John 1:1 according to the Messianic Faith

nothead said:

That HEN or unity with the Father in Jn 10 is the SAME unity in Jn 17 for BELIEVERS, sir. "That they may be one as we are one."

And WE are not God Almighty which I THINK you are saying for Jesus sir.

WE may be elohim, just as kings, prophets, patriarchs, MESSIAH warlords were. But WE are not YHWH Elohim a DISTINCT elohim of elohim. The TOP one. AND in fact Jesus in Jn 10 was SAYING he was elohim and NOT YHWH Elohim.

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daq said:

That is just a bunch of false insinuations.
Please read before responding in such a way.
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nothead said:

What is false, sir?

Em the HEN of unity between believers of God and Jesus is the same HEN of unity he claimed with the Father, sir. It happens to be the CLOSEST KNOWN PARALLEL to the "I and the Father are one" verse. Thank you sir. It was not a good idea to shuck me off so sentientiously sir.

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daq said:

I already know those things to be true so why are you screaming at me in caps as if I have ever suggested they were not true? That is false insinuation, and that is YOU, pretending as if I ever said something that contradicts those things. Therefore I said, and now rephrase, please read before you fly off your rocker over things I did not say to begin with. In addition you have insinuated things about the Father concerning what I believe which I believe would be blasphemous and therefore the opposite of what I do believe. Do you even know which false insinuations those were which you previously insinuated? Who are you to insinuate blasphemy to my account when if only you had taken the time to actually read what I have said here in this thread you would have seen that your insinuations are false? Also you might consider trying not so hard to speak down to people as soon as you meet someone.
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nothead said:

I'm sorry then. I did not first realize you and the other poster were not arguing JisG. I apologize.

New kid in school gonna look silly a little. I am silly. And maybe a fool, who knows? If I was a fool would I know it? Not rikery as they say in China.

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daq said:

Ah, a sweet savor, but no worries, it happens to all of us sooner or later for the better. You came in like an elohim and now you are fallen as one of the sarim, ("O Israel, you have destroyed yourself", [And I will be like a lion, a bear, and a leopard unto you, even a wild beast]).
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nothead said:

Psalm 82? Man, that's the first time I heard ISRAEL as the "elohim."

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Daniel Gregg said:

John​

Chapter 1

IN the beginning had been the Word. And the Word has been at the side of the Almĭghty. And Almĭghty, the Word has been.† 1:2 This one has been in the beginning at the side of the Almĭghty. 3 Everything by him came to be, and without him has become not even one thing, which has been made to be existing.

Then again Yăhwɛh was seen in Shıloh, because Yăhwɛh had been revealed unto Samuel in Shıloh in the Word of Yăhwɛh (1Sam. 3:21). The Word is a metaphor meaning “expression” or visible representation of Yăhwɛh. As word expresses thought, so Mĕssiah expresses the Făther. The Word here is a person, namely the Almĭghty Sŏn who appeared as the Mĕssenger of Yăhwɛh (מַלְאַךְ יַהוֶה) unto Samuel.
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†An accurate translation must render the word θεὸς as an adjective, “And Almĭghty, the Word has been.” The Word is Almĭghty, i.e. has the attributes of the Almĭghty, but is not the same person as the Făther who is “the Almĭghty” in the second clause of the verse.

This is the true Messianic Faith.

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