-5, is established; His people living in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 46:27, Hosea 14:4-7, Ephesians 2:13-18.

I can keep up posting the truth of the Prophetic Word about God's plan to have all the holy Land inhabited by His people, for quite a while yet because there is plenty of scripture proving it:

Isaiah 14:1-6 The Lord will have compassion on Jacob [all 12 tribes] and will once again make Israelites His choice. He will settle them onto their heritage, where foreigners will join them. Isaiah 56:1-8, Matthew 8:11-12
Nations will escort the Lord’s people to their inheritance, they will take their captors captive and will rule over their oppressors.
On the Day that the Lord breaks the power of the wicked, those who conquered nations and persecuted peoples, then His people, saved and redeemed, will exult over their enemies. Psalms 83:1-15
Isaiah 14:7-8 All the lands are at rest and at peace, even the trees rejoice at the destruction of the enemy. Isaiah 35:1-2, Joel 2:18-27

Isaiah 14:9-11 Sheol below greets the godless dead. The spirits of the departed meet the wicked, as they descend, saying: You, too, have become weak, like us. Your pride has been brought low, maggots and worms cover you now. Ezekiel 32:20-30
Isaiah 14:12-17 Bright morning star, how you have fallen from heaven, you are now cast down to earth. You thought to yourself: I will ascend to heaven, to set my throne above the stars of God and make myself like the Most High! But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the abyss. Those who see you say: Is this the man who shook the earth and conquered peoples? Daniel 7:23, Revelation 13:1-8

Isaiah 14:18-26 Kings of nations lie in honour, but you are cast out, like carrion, for you have destroyed your land and killed your people. Your children shall not rise to greatness again. Babylon and Assyria are totally destroyed, never again to rise.
Isaiah 14:27 The Lord has prepared His plan, no one can frustrate it.

Isaiah 14:28-31 An oracle from God: Do not rejoice, all you Philistines, that the rod that struck you is broken, for from the root of the snake will spring up a viper, it will strike with venom of fire. The poor and needy, [righteous Israel] will find pasture, they will dwell in safety. But your offspring I shall destroy by famine and your remnant I shall slay by the sword. Wail at the gate, let all Philistia be stricken with panic, for fire and smoke will come upon you.

Isaiah 14:32 What answer shall be given to that nations envoys? It is that the Lord has established Zion and in that Land, His afflicted people will find refuge. Ref: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Verses 1-11|: ‘once again I choose Israel’- This will be the Second Exodus of the people of God, firstly the descendants of Jacob and now every true believer. Galatians 3:26-29
They will gather and settle in all of the holy Land. People from every race, nation and language will go to live there. Ezekiel 20:34-37, Isaiah 11:11-12, Revelation 7:9
It will happen soon after the Lord “breaks the power of His enemies”, by His terrible Day of wrath. Joel 1:15 & 19, Habakkuk 3:12, Isaiah 2:12-22, Revelation 6:12-17.

Verses 12-26: Satan is cast out of heaven. Ezekiel 28:11-19. Then after the Return of Jesus, he sent to the abyss. Revelation 19:20, Daniel 11:45.

Verses 28-31: Philistia [Palestine] will be totally destroyed by a fire from the sun and the survivors by famine. Amos 1:6-8 Jeremiah 47:4-7, Joel 3:4.

Verse 32: New Israel, Beulah- Isaiah 62:1-5, is established; His people living in peace and security. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 46:27, Hosea 14:4-7, Ephesians 2:13-18.

Straightshot said:

A remnant is already there as we speak .... many of Israel are going to turn to Him during the coming time of Jacob's trouble

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The Jewish people have returned to only a small fraction of all that area promised to Abraham.
They are there in unbelief and many prophesies prove they now face judgement and only a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:8-9 Jesus said to the Jews: I tell you the Kingdom will be taken away from you and given to a people who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43
Your belief that the Jewish State of Israel is the Israel of the prophesies is quite wrong and many scriptures refute that idea. Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18, Isaiah 51:1-2, Isaiah 56:1-8

Why is it so difficult for you to see that men will never solve the ME problem. Only Divine intervention, exactly as so comprehensively prophesied, will do it. The Lord will totally clear and cleanse all of the holy Land. Deuteronomy 32:43, Isaiah 10:23, Jeremiah 9:10-11
Note Jeremiah 9:12 Where is the wise person who can understand this?....
Do you have a bumper sticker: W.W.J.D.? What Jesus is going to do, is to simply destroy His enemies; all the ungodly peoples and that includes most of the atheistic and false religion worshipping Israelis.

Straightshot, you post scriptures in an attempt to prove your false belief that the Jewish State of Israel is the entity that all the Bible prophesies about Israel applies to.
Just read the first one; Jeremiah 30:1-34 - That chapter starts by saying there are two Houses; Israel and Judah and they will both come back to the Land of their ancestors. That they haven't rejoined yet is clear from Ezekiel 37:15-28
Only Judah, the Jews have returned now and they remain unbelievers of Jesus.
Jeremiah 30:10 goes on to say how they all will be at rest, secure and untroubled. Not todays situation at all!
Jeremiah 30:21 A ruler will appear...I shall let him approach Me. Has Netanyahu spoken to God? Does he even believe in God?

Your desperate attempts to separate Israel from the true, righteous people of God, just so you can keep gripping onto the false theory of the church being raptured, are a total failure.

Straightshot said:

and actually these things have nothing to do with the Lord's pre-tribulation call which will occur just before the 70th week begins

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Let us see the proof scriptures of this assertion.
Something as important as taking all living believers out this world should surely have been clearly prophesied.

What this thread proves, is the truth of God's Plan to have His people inhabit all of the holy Land. Not the illogical and false idea of a rapture removal to heaven.
But of course, you and millions of other deceived people are locked into your belief. 2 Timothy 4:3-4, Isaiah 29:9-12 The soon to happen end times events will surprise and shock you and that is how God wants it to be, so nothing I present will change your beliefs. Now your worst fault is to promote and teach those false ideas. James 3:1

Straightshot said:

I need no further proof from the Lord .... I have it
You need to find it

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My simple request was: please post the scripture that say God will take living people to heaven before the Trib.
If you don't do it , then we can be sure there isn't any and there is no pre-trib rapture.

This thread is all about what the Lord really has planned for His people. Read the Bible prophesies and know the truth.