Stanford Rapist Get 6 Months Sentence

How many hear have actually read the victim's full impact statement?

Blondepudding said:

How many hear have actually read the victim's full impact statement?

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I did. It was heartbreaking and made me gulp after all the posts I made.

Blondepudding said:

How many hear have actually read the victim's full impact statement?

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It's extremely heartbreaking. This piece of filth only serving six months is a huge travesty of justice. Honestly, he needs to rot in prison. Why should the world care about the impact on HIS life here when he has yet to atone for the impact he made on someone else's life. Prisons were made for people like this. The judge that decided this needs to be held accountable.

If anyone's curious about perspectives from a few Stanford students, you can read them on this rising junior's blog:
https://cathincollege.com/2016/06/0...ts-have-to-say-about-brock-turners-rape-case/

I'm a Stanford undergrad, but haven't articulated my thoughts in writing on Turner's sentence or his dad's repugnant letter here or elsewhere (but have in many personal discussions) because I've been simultaneously finishing the last few weeks of the spring quarter (this is finals week) while working at my summer internship. Some of my feelings are reflected in the comments my friend and other students made on Catherine's blog.

One sentiment that has been recurrently expressed on various social media sites is the wish that Turner wouldn't be referred to as the Stanford rapist. Unfortunately, there have been other rapists in the Stanford community. He is not a part of our community anymore. He's no longer a Stanford student, and he no longer represents our university as a member of the swim team. Stanford officials swiftly banned him from campus, and most students (unfortunately, again, not all) repudiated him last year when the assault became widely discussed. Since the sentence was given there's been even more resounding, vehement denunciation of it as an inadequate punishment; profound disgust for Turner's lack of genuine remorse and his dad's letter; and widespread, heartfelt support and respect for the victim. Protestors have been on campus this week, and made their plans known that they'll be demonstrating during graduation festivities this weekend, even though most of those who will be walking across the stage have consistently condemned Brock Turner's actions since they were brought to light in January of last year. Some criticism towards officials at Stanford's admin is definitely justified, in substantial part because of the history of sexual assault on our campus and their past responses to it, but many of the graduating students have been advocating and trying to effectuate change.

Deuteronomy 22:25 "But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:"

This verse deals with rape, and this crime goes on throughout the world and touches most communities of our land. The penalty for rape here is death.

Deuteronomy 22:26 "But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:"

Rape in the eyes of God is in the same degree of sin as that of murdering a neighbor without cause. Rape and premeditated criminal homicide are treated exactly alike, with the same punishments before the eyes of God. God has no patience with a rapist. God is telling us to kill the rapist, and send him to Me, and I will straighten him out. Get the thug out of the community so these things will not happen again, and it will establish order in the community so that others that have the penalty will keep it in mind and think twice before doing such an act.

Deuteronomy 22:27 "For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

It is hard for some men to understand how God treats those that do premeditative murder under the same light as He does for rape. However, when you hear the mental anguish of the lady that has been raped speak of her trauma that she went through, you see that our Heavenly Father understand exactly the act of what she went through.

The victim impact statement is heart wrenching. Not only what she had to suffer at the hands of this person but in the rapists defense attorney's demeanor as well. Violated all over again but in a different way.

This creature violated her with an object. And then had the nerve to claim she wanted it? All of it?

Maybe three months in jail will be enough since the inmates there will know he's on his way. And why would he deserve special protection? Did this young woman have that from his twisted mind as to what consent entails?

Was she tested for Rohypnol? She's three sheets to the wind under the influence! She can't legally consent when she can't even speak.
But the defense attorney had a hard time comprehending that. He must have been as for sale as the judge appears to have been. No judge in his right mind gives a 3 felony rapist what amounts to a 3 month sentence in a local jail!



Stanford rapist Brock Turner lied about his regular substance abuse in letter to judge
Excerpts here:
But a simple glance through Turner’s cell phone — filled with evidence of his drug use and underage drinking — revealed him as a regular substance abuser, and a liar, according to a sentencing memo.
The file, obtained by the San Jose Mercury News, reveals that Turner eagerly took bong hits, dropped acid and drank excessively starting in high school — despite the rapist’s insistence that he “never really” did any of those things.


