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Hello and salaam alaikum.

I was wondering if the Muslim posters here could please address some questions I have about these verses, would be much appreciated.

6:131
This is because your Lord would not destroy the (populations of) towns for their wrong-doing (i.e. associating others in worship along with Allah) while their people were unaware (so the Messengers were sent).

11:117
And your Lord would never destroy the towns wrongfully, while their people were right-doers.

28:59
And never will your Lord destroy the towns (populations) until He sends to their mother town a Messenger reciting to them Our Verses. And never would We destroy the towns unless the people thereof are Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, oppressors and tyrants).

The verses below are from the Mohsin Khan translation. Some other translators translate them as he does (in the present), while others in the past tense, like Shakir.
Are these verses referring to past events only or also today? Do Muslims believe God still destroys communities and towns for rejecting Islam and being sinful, or did He only do this up to the time of Muhammad?

26:28,29 states:
And never did We destroy a township but it had its warners
By way of reminder, and We have never been unjust.


What does it mean "We have never been unjust"?
I also see also 11:117 that states that God would never destroy towns "wrongfully". What does this mean, and why would that be connected with "while their people were right-doers"? Is the implication that it would be unjust of God to destroy towns and villages filled with people who do the right thing?

Lastly, what is the verse below a reference to?

17:16
And when We decide to destroy a town (population), We (first) send a definite order (to obey Allah and be righteous) to those among them [or We (first) increase in number those of its population] who lead a life of luxury. Then, they transgress therein, and thus the word (of torment) is justified against it (them). Then We destroy it with complete destruction.

Sounds like before a town is destroyed, its people are warned first? Again, is this a reference to only events before the life of Muhammad or also afterwards?

Many thanks
 
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Aleykum Salam TG. No they dont say that. That doesnt mean all natural disasters are punishments of Allah. They say Allah does not destroy a town without warning it before. This happens when almost all people are wrongdoers in a city and they are well aware of Allah's orders.
 
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Aleykum Salam TG. No they dont say that. That doesnt mean all natural disasters are punishments of Allah. They say Allah does not destroy a town without warning it before. This happens when almost all people are wrongdoers in a city and they are well aware of Allah's orders.
Salaam alaikum, and thanks for the reply. When a natural disaster strikes and completely decimates a city, is it sent by Allah?
Does He send warning to people before doing that, or does He only send warning before He does it as punishment? If so, does it mean He destroys cities without warning for reasons other than punishment?
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Aleikum Salam TG. We believe everything is from Allah. However, a natural disaster doesnt have to be a punishment from Allah. It may be and it may not be. Quran says that Allah sends a warner before sending the natural disaster as a punishment. I dont know really other options.
 
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Salam anatolian, I would like to ask a question that has bothered me ever since I heard about Allah, and Mohammed.

As a Christian, I of course believe that Jesus was the Son of God and Savior of the world. The first time I had a conversaion with a Muslim, they chided me because they said, God/Allah stands alone, there is nobody that stands next to Him, He does not need a helper.

Then I started to study the Quran, and found out that Allah used Gabriel to bring His message to Mohammed. I found that Allah used Mohammed and an army to try to accomplish His conversion of the world to Allah. Before that He used Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc. to accomplish His desires.

So the question is: (and I do not mean to be rude or disrespectful to Allah) Besides creating the earth, which is no small task, what does Allah do by Himself? . It seems he always needs a helper? Has Allah ever appeared to men? If He stands alone, and does not need a helper, why not appear to Mohammed Himself? Why send Gabriel. Why not clean out the cities of the world with natural Allah caused disasters, so that men of the Quran could move in? Again, I do not mean to be rude or disrespectful to Allah, but I ask because it seems like He does need helpers to accomplish His wishes. What do you think?

Salam Peter. Thanks for your question. This has two meanings I can name. First, Allah created us men, angels, jins etc. to see if we are going to do what He wants. This is a test world. He created Gabriel and gave Him that mission of carrying the message to the Prophets to see if He is going to do it. He created you and gave you a mission and sees whether you are doing it or not. Second meaning, It is said that Allah did not throw a stone with His own "hands". Everything has been done by Allah but through the hands of others. Gabriel carried the message to Muhammed a.s. and Muhammed a.s. carried to us men in appearance but in reality Allah did these with their hands. Because Allah is the absolute reality behind everything.
 
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Salam Peter. Thanks for your question. This has two meanings I can name. First, Allah created us men, angels, jins etc. to see if we are going to do what He wants. This is a test world. He created Gabriel and gave Him that mission of carrying the message to the Prophets to see if He is going to do it. He created you and gave you a mission and sees whether you are doing it or not. Second meaning, It is said that Allah did not throw a stone with His own "hands". Everything has been done by Allah but through the hands of others. Gabriel carried the message to Muhammed a.s. and Muhammed a.s. carried to us men in appearance but in reality Allah did these with their hands. Because Allah is the absolute reality behind everything.
So I am in a good position then to say that God the Father sent Jesus to be the Savior of the world, but it was really God the Father who has absolute power and is the absolute reality behind everything, including his Son Jesus Christ? So in affect, God the Father needs no helper either. Good news. Thanks.
 
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So I am in a good position then to say that God the Father sent Jesus to be the Savior of the world, but it was really God the Father who has absolute power and is the absolute reality behind everything, including his Son Jesus Christ? So in affect, God the Father needs no helper either. Good news. Thanks.
Exectly, and this makes Jesus "nothing" :)
 
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