Science PROVES the BIBLE is True

Loudmouth · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
I could not tell you whether it is a rock or not, and neither can you unless you have actually inspected it.

If you can't show that it is actually fossilized bone, then why did you claim it was? It appears that this is yet another creationist hoax, one of many that Carl Baugh is known for.

Could you also say that man and a monkey are different. I mean you can tell by just looking a photo.

I could tell that two monkeys are different. I can tell the difference between my siblings, even though we share a common ancestor.

Commander · Jun 3, 2016

Loudmouth said:
I can cite thousands of peer reviewed geologic papers from the last 10 years that use U/Pb dating of zircons. The method has not been disproven, and it continues to be used.

Zircons came from molten lava, as already mentioned. We get our knowledge from studying zircons and the elements that make them up.

You are not understanding my question. Where did it all come from? Where do you come from? That is the whole question, that we are debating here. Going back in time there had to be a time when nothing existed, how did we get here?

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
You are not understanding my question. Where did it all come from? Where do you come from? That is the whole question, that we are debating here. Going back in time there had to be a time when nothing existed, how did we get here?

The honest response is; we dont know.

Loudmouth · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
You are not understanding my question. Where did it all come from? Where do you come from?

I come from my parents. Have you not been taught about the birds and the bees?

That is the whole question, that we are debating here.

No, it isn't the question we are debating. We don't have to know the ultimate origin of the universe in order to determine how old a rock is, how old the planet is, or the evolutionary history of a species. Do we have to know the origin of the universe in order to understand how lightning is produced in clouds?

All you are trying to do is change the topic so you don't have to answer questions about evidence.

Commander · Jun 3, 2016

Loudmouth said:
I come from my parents. Have you not been taught about the birds and the bees?

No, it isn't the question we are debating. We don't have to know the ultimate origin of the universe in order to determine how old a rock is, how old the planet is, or the evolutionary history of a species. Do we have to know the origin of the universe in order to understand how lightning is produced in clouds?

All you are trying to do is change the topic so you don't have to answer questions about evidence.

No, I'm not changing the topic. The tread is that "science proves the Bible right". That is the topic that is discussed here. There are two different points of view the creationist or the evolutionist. One is right(spiritual) and the other is wrong(carnal). "Because the carnal mind is enmity(ill will/hatred) against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be". You being an agnostic do not know whether there is a God or not, you still have not made that determination. Me being a Christian, I have made that determination. But there is hope for you " Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all(Jew and gentile[agnostic/pagan/atheist] in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all"(Romans 11:31-32). Know that God loves you and will never forsake you. Love is the evidence of God!

Loudmouth · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
No, I'm not changing the topic.

Then what does the ultimate origin of the universe have to do with a recent global flood?

There are two different points of view the creationist or the evolutionist. One is right(spiritual) and the other is wrong(carnal).

That is false. The points of view are myth (creationism) versus reality (evolution). The reality of how species came about is a question of evidence. It is not question of which religious creation myth or deity you believe in.

"Because the carnal mind is enmity(ill will/hatred) against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be". You being an agnostic do not know whether there is a God or not, you still have not made that determination. Me being a Christian, I have made that determination. But there is hope for you " Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all(Jew and gentile[agnostic/pagan/atheist] in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all"(Romans 11:31-32). Know that God loves you and will never forsake you. Love is the evidence of God!

"Because the Bible says so" is not a valid piece of evidence for Earth's history.

Commander · Jun 3, 2016

Loudmouth said:
Then what does the ultimate origin of the universe have to do with a recent global flood?
It all part of the earth's time line.

That is false. The points of view are myth (creationism) versus reality (evolution). The reality of how species came about is a question of evidence.
Please, then explain how the species came about, now you have to use the earth's time line when you do.It is not question of which religious creation myth or deity you believe in.

It is not question of which religious creation myth or deity you believe in.
It is the only question which will get you to the truth.
"Because the Bible says so" is not a valid piece of evidence for Earth's history.

It's the only true evidence for earth's history.
Did you know that dinosaur's are in the Bible? Your house is built on shifting sands, mine is on a rock.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
Is the city of Ur mentioned in the Bible- would you look at that, it is not only mentioned once, but four times in different verses of the Bible: Genesis 11:28; Genesis 11:31; Genesis 15:7, and Nehemiah 9:7, so would that not prove to the skeptics(the evolutionist) that there is Biblical evidence of Noah's flood? That the names of cities and the names of real people were true in the Bible?

That is what I say there is MORE then substantial evidence for the Bible. There is abundant overwhelming evidence to show the Bible is accurate and true. This is the way it has to be because the Bible says they are without excuse. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1 20 We hear excuses all the time but we know that: " every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” Rom 14 11

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

Loudmouth said:
Do you know what mountains are?

Actually the translaters did not seem to know what mountains are. Because the Hebrew word HAR is translated both "mountains" and "high hills".

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
It's the only true evidence for earth's history.
Did you know that dinosaur's are in the Bible? Your house is built on shifting sands, mine is on a rock.