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In a letter to the judge, the celebrated swimmer swore he had a humble upbringing, free from the temptations of drugs and alcohol.


There's an effort underway to have this judge disciplined in some way. I wonder if this rapists sentence can be overturned and increased to the proper standard of punishment if that happens? Or even if it doesn't.

Landon Caeli said:

I did. It was heartbreaking and made me gulp after all the posts I made.

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At least you can admit that you jumped to a conclusion. Perhaps victims statements - whatever the crime - should be posted up on billboards so that people can stop their knee jerk reactions. Perhaps then men would begin being kinder to men who have been raped, because at present they are not very understanding that men can also be victims of forced and nonconsensual sex.

I for one would happily donate funds to have a billboard containing what is excerpted below posted on billboards near every campus in America.


Vox.Com This letter from a Stanford sexual assault victim destroys 5 bad assumptions about rape

Bad assumption 1: If a woman drank too much to remember what happened, maybe she actually wanted it at the time
Bad assumption 2: If a woman drank too much, she is partly to blame for being assaulted
Bad assumption 3: If a man was drinking heavily, he can't be held responsible for sexual assault
Bad assumption 4: A woman's sexual or personal history is relevant to the question of whether she was assaulted
Bad assumption 5: The guy was just a confused college kid with great life prospects, so a judge should go easy on him

rambot said:

I'm not totally convinced it has to do with impulse control so much as a complete and utter lack of a feeling of guilt or culpability for their initial actions. And guess what? That comes DIRECTLY from bad parenting.

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Which is one thing you will NOT find in my childhood home. Because, on the other side of the spectrum, my other, oldest brother is an overachiever - Eagle Scout, BSA Silver Beaver Award which is the highest honor an adult volunteer in Scouting can earn, NY State Licensed Guide, National Honor Society plus 18th in his graduating class, accepted with academic scholarship to BOTH Cornell and Syracuse University (chose SU because "Cornell has the campus but SU has the program), B.S. and M.S. degrees in forestry and forest biology, and has been working for NY State's Department of Environmental Conservation since 1997, most recently as the Regional Forester for DEC's Region 5, which means he oversees land usage 75% of the 6-million acre Adirondack Park.

Two sons, two different results from the SAME parents.

It has nothing to do with the parenting. It's totally a mental, internal thing, like narcissistic or sociopathic behavior. They can't help themselves. I know a man who has exhibited sociopathic tendencies, even though he was raised by a Godly woman who, from the comments on her recent obituary, was one of the pillars of the community she lived in most of her 94 years. Yet, he cheated on his girlfriend with multiple women and lied about and covered up his behavior for almost a decade. Again, you can't blame the parenting.

At some point in time you have to stop blaming the parents and start blaming the person doing the craptastic stuff.

I'd say parenting is a co-factor. Because genetics are also in play. And supposedly according to a investigative show I watched awhile back that focused on the pathology behind serial killers , people can be born without a conscience. No sense of right or wrong or guilt for what they do to others. Nothing.

I knew a sociopath, that probably fit that no-conscience profile. He was diagnosed according to him as a sociopath. He was in his late teens at the time and he was proud of it which is why the boast on his part. He also boasted while he had a YouTube profile to brag on that he was a "contrarian". Yes, just as you'd think it means. He would always take the contrary position to anything anyone said.
He was a serial adulterer having been married seven times. Last I heard he was working on his future ex-8th wife. He bragged about the bastard children he sired on women all over the country when he traveled as a public speaker for, of course, a satanic church he was member of. Till they fired him for larceny. Then he started his own little cult and was high priest.
Then he proceeded to dupe people with lies so as to garner donations for various issues he claimed to have. The last being cancer. Then, about five years after that con he was actually diagnosed with testicular cancer and died within six months.

