The 800 pound seagull in the room.

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Thank God for "View Image Source" huh?

Do you think I'm trying to hide where these images were taken? I chose famous ones on purpose.

That's a picture from the Idaho Statesman.A standoff concerning government overreach.

A standoff that involved white people pointing guns at cops.

This is a aerial view of the Oregon Malheur National Wildlife Refuge standoff with government officials and again concerning a different case of alleged government overreach. And prior to the killing of the man on the left, Robert "LaVoy" Finicum by an officer.

A standoff that involved white people taking over federal property, then running from and antagonizing cops.



The shooting was said to be murder because contrary to what was said, Mr.Finicum was unarmed.

Lol. No, he was not unarmed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVoy_Finicum#Aftermath_of_death

You can see that citation #29 leads to this:

http://sheriff.deschutes.org/Media/OIS-Updates/Finicum_Redacted_Web_03142016_PartII.pdf

Pg 68 describes the weapon that was found on him.


And this is reporting a white on white crime.


Nope, no bodies laying at what the Image info describes as an Asian, standing there. Sports team looser tantrum. Let's look to the soccer riots that break out around the globe. Irrelevant to the topic under discussion.

The question was "Is there a white lives matter burning down their neighborhoods?" - I was pointing out that white people riot all the time, and over far more trivial things than systemic police injustice. The Stanley Cup riots in Vancouver are one example of that.
 
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I guess you missed it. You see, I was responding to FAS. Thank you.

I saw who you were responding to. Her points are primarily based on misconceptions that have been addressed. If you think those addresses are in error, it might be worth responding to them. But we'll never get anywhere if people keep asserting, e.g., that black on black violence is ignored by black Americans as though this point has not been responded to (by multiple posters, I might add).
 
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Great meme. Though I'd edit the last part to say All lives matter.... Largely because that is absolutely true. And also because BLM stated that saying that all lives matter is racist. Just to tick them off I'd edit that . ;) Any group so depraved as to make a claim such as that, that saying all lives matter is racist, deserves to be ridiculed. And watched by federal authorities.
It's not a racist phrase. It's just silly and misses the point, entirely.

All Lives Matter implies that all lives are at equal risk in all situations and that simply is not true. Specifically if we are talking about interactions with the police.
 
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Do you think I'm trying to hide where these images were taken? I chose famous ones on purpose.
How would people know they were famous without links to the articles that supported the imagery?

They do serve a purpose though. They show that unlike what a certain movement and its supporters wish to promote, police impart justice to whites as well.
Well done. :)
 
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How would people know they were famous without links to the articles that supported the imagery?

They were all over the news and they got posted quite a lot around here when they were current.

They do serve a purpose though. They show that unlike what a certain movement and its supporters wish to promote, police impart justice to whites as well.
Well done. :)

Nice try.

In the first case (the guy on the overpass), the police walked away and basically let everybody go.

In the second case (with Finicum being shot), the police waited out the criminals for 41 days.

When was the last time you saw police walk away from a group of armed black men pointing guns at them? When was the last time you saw police spend over a month patiently waiting out a bunch of armed black men who'd seized a piece of government property?
 
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The 800 pound seagull is the number of African Americans that are killed by African Americans is 2,412.

If we were to bring to and end of all deaths of African Americans by police, there would still be 2,174 African Americans being killed by their own race.

The figures are a bit out of date, but in 2008, a report claimed 373 law enforcement officers per 100,000 citizens. Given a current US population of ~319 million, and ~4.9% of African American origin, we have:

0.00373% of the population (police) accounting for 238 deaths;
4.9% of the population (AA) accounting for 2,174 deaths

If the police percentage were scaled up to meet the African American kill rate percentage, we could expect 4.9% of the population who were police to kill 312,654 African Americans each year.

If we were to scale down the death rate of African Americans at the hands of African Americans to the actual numbers of the police, we could expect the police to kill almost 2 African Americans each a year.

The decision then is whether to reward the police for being really proactive in the field of African American death (14360% higher than non-police AA on AA deaths) or deciding that maybe there might be underlying problem that meant this wasn't as fair as you apparently thought it might be?
 
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They were all over the news and they got posted quite a lot around here when they were current.
You revived the images. Why not link the reports?



Nice try.
That gets said a lot around here apparently.

In the first case (the guy on the overpass), the police walked away and basically let everybody go.
Grand jury charges 14 more people for 2014 standoff at Bundy Ranch



In the second case (with Finicum being shot), the police waited out the criminals for 41 days.

When was the last time you saw police walk away from a group of armed black men pointing guns at them? When was the last time you saw police spend over a month patiently waiting out a bunch of armed black men who'd seized a piece of government property?
MOVE, in 1978. A police standoff that lasted almost a year and with black power militants in a Philadelphia row house.
 
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I guess you guys are just going to ignore the responses in this thread that defeat the premise of the OP?

That seems to be correct. The OP ignoring responses and posting memes seems to be the direction this thread will go in and every mention of a previous counterpoint will now be dismissed as us being "baiters." Next thread, please.
 
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The outcry about police comes from the fact that unlike black civilians, they are the ones entrusted and employed to protect the people, so when they cross that line, it is considered a much worse betrayal.

Your second part is a big reason that BLM is struggling. Many of them are just as racist as those they oppose, and their actions and attitudes are only hurting their cause.
And yet, the courts have said police do not have to protect and serve.
 
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I saw who you were responding to. Her points are primarily based on misconceptions that have been addressed. If you think those addresses are in error, it might be worth responding to them. But we'll never get anywhere if people keep asserting, e.g., that black on black violence is ignored by black Americans as though this point has not been responded to (by multiple posters, I might add).


Really? I must have missed the link to the Black Lives Matter page that shows the statistics of black on black crime. And blacks that have shot and killed police. My apologies. Be a love and link that for me so I don't have to again peruse four pages of posts where multiple posters have responded with that information expressly. Thank you. :)
 
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Really? I must have missed the link to the Black Lives Matter page that shows the statistics of black on black crime. And blacks that have shot and killed police. My apologies. Be a love and link that for me so I don't have to again peruse four pages of posts where multiple posters have responded with that information expressly. Thank you. :)

This is not a response to what I said. I don't recall mentioning BLM. Maybe you can cite the post where I did so? Thank you. :)
 
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This thread degenerated into goading and baiting and had a clean up. It is being closed as it will likely do the same if reopened.
 
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