The bible is not evidence, it is the claim.

If you have evidence to support the claims, let us know.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

Loudmouth said:
Noah's flood was supposed to be

I do not have any confusion with this issue. I do understand that you are having a difficult time understanding the Bible. Perhaps the Bible is a closed book for you. Jesus tells us: "This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving" Matt13:13.

"For this people’s heart has grown callous;they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes.Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’"

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
That is what I say there is MORE then substantial evidence for the Bible. There is abundant overwhelming evidence to show the Bible is accurate and true. This is the way it has to be because the Bible says they are without excuse. "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1 20 We hear excuses all the time but we know that: " every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” Rom 14 11

Present this evidence.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

bhsmte said:
The bible is not evidence, it is the claim.

If you have evidence to support the claims, let us know.

Paul tells us: "If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing." So this should be no surprise for us. For those who are redeemed the Bible is NOT hidden and they understand the Bible.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

bhsmte said:
Present this evidence.

You are the evidence. Your posts on this forum are the evidence. This is all a apparent as can be. There is no room for error.

Commander · Jun 3, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
Actually the translaters did not seem to know what mountains are. Because the Hebrew word HAR is translated both "mountains" and "high hills".

Yeah, God made them rise and the valley's fall after the Biblical flood, when the waters asswaged(Genesis 8:1). Ever seen a folded mountain? See-http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/natural_hazards/fold_mountains_rev1.shtml . Hard rock does not fold, it breaks, it had to be soft from water when it was raised up and folded.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

Loudmouth said:
The Harry Potter books mention London, and we know that London is real. Does that mean the Harry Potter books are real stories?

The difference is that there is nothing, absolutely nothing in the Bible that you can falsify.

bhsmte · Jun 3, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
You are the evidence. Your posts on this forum are the evidence. This is all a apparent as can be. There is no room for error.

LOL

ScottA · Jun 3, 2016

joshua 1 9 said:
There is an overwhelming amount of rock solid science that proves the Bible is accurate and true. To be sure Science is limited in what Science can do. Still there is Overwhelming Scientific Evidence for the Bible. The problem is people that are perishing do not understand the Bible. They ALWAYS get it wrong. Because they are not born again then they have NOT been renewed in their mind and the CARNAL mind simply is not able to comprehend the Bible. The Bible is SPIRITUAL NOT CARNAL. The fact that they ALWAYS get it wrong is evidence in itself. Because if you are not FOR God then you are AGAINST God. That means you are an enemy of God. I have no idea why people would want to be an enemy of the God that is powerful enough to Create the Whole Universe. That does not even make any reasonable sense. We know that "the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness". Why would they want to subject themselves to the Wrath of God? For them to say there is NO evidence is simply absurd and that is a sign their mind is not functioning right. The Bible says they have a reprobate mind. We are told that they “suppress the truth by their wickedness.”. So we see that their main objective is to suppress the truth. I am sure they get some sort of reward for their wickedness, "for a season". The Bible says the wages of sin is death. Of course they know they are going to die and perish so that is no surprise to them. Whatever pleasure or advantage they get for their wickedness now is going to be short lived. "Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season." Heb 11:24 Everyone gets to make this choice. God is willing to turn people over to a reprobate mind if that is what they want. He will not make that decision for them. This is a choice that each and every individual must make for themselves. We all make the choice: do we want a mind that is renewed in strength or do we want a reprobate mind? So even I give people huge, Huge, HUGE amounts of scientific evidence they are not able to accept or receive that evidence because of the reprobate mind they have and their propensity to suppress the truth.

Such scientific proof of the Bible is certainly possible and indeed should be reasonable among reasonable people. But two factors are against arriving at any form of consensus:

God has intended "confusion" as the order of the day. Genesis 11:7
The only tie-breaking information capable of halting the dispute - could not possibly come from within the realm of question and dispute (but must come from without).

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

Commander said:
Yeah, God made them rise and the valley's fall after the Biblical flood, when the waters asswaged(Genesis 8:1). Ever seen a folded mountain? See-http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/geography/natural_hazards/fold_mountains_rev1.shtml . Hard rock does not fold, it breaks, it had to be soft from water when it was raised up and folded.

Oh plate technotics. The Bible says that when Jesus returns "Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west". Zachariah says north and south. IF you study the Plate Technotics at the Mount of Olives you will see that both are true. There are fault lines BOTH east and west as well as north and south. The Saudi Arabis plate will be the New Jerusalem. We are told this is 1500 by 1500 miles.

Zechariah 14:4

In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.

joshua 1 9 · Jun 3, 2016

ScottA said:
Such scientific proof of the Bible is certainly possible and indeed should be reasonable among reasonable people. But two factors are against arriving at any form of consensus:

God has intended "confusion" as the order of the day. Genesis 11:7

The only tie-breaking information capable of halting the dispute - could not possibly come from within the realm of question and dispute (but must come from without).

The children of men never did, nor ever will, come all together again, till the great day, when the Son of man shall sit upon the throne of his glory, and all nations shall be gathered before him.

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