To her credit what we all thought was that future ex-8th wife held on for two years longer than we imagined she would. His longest marriage lasting but three years before that. She'd gotten a million dollar life insurance policy on him without his having a clue since he signed during one of his alcoholic black outs, and was set for life after he kicked the bucket.

No one ever knew what his parents were like. He told his wife, the only one we knew, that they'd died when he was a child and he had been shunted about the state agencies till he was old enough to age out of the program.

He was worthless as a human being until the day he died. Then he was worth a million dollars.

^^^Up to a point, I was convinced that we were talking about the same s'path, except the one I know is still alive.

I think the movie The Bad Seed is as good an illustration of the fact that a "nice" family and a good home can't always prevent someone from developing into a(n) <<expletive omitted>>.

Landon Caeli said:

Why would he need to contact his parole officer prior to doing his taxes?

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Several years ago, after he got out on the child molestation conviction that put him on the sex offender list (he had actually another blemish on his record from when he had molested me, but he was a minor at that time and there was no registry back in the 1980's when that came to a head), he ended up BACK in jail because on Halloween, all sex offenders were required to be at home as of a certain hour, due to the nature of that holiday. His parole officer came to his home to check on him, and found him on the computer, looking at cyber-inappropriate content. Now, granted, it was ADULT cyber-inappropriate content, but that was enough for them to put him back in jail.

Like I said, my father asked him "what forms do you need?" so he could do them ON PAPER and be in the clear. Dad also warned him that, if he was going to do them online, to check with his PO to see that it was OK and not against the rules for him to be online. NY State has a program called SIST which deals with sex offenders post-release, and they basically tell these people when to breathe - it is a very strict program with a lot of rules and regulations that must be followed not only by the offender but also the people who associate with them.

But NOOOOOO..... instead of doing them on paper, or waiting and asking his PO if it wasn't against the rules to go online and do them, he goes right ahead and does them on his girlfriend's tablet. And then when they tell him they are going to give him a lie detector test for some reason (SIST is part of the NYS Office of Mental Health, so he gets poked and prodded by psychologists a lot) he got scared and confessed to it.

Our dad is so upset about this that he didn't go with Mom to visit my brother in City Jail the other day. I think he is about ready to disown him at this point.

PreachersWife2004 said:

At some point in time you have to stop blaming the parents and start blaming the person doing the craptastic stuff.

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Well, when the father calls the rape that his son commited "only 20 minutes of action", chances are there was parental influence.

TX_Matt said:

Well, when the father calls the rape that his son commited "only 20 minutes of action", chances are there was parental influence.

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Here, maybe, but the kid still has a mind of his own. If we keep saying "it's bad parenting" you're going to see more and more lenient sentences like this because "well, he didn't know any better".

TX_Matt said:

Well, when the father calls the rape that his son commited "only 20 minutes of action", chances are there was parental influence.

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The only parental influence that I believe to have taken place was the compmete disregard for women and their bodies.

The father clearly thinks men are superior to women and likely believe women to be objects to be used.

FreeSpirit74 said:

Which is one thing you will NOT find in my childhood home. Because, on the other side of the spectrum, my other, oldest brother is an overachiever - Eagle Scout, BSA Silver Beaver Award which is the highest honor an adult volunteer in Scouting can earn, NY State Licensed Guide, National Honor Society plus 18th in his graduating class, accepted with academic scholarship to BOTH Cornell and Syracuse University (chose SU because "Cornell has the campus but SU has the program), B.S. and M.S. degrees in forestry and forest biology, and has been working for NY State's Department of Environmental Conservation since 1997, most recently as the Regional Forester for DEC's Region 5, which means he oversees land usage 75% of the 6-million acre Adirondack Park

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People with those credentials still commit crimes you know.

Two sons, two different results from the SAME parents.

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Gabor Mate, an MD specializing in trauma has said, and I firmly believe this to be 100% true "No two kids have had the same parents". I can say that to be true of my children. My wife and I gave birth and have raised both my kids their whole (admittedly short) lives. What that quotes says though, is that, during different stages of a child's development, the caregivers will have different life circumstances that will affect them in different ways and in turn, will affect how they parent their children. As a quick and dirty example; my elder child had to attend day care for 1.5 years; my son? Nope. While my elder child was 1-2 years old, I had a very stressful and impactful job that took me away from the family at weird times. That was hard and stressful for my wife too. Generally, our life is more calm nowadays but we did recently have a house fire that moved us out of the house for the next few months.
The fact is that these stressors on parents can and DO have an affect on how we parent. We try to be all calm and cool but if we are being honest with ourselves, we are NOT super human. We are allowed to be that way. But we should at least be aware of it. Also, depending on where children are in their developmental arc, the stress we deflect in their direction will have a different effect on them.

t has nothing to do with the parenting. It's totally a mental, internal thing, like narcissistic or sociopathic behavior. They can't help themselves. I know a man who has exhibited sociopathic tendencies, even though he was raised by a Godly woman who, from the comments on her recent obituary, was one of the pillars of the community she lived in most of her 94 years. Yet, he cheated on his girlfriend with multiple women and lied about and covered up his behavior for almost a decade. Again, you can't blame the parenting.

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It's NOT "totally a mental internal" thing. While it's not ALL a parenting thing, I am not willing to say parents do not have any impact on their kids and that they are "powerless to stop the inevitable rapist". That is a lie foisted on parents to take away the power they think they don't have.
The number of TRUE psychopaths is EXTRAORDINARILY LOW. And yet the number of rapes and sexual assaults is EXTREMELY high. That alone is indicative enough that there are greater issues than just "mental health".

If Brock's dad wrote a letter to a judge asking for leniency for "20 minutes of action", how could you NOT see a direct correlation between that dad's attitude on the actions of his son?

At my youth treatment centre, we have dealt with 2 sociopaths and currently have a psychopath. Our unit psychologists says that these two diagnoses are more similar than not. Luckily, one of the sociopaths was dumb as toast, which made it a mix of kinda funny for us as staff. You could watch him steal a cookie, catch him with crumbs on his face and hands and confront him and he would still deny it. It was amazing. And there was no treatment to take that away. And, surprise, surprise, 2 years later, we hear he's being held on charges of sexual assault in another group home.

All THREE of those people came from incredibly traumatic backgrounds. Research indicates a VERY STRONG correlation between those diagnoses and childhood trauma.

As a sidenote, I don't think "The Bad Seed" is based on a real life event.

PreachersWife2004 said:

Here, maybe, but the kid still has a mind of his own. If we keep saying "it's bad parenting" you're going to see more and more lenient sentences like this because "well, he didn't know any better".

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For myself, I wouldn't blame parents for the choices of their children, but it can temper our blood red hatred for someone if we remember that they were led down a path to become that way.
Bad parenting can always be a REASON....but it doesn't have to be seen as an excuse.

And on that note, for those of you curious about anti-social personality diagnoses (psychopath and sociopath) and its relationship to childhood trauma:
http://childhoodtraumarecovery.com/2013/05/11/childhood-trauma-its-relationship-to-psychopathy/
Child trauma has a PROFOUND effect on a person's ability to know how to make attachments to other people; to feel love (or companionship, or comfort); to feel empathy.


Most of this is kind of moot to the point of a rape though. Because I would guess that there are a lot of not psycho/sociopaths who are raping and assaulting.

Rambot, I can get behind that line of thinking to a certain extent. I still think people need to quit blaming everyone else and take responsibility for their actions. "I had a bad childhood" only goes so far in my mind.

PreachersWife2004 said:

... people need to quit blaming everyone else and take responsibility for their actions. "I had a bad childhood" only goes so far in my mind.

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Exactly. My brother is 46 years old, and has been out of the house since the age of 18. None of us had a "bad childhood," in fact it was idyllic compared to what most kids are experiencing today, so he can't blame